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Post by celticjobber on Sept 11, 2013 20:08:31 GMT -5
JR had a job to do, to lead a panel to talk about a WWE video game at a sponsored event and he didn't do it, he let it become an embarrassment to the company. There are times when stories like that are appropriate and that panel wasn't the place. It has nothing to do with it being said before or even after, it was done at the wrong time and JR and Flair are having to pay for their failures by being gone from the company. Hall of Fame speeches are filtered, and there's no way they would let it fly there if it was so wrong. And since it was ok at HoF there's no reason to say that a panel is no place for it. That's the whole point of the panel, to tell stories. The only issues I see is having Flair talk about TNA, divorces and other stuff he said. The John Cena drinking part was even within the context of the panel because he said it as a part of the answer on the question whom would he like to face at WM. Most "reports" after the panel focused on TNA and Flair talking his marriages as the things WWE was upset about. John Cena drinking story was a non issue. No one blinked, because the story was heard before.Dave Meltzer said from the beginning that the Cena drinking story was one of the things that really pissed off WWE the most. It was an event sponsored by a videogame company, so Vince probably thinks it was something meant more for kids and the outside public. And he wants them to think of Cena as a boyscout/Clark Kent type of person.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 20:13:03 GMT -5
Hall of Fame speeches are filtered, and there's no way they would let it fly there if it was so wrong. And since it was ok at HoF there's no reason to say that a panel is no place for it. That's the whole point of the panel, to tell stories. The only issues I see is having Flair talk about TNA, divorces and other stuff he said. The John Cena drinking part was even within the context of the panel because he said it as a part of the answer on the question whom would he like to face at WM. Most "reports" after the panel focused on TNA and Flair talking his marriages as the things WWE was upset about. John Cena drinking story was a non issue. No one blinked, because the story was heard before.Dave Meltzer said from the beginning that the Cena drinking story was one of the things that really pissed off WWE the most. It was an event sponsored by a videogame company, so Vince probably thinks it was something meant more for kids and the outside public. And he wants them to think of Cena as a boyscout/Clark Kent type of person. Oh... I hope no one watched that episode of Total Divas where Nikki gave John wood.
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Post by darthpipes on Sept 11, 2013 20:17:50 GMT -5
Thanks for the memories, JR. Best of luck to you and enjoy your retirement.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Sept 11, 2013 20:24:51 GMT -5
Dave Meltzer said from the beginning that the Cena drinking story was one of the things that really pissed off WWE the most. It was an event sponsored by a videogame company, so Vince probably thinks it was something meant more for kids and the outside public. And he wants them to think of Cena as a boyscout/Clark Kent type of person. Oh... I hope no one watched that episode of Total Divas where Nikki gave John wood. Total Divas and the HOF are WWE funded events. This was a panel for ANOTHER COMPANY'S PRODUCT. I think that's the point you're missing. It was 2k's show, not the WWE. They were just the attraction.
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Post by rybackrulez on Sept 11, 2013 20:36:32 GMT -5
The last thing he did was that 2K14 panel. What a way to go. His whole demeanor was lol Plus he said "i don't give a shit"
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Sept 11, 2013 20:46:08 GMT -5
Oh... I hope no one watched that episode of Total Divas where Nikki gave John wood. Total Divas and the HOF are WWE funded events. This was a panel for ANOTHER COMPANY'S PRODUCT. I think that's the point you're missing. It was 2k's show, not the WWE. They were just the attraction. 2K had no problem with how their show went down.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Sept 11, 2013 20:55:33 GMT -5
But this was an official WWE Event. So is HoF. What pretty much no one knows is that Flair mentioned Chris Benoit in his Hall of Fame speech twice and they edited the DVD to remove these mentions
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Sept 11, 2013 20:56:59 GMT -5
The lengths WWE will go to maintain Cena's contrived image is hilarious. Dude's a real human being. And the funny thing is, I think he might be more popular with those who have actual disposable incomes if this side of him was played up more: Regular, fun dude. Not just unrelatable milquetoast superhero. The average age median of WWE is like 37 or 38 after all. Kids aren't even their main demo (despite their efforts). Who cares if he drank with Flair.
That said, it's a shame JR is gone. He's still the best there is.
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Post by rybackrulez on Sept 11, 2013 21:00:26 GMT -5
Total Divas and the HOF are WWE funded events. This was a panel for ANOTHER COMPANY'S PRODUCT. I think that's the point you're missing. It was 2k's show, not the WWE. They were just the attraction. 2K had no problem with how their show went down. 2k would not as it creates buzz, wwe would because it hurts their pr lol. That is why Ziggler and Bryan just turtles up
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Sept 11, 2013 21:09:22 GMT -5
So, bets on how fast Jack Swagger vanishes from TV?
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Sept 11, 2013 21:09:57 GMT -5
Who will shill the WWE line on twitter now?!
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Post by Burst on Sept 11, 2013 21:13:29 GMT -5
WWE seems oddly obsessed with having people fall on their swords to save face nowadays, as if there's no other method of saving face they can think of. That's Finlay, Daniel Bryan, Goldust, and now JR in the past three years.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Sept 11, 2013 21:47:56 GMT -5
Just listened to the podcast on F4W.
WWE were really upset about the Ric Flair/Reid story actually, which was strange. Alvarez went off on WWE for expecting someone to intervene for something like that, since it would've made it worse. Meltzer knew something was going down with it as early as this past weekend. He thought it would've been one of those things where they talked a lot but wouldn't do anything about it. Then they mentioned JR talking about loving his role with no plans to retire as of only a few weeks ago.
This was definitely a forced retirement. Since everyone is learning this by now, they might as well work it into the Corporation storyline. It'd fit like a glove, AND it would give Vince an opportunity to pour BBQ sauce on him on-air again.
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Post by celticjobber on Sept 11, 2013 22:28:26 GMT -5
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Post by Kev The Omniscient on Sept 12, 2013 1:29:58 GMT -5
I don't believe Ross' retirement. Remember the last time someone in the WWE said that they were going to retire?
Yup, you heard it here first, folks: JR wants a WWE Championship match.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2013 1:36:30 GMT -5
WWE seems oddly obsessed with having people fall on their swords to save face nowadays, as if there's no other method of saving face they can think of. That's Finlay, Daniel Bryan, Goldust, and now JR in the past three years. Tell me about it. Jericho got off light being suspended over... whatever that stupidity was. It was so minor I don't even remember the specifics. Kicking a flag or something?
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Post by BigWill on Sept 12, 2013 1:53:02 GMT -5
Vince likely doesn't see much worth in JR these days, which is why it's so easy for him to use JR as a scapegoat for the Ric Flair incident.
If it had been someone like say Michael Cole that been responsible for the event, I guarantee he wouldn't be coming out, announcing his sudden "retirement".
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Post by ________ has left the building on Sept 12, 2013 1:54:50 GMT -5
While 2K Sports might had been cool with that disastrous panel (Probably happy only one person was drunk since they deal with athletes on a regular basis. Plus has 2K mentioned anything publicly about the event? So far it's hearsay on their position.), WWE has many other sponsors to think of. JR has been for the last few years hit and miss. Some moments he reminds you why you grew to love him. Next, he's showing his age and coming off like Grandpa Simpson. His overall role been downgraded to the point of his job position was just to keep him around. He was going through the motions on things that he didn't like. Micheal Cole has taken over his role as the voice of WWE. His dream project, the Mid-South library and dvd, has come to fruition. He got a gig covering Oklahoma football. With his retiring/firing/taking Old Yeller behind the bar, he's free to pursue other things free from the WWE umbrella. Plus his legend can grow to new heights since he will be remembered fondly for his body of work instead of being like Jerry Lawler, whose every week is losing his fanfare.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Sept 12, 2013 2:01:39 GMT -5
WWE seems oddly obsessed with having people fall on their swords to save face nowadays, as if there's no other method of saving face they can think of. That's Finlay, Daniel Bryan, Goldust, and now JR in the past three years. Tell me about it. Jericho got off light being suspended over... whatever that stupidity was. It was so minor I don't even remember the specifics. Kicking a flag or something? He kicked the Brazilian flag. While he got great heel heat doing that, he broke Brazilian law of desecrating their flag. An offense that is jail worthy.
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Sept 12, 2013 3:08:39 GMT -5
Amazingly enough, JR won the WON's Best TV Announcer for 2012.
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