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Post by KofiMania on Sept 17, 2013 13:17:44 GMT -5
Yea, how has everyone in this thread missed this point??? Not really missed the point. Show could have said to hell with the job and helped Rhodes fight off Shield. Instead he put himself first, and punched Dusty in the face. Maybe he can sleep at night because he can say he was the lesser of two evils, but that's bullshit. To me, he's absolutely a heel at this point. If to you he's a heel then you are missing the point. And he wouldn't be able to fight off the Shield with all 3 of them holding chairs, so it would have ended with Dusty getting beat down with the chairs anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2013 13:21:08 GMT -5
Not really missed the point. Show could have said to hell with the job and helped Rhodes fight off Shield. Instead he put himself first, and punched Dusty in the face. Maybe he can sleep at night because he can say he was the lesser of two evils, but that's bullshit. To me, he's absolutely a heel at this point. He didn't put himself first, he put his family first. The crux of his emotional plight is that being a big man who's only career has been wrestling, he won't be able to find another job, or not one that could pay-off the monetary problems his wife and children face. His family are basically hostages in an emotional blackmail kind of way. Which goes back to the weakness of the entire storyline as the Big Show could just go to Japan like Brock did when he was locked into that 10 year deal and couldn't get out of it. Not to mention that suddenly the mid-card isn't afraid of the consequences(I guess that they don't have families or bills) but the Big Show is still moping around all "woe is me." It requires a huge suspension of disbelief, even by wrestling standards.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 17, 2013 14:08:55 GMT -5
I'd rather see someone else doing this angle.
It's hard for me to think that Big Show is going to have trouble finding work. He's a big name, and as such, even the most bush league, ghetto indy fed will pay a shit ton of cash for him. I can see a young lower carder getting turned into a bitch and crying for their job because they don't have that kind of leverage, but it just doesn't work for Show. Show is one of the biggest names in wrestling and he's a borderline celebrity who has had bit parts in mainstream movies. So it's not like he doesn't have options.
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Post by Abdullah on Sept 17, 2013 14:14:20 GMT -5
I'd rather see someone else doing this angle. It's hard for me to think that Big Show is going to have trouble finding work. He's a big name, and as such, even the most bush league, ghetto indy fed will pay a shit ton of cash for him. I can see a young lower carder getting turned into a bitch and crying for their job because they don't have that kind of leverage, but it just doesn't work for Show. Show is one of the biggest names in wrestling and he's a borderline celebrity who has had bit parts in mainstream movies. So it's not like he doesn't have options. I think the calculation is that Big Show is more intimidating force to have in the Corporation's pocket than Ryder or even a bigger guy like Brodus. I wouldn't find any suspense in those guys being forced to knock out Dusty or being forced to wrestle Bryan. I don't think the crowd would either. Of course it could work, but Show is just easier and more reliable as a performer. I say that as someone who is bored of Show's segments but I can understand the rationale behind it.
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Sept 17, 2013 14:23:17 GMT -5
He didn't put himself first, he put his family first. The crux of his emotional plight is that being a big man who's only career has been wrestling, he won't be able to find another job, or not one that could pay-off the monetary problems his wife and children face. His family are basically hostages in an emotional blackmail kind of way. Which goes back to the weakness of the entire storyline as the Big Show could just go to Japan like Brock did when he was locked into that 10 year deal and couldn't get out of it. Not to mention that suddenly the mid-card isn't afraid of the consequences(I guess that they don't have families or bills) but the Big Show is still moping around all "woe is me." It requires a huge suspension of disbelief, even by wrestling standards. In the storyline, WWE is the only place to make the kind of money he needs. You gotta think of the WWE as its own enclosed universe. Remember, the storyline is entertainment, not real life. The suspension of disbelief isn't as hard as it appears you want to make it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2013 14:35:32 GMT -5
Which goes back to the weakness of the entire storyline as the Big Show could just go to Japan like Brock did when he was locked into that 10 year deal and couldn't get out of it. Not to mention that suddenly the mid-card isn't afraid of the consequences(I guess that they don't have families or bills) but the Big Show is still moping around all "woe is me." It requires a huge suspension of disbelief, even by wrestling standards. In the storyline, WWE is the only place to make the kind of money he needs. You gotta think of the WWE as its own enclosed universe. Remember, the storyline is entertainment, not real life. The suspension of disbelief isn't as hard as it appears you want to make it. Fair enough, but I still say that going to Japan is a possibility in WWE canon once Punk brought it up in the pipebomb. Not to mention the huge suspension of disbelief of being blackmailed weekly on TV and having to beat people up to keep his job. I know, it's entertainment and all of that but that stuff is ridiculous, especially when one considers that people have brought/threatened to bring lawsuits for lesser things on WWE TV before. It's just silly all the way around.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Sept 17, 2013 14:47:49 GMT -5
Not really missed the point. Show could have said to hell with the job and helped Rhodes fight off Shield. Instead he put himself first, and punched Dusty in the face. Maybe he can sleep at night because he can say he was the lesser of two evils, but that's bullshit. To me, he's absolutely a heel at this point. If to you he's a heel then you are missing the point. And he wouldn't be able to fight off the Shield with all 3 of them holding chairs, so it would have ended with Dusty getting beat down with the chairs anyway. Big Show couldn't try to fight off the Shield. He has a punch that can put people in comas, but yet has no chance against the Shield. Or maybe he just likes Bed Bath and Beyond coupons.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Sept 17, 2013 14:52:18 GMT -5
Which goes back to the weakness of the entire storyline as the Big Show could just go to Japan like Brock did when he was locked into that 10 year deal and couldn't get out of it. Not to mention that suddenly the mid-card isn't afraid of the consequences(I guess that they don't have families or bills) but the Big Show is still moping around all "woe is me." It requires a huge suspension of disbelief, even by wrestling standards. In the storyline, WWE is the only place to make the kind of money he needs. You gotta think of the WWE as its own enclosed universe. Remember, the storyline is entertainment, not real life. The suspension of disbelief isn't as hard as it appears you want to make it. However, they have acknowledged that lawsuits are a thing in-universe, as well as concern for safety while working. Things like lawsuits being commonplace in the WWE fictional world in addition to the entire roster walking out on Triple H just because they didn't think he was doing his job right but bizarrely taking four weeks to do something when he was openly evil seems a bit off within the boundaries of the story they are trying to tell. So to believe that Show can only make money in the WWE and that it didn't even occur to him that he can sue HHH for that is a bit...weird. I mean I can roll with it because, hell, why not? It's looping all the way back to funny. But there are some issues with their narrative.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2013 15:18:04 GMT -5
In the storyline, WWE is the only place to make the kind of money he needs. You gotta think of the WWE as its own enclosed universe. Remember, the storyline is entertainment, not real life. The suspension of disbelief isn't as hard as it appears you want to make it. Fair enough, but I still say that going to Japan is a possibility in WWE canon once Punk brought it up in the pipebomb. Not to mention the huge suspension of disbelief of being blackmailed weekly on TV and having to beat people up to keep his job. I know, it's entertainment and all of that but that stuff is ridiculous, especially when one considers that people have brought/threatened to bring lawsuits for lesser things on WWE TV before. It's just silly all the way around. The storyline is a stretch but I have no trouble buying into the WWE's mythology that WWE is the only place to make a great living in wrestling. CM Punk and Daniel Bryan both talk about wrestling for the independents or elsewhere as a means of saying that they're following their passion in spite of getting WWE money. Obviously Show can make money elsewhere but not the kind of money he needs. I can buy into that premise easily, it's the faux iron clad contract and Big Show's bankruptcy in general that's hard to take.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Sept 17, 2013 15:32:43 GMT -5
One could easily argue that Big Show, not being the brightest bulb in kayfabe, doesn't realize he has more options and Stephanie is playing him like a cello to get him to do what she wants. She may be using the friendship they sparked up back in 1999 as an emotional pull to sell him the (false) narrative that WWE is all he has for his family to eat.
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Post by kamero00 on Sept 17, 2013 15:35:55 GMT -5
Every time he cries, it just become more funny to me
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Post by Grand Papillon "The Banker" on Sept 17, 2013 17:17:41 GMT -5
If the story leads to Big Show eventually having enough, making a stand, and turning on the Corporation, I hate this whole thing. As many on here have stated, he's just being selfish and naive.
If the storyline leads to the Big Show finally embracing doing dirty work and going out of his way to do more and more damage even when Stephanie isn't ordering him to which leads to him becoming an unpredictable unfeeling monster heel who Stephanie created but can no longer control, it works.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2013 17:22:09 GMT -5
I can't stand him. Every time I see him crying again I just want to punch him in the face.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Sept 17, 2013 17:27:50 GMT -5
If he'd been the first one to turn on Orton and the Corporation, it would've felt like a huge triumphant babyface moment. But as weeks go by and the other babyfaces already put their jobs on the line to side with Bryan and Big Show just keeps crying and crying and crying and crying and crying and crying and crying and crying and crying and crying and crying and crying and crying and crying and crying and crying and crying and crying and crying and crying and crying and crying and crying and crying and crying and crying and crying he looks increasingly pathetic.
But in a hilarious way.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2013 17:48:51 GMT -5
Money over errthang.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2013 19:37:55 GMT -5
The only way it manages to be compelling is that it is SO absurd that I can see Big Show growing a pair and refusing to do their bidding at any point now. So, each segment does have hope in a way. But yeah, Big Show crying and punching Dusty was so stupid. I don't feel bad for you because you don't want to do anything but get paid a million dollars a year and be on TV, or that you spent all of your millions over the years on hamburgers or whatever. Here's what I don't get: why doesn't someone like Bryan, Miz, or Ziggler just take him out? I know he's big, but a good shot with a chair to the knee will take him down. Then, you can brake his foot or leg. Suddenly, Triple H has lost a big weapon. I now want Big Show to get Nancy Kerrigan'd so badly. WHYYY WHYYY WHYYYYYY
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Sept 17, 2013 20:59:15 GMT -5
Does general apathy towards a stupid angle like this count having no sympathy towards him.
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Post by Old Jack Burton on Sept 17, 2013 21:35:06 GMT -5
Not only is the story not believable to me but I'm kinda tired of Big Show crying. I think it's kind of careless booking too because it's gonna be obvious to any working adult who is aware of things like labor laws that what their watching clearly isn't real. I know plenty of stuff happens all the time that wouldn't happen in real life, but the contract stuff is a "zipper on the monster costume" type thing in my opinion. The suspension of disbelief is getting paper thin with this story right now. It's to the point that the only real way to save this story is to take it in the legal direction and have someone just threaten to call the cops.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Sept 18, 2013 8:16:02 GMT -5
I have had 0 sympathy for Big Show since his days as the Giant. Yeah, the guy fell off a building and survived! No way he should be a little bitch now.
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Sept 18, 2013 10:18:52 GMT -5
He didn't put himself first, he put his family first. The crux of his emotional plight is that being a big man who's only career has been wrestling, he won't be able to find another job, or not one that could pay-off the monetary problems his wife and children face. His family are basically hostages in an emotional blackmail kind of way. Which goes back to the weakness of the entire storyline as the Big Show could just go to Japan like Brock did when he was locked into that 10 year deal and couldn't get out of it. Not to mention that suddenly the mid-card isn't afraid of the consequences(I guess that they don't have families or bills) but the Big Show is still moping around all "woe is me." It requires a huge suspension of disbelief, even by wrestling standards. Or, ya know... Show could get a "normal" job like Shane Douglas, Justin Credible, or Bob Backlund.
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