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Post by woowoowoox on Sept 29, 2013 13:33:06 GMT -5
They look way better and more effective than a chairshot to the back but I don't think they should start doing them again either.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 29, 2013 13:34:29 GMT -5
I was watching Austin/Dude Love at Over The Edge and Austin blades at one point. It seems absolutely pointless, I've realised in hindsight. It added nothing. Every main event at that time seemed to have blading for no reason.
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Sept 29, 2013 14:08:12 GMT -5
No to unprotected headshots, but protected should be brought back more often than it is now. Chairshots to the back usually end up looking really awkward.
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Post by Essential1 on Sept 29, 2013 15:08:50 GMT -5
I miss protected chair shots. The crazy unprotected ones were cool but dangerous. Nothing worse though than the shots to the back. It's regression.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2013 15:39:50 GMT -5
It's pointless. The whole art of wrestling is to make this shit look brutal for the audience but the workers are well protected. Plus these guys travel on the road 300 days a year often sleeping on uncomfy airplane seats, hotel beds, or rent a car seats and work hurt for years.
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Post by Straight Edge Scrotum on Sept 29, 2013 15:45:41 GMT -5
The Rock trying to straight up murder Foley with those chairshots is one of my fondest memories as a wrestling fan.
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Post by 2 Cold Scorkum on Sept 29, 2013 16:02:58 GMT -5
as a wrestling fan i want full blood satisfaction
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Post by weaselboy on Sept 29, 2013 16:22:34 GMT -5
I remember an interview with Jerry Lynn where he made the point that he used to get stick in the ECW locker-room because he put up his hands whenever he took a chair-shot. To which he made the point "what would you do if someone swung an object at your head in a bar-fight". Of course you'd throw up your hands.
I remember New Jack talking about Chris Benoit and repeatedly making the point that Benoit threw up his hands whenever he took a chair-shot. Yep thats right, a child died and all New Jack can do is turn it into another opportunity to talk about how he's the ACTUAL best at taking ridiculous weapons shots. I guess when that's all your skill-set has you've got to protect it.
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Post by Lazy peon on Sept 29, 2013 16:45:08 GMT -5
to the SKULL
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Post by 543Y2J on Sept 29, 2013 17:16:44 GMT -5
No to unprotected headshots, but I'd like to see the chairshots with the hands in the way return. They can be done safely, and if used sparingly they would make a much bigger impact than: 1. Kick/chair in the gut 2. Opponent bends over 3. Chairshot to back This, I hate the 3 step avoiding head chair attack. It's so awkward, plus I feel chair shots to the head looked much better, selling and dramatically wise. Exactly, they can be done safely and if they were to be brought back they should do a weekend seminar for the whole roster both developmental/main on how it is done properly/safely by getting their hands up. Even then, if they were to bring it back, I would still use it sparingly and not go overboard on it. Maybe alter the design and material used for the chairs as well. There are ways around it. I just hate how awkward the avoiding head chair shots are. I never want to see this again...ever but these are ok there have been different one's over the years. There are ways of safely getting your arms up to take most of the impact, and not going insane like the Rock/Mankind one's which should never be done again.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2013 17:17:48 GMT -5
no headshots needed for me, though a protected one like the triple h/undertaker wm27 match is okay once in a blue moon in the right situation. i'd rather them ditch the "shot to the gut, shot to the back" combo though, beceause everyone does it and to me it calls attention to the fact that they can't do the headshot that would be the most logical in that instance. i think they could be a little more creative in that regard, and not have the same set up all the time.
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Post by rybackrulez on Sept 29, 2013 17:22:23 GMT -5
What we need to remember is just because someone hasn't murdered other people doesn't mean they have no damage from a shot. A lot of these things are insidious and don't show up until later in life due to damage to memory centers and things like that. Arguing that someone isn't Chris Benoit and thus has no ill effects is faulty reasoning. Without having prolonged contact, we don't know how any of these people have been affected. As for blood, I think it should be allowed when it's organic. I don't think blade jobs should come back, but if someone gets busted hardway I don't think they should stop the match to treat it. That is how blood is done nowadays. Hardway or no way. Blood doesn't add much, and people see boxers not bleed after taking multiple clean shots to the face. Hardway blood is cooler to me anyways.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2013 17:23:10 GMT -5
The Rock trying to straight up murder Foley with those chairshots is one of my fondest memories as a wrestling fan. seeing as rock legit went over the line of what was discussed beforehand, and knowing the problems mick has now, you're a f***ing asshole.
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Post by Ecks Ecks Ringout Ecks Ecks on Sept 29, 2013 17:24:31 GMT -5
I like it the way it is now; protected chairshots to the head used in big matches/important angles. My thoughts exactly.
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Sept 29, 2013 17:33:02 GMT -5
Done a certain way, chairshots to the back look just as lethal as unprotected chairshots to the head. Watching Austin decimate Lita with a chair or Triple H pound the Undertaker in the mat with a chair while yelling at him to stay down are as effective as when the Rock obliterated Mick Foley's brain or when Vince McMahon had his piehole creamed with a snowshovel.
EDIT: Which is to say, I could really, really do without ever having seen unprotected attacks against the face/head again. Thinking about that sick thud when Ken Shamrock took a chair to the face still makes my toes curl.
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Post by EyeofTyr on Sept 29, 2013 17:35:52 GMT -5
Unprotected head shots are stupid, plain and simple.
There are guys like Nigel McGuinness/Desmond Wolfe who did them, amongst other things, and now confess that they regret it for what they know it's actively done to their mind. Mick Foley's another that's occasionally expressed regret for what he's done to himself. And, Nigel, along with others, are only now studying and scratching the surface of what this has done to them, and many like them, and what the long term effects will be.
An occasional protected head shot to put over a big angle, maybe. But overall I'd rather a wrestler be able to remember everything a normal human being can when they're older or be able to talk as sharp witted as they used to than give me one fleeting moment of brutality.
I feel the same about blading and applaud guys like Alex Shelley, who refuse to do it and if they bleed, it's only going to be through the hard way. Because they don't want to do something archaic and that will leave their foreheads looking like slices of roast beef in about twenty years.
Truthfully, I'm a little disappointed and disgusted at the people in here demanding they come back full force.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2013 17:52:13 GMT -5
As a fan.......I do not care.
Stiff chairshots can be fun, but they're hardly necessary.
There are an infinite amount of ways they can achieve the desired effect without going there, but if they choose to, that's their business.
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Post by Emmet Russell on Sept 29, 2013 18:39:43 GMT -5
Nah, f*** that. I think chairshots to the head in wrestling still have a purpose as long as it's happening in an important match/angle and the guy taking the shot puts their hands up. Unprotected chairshots though...nah, I don't need to see any more of those. Most certainly this. Just how I feel blood should be used in a personal "blood feud", it makes sense when you have a heated rival that you want to hurt them & hitting someone in the gut & back instead of the head makes no sense when you have a weapon. They - & blood - should be used when you feud calls for it.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Sept 29, 2013 21:28:36 GMT -5
Get your hand up and it's fine. You can't tell me a protected chair shot is more likely to cause a concussion then a superplex and that crashing to the mat.
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Post by Straight Edge Scrotum on Sept 29, 2013 22:14:36 GMT -5
The Rock trying to straight up murder Foley with those chairshots is one of my fondest memories as a wrestling fan. seeing as rock legit went over the line of what was discussed beforehand, and knowing the problems mick has now, you're a f***ing asshole. Yep. Proud of it, too.
But seeing as how Foley didn't seem pissed at Rock after the fact, then I don't see any reason to hate on it. It was an awesome moment to see and it's part of the reason Foley is remembered the way he is. That's the kinda stuff he did.
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