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Post by Chip on Sept 29, 2013 22:22:01 GMT -5
Protected chair shots would be great if done in moderation, they are so rare now that looking back at old footage makes chair shots look f***ing brutal. Much like how blood seen in todays product is quite the shock, the same could be done for chair shots. Hell keep the gut-to-back shot for the babyfaces and make a swing for the face a heel shtick.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Sept 29, 2013 22:23:47 GMT -5
It depends on how you do it. If you have people try unsuccessfully to chair shot someone and have them get fined/suspended as well as have the entire roster go off on them for it. That way, in the future even trying it will establish someone as lowest of the low. Actually doing it will be next-level evil.
If you do it, however, unprotected head shots and multiple head shots are unacceptable. The person receiving it should also "fail" a follow-up physical and ensure that they not follow up a potential mild concussion with any other head blows by accident.
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Post by nate5054 on Sept 29, 2013 22:29:41 GMT -5
Maybe a once in a year protected head shot is ok, but honestly, I wouldn't care if they were done away with altogether. Anyways I agree with a (at least one above my post, if not more) that a back shot looks just as bad when done right.
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Post by mizerable on Sept 29, 2013 22:43:00 GMT -5
I think if you're going to introduce a chair to the match, you have to have a reason to bring it in, which would be to "murder" the guy you're facing. In that sense, I think you need to have chairshots to the head (protected) or stop introducing chairs. You have the protected shots when the opponent is on his feet and you have the one man conchairto when he's on the ground, which is also easily protected.
Any weapons in general are dangerous. Seeing how a table can splinter and downright injure someone seriously, it's just waiting to happen again. I still remember the brutal Holly incident.
And just about any suplex if not taken perfectly, the brunt of the force is going to effect the back of the head and the neck, especially German suplexes.
Moderation. Break out the dangerous spots on PPV. Break out the blood on PPV. Break out the weapon spots on PPV. If you want the risk of brutality, you're going to have to pay for it.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Sept 30, 2013 1:49:10 GMT -5
I voted bring them back... because surely there is a way to do it safely.
Maybe have the "chairs" made out of a very flimsy, lightweight metal that looks good but doesn't hurt at all (Like thin aluminium used to make drink cans or something). That way, they can have the chair spots without the risk of head injuries.
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Post by Chip on Sept 30, 2013 1:57:58 GMT -5
I voted bring them back... because surely there is a way to do it safely. Maybe have the "chairs" made out of a very flimsy, lightweight metal that looks good but doesn't hurt at all (Like thin aluminium used to make drink cans or something). That way, they can have the chair spots without the risk of head injuries. I have thought about this in the past, I mean, a lot of people believe they use fake chairs, ladders, tables, etc. anyway so why not just manufacture some gimmicked ones. I'm sure Hollywood cranks out a similar concept for movies as it is.
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Sept 30, 2013 3:20:05 GMT -5
I don't mind seeing a safe protected chair shot in a big match/angle but having unprotected ones would be just flat out stupid and lets be honest I'm not really missing them as from the attitude era until the start of the PG rating along with blade jobs they were way overused.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Sept 30, 2013 9:20:36 GMT -5
if it's PROTECTED and only done once in a blue moon I'm fine. but I never want to see a return to the kind of tough-guy bullshit that made Chris Benoit lose his marbles. I remember a couple years back in TNA Rob Terry took an unprotected shot and it just made TNA look really careless about the health of their employees. in this day and age we know way too much about concussions and post-concussion syndrome to think it's okay for a guy in what's essentially a stunt-show to do something we know damn well could really hurt him long-term.
blade-jobs on the other hand, I have no problem with returning, as long as it's only in really big matches and never over-done. we don't need anyone else to be like Ric Flair where he does it every damn match.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 30, 2013 9:30:07 GMT -5
Unprotected shots to the head are dumb, and there's no real defensible rationale for a dude to take one in a post concussion awareness world.
Protected shots? On rare occasions where it'll actually mean something, that I could see.
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Post by gnr123 on Sept 30, 2013 12:31:49 GMT -5
If it's a protected shot to the head and it's in a big angle, than I can see one happening. But a unprotected chair shot in the concussion awareness world is just stupid and shouldn't be done in any company. The chair shot in the Undertaker/Triple H match at WM 27 made sense because Triple H was doing anything to put away Taker. It had a place in that match. I can be rarely done if it means something.
As far as blading, I'm glad to see it gone. I think the wrestling fans got spoiled during the Attitude Era with the blading that it became almost like a necessity in a match or angle. Nearly every big match people were busted open. I think by taking it away it leaves it makes it a big moment when WWE does decide to use it again, even for one angle. That's what WWE is doing, their keeping stuff like blading and chair shots to the head away so that if it does happen again it'll be a big shock to the fans.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Oct 1, 2013 0:18:18 GMT -5
I voted bring them back... because surely there is a way to do it safely. Maybe have the "chairs" made out of a very flimsy, lightweight metal that looks good but doesn't hurt at all (Like thin aluminium used to make drink cans or something). That way, they can have the chair spots without the risk of head injuries. Chairs made out of aluminum would both be horribly expensive and would probably hurt a hell of a lot more than a slightly heavier chair made out of cheap steel. That is because an aluminum would have no give to it whatsoever. Sure, it would be light but it would absorb next to none of the energy of a blow (think about aluminum bats).
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Post by Jimichiro Likes Erick Rowan on Oct 1, 2013 3:02:05 GMT -5
I have mixed feelings. A straight up unprotected chair shot to a guy who deserves it (in kayfabe) can be one of the coolest visuals in wrestling. But we can't unlearn what we now know about concussions and head trauma. It's not worth the price IMO.
Maybe I sound barbaric, but I would like to see chair shots to the head again. But only in the rarest of the rare occasions. A chairshot to the head should be lumped into the same category as the Piledriver, where it's perceived as attempted murder practically and even the worst of heels wouldn't do it.
But I wouldn't have a problem of having them be used more often if the chairs were gimmicked. Didn't Steve Corino get some flack a couple years ago for taking an unprotected chairshot but he said he knew some secret that made it safe? Can anyone elaborate on that whether he was onto something or he was just blowing smoke?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2013 4:07:00 GMT -5
It's so weird how we talk about a "post concussion" world. Like, we all just came to the realization hitting each other in the face with hard metal objects would lead to brain trauma. I'm not making fun of people, because I do it too, but it's weird how we just didn't think much about it before. I think Chris Nowinski is going to end up having a huge positive impact in sport.
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Post by CM Parish on Oct 1, 2013 7:06:45 GMT -5
seeing as rock legit went over the line of what was discussed beforehand, and knowing the problems mick has now, you're a f***ing asshole. Yep. Proud of it, too.
But seeing as how Foley didn't seem pissed at Rock after the fact, then I don't see any reason to hate on it. It was an awesome moment to see and it's part of the reason Foley is remembered the way he is. That's the kinda stuff he did.He was pissed about it, read his book.
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