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Post by sabuicide on Sept 29, 2013 10:39:44 GMT -5
So I'm watching some random Undertaker DVD on Netflix last night, and I notice something. He took a lot of shots to the head. Then I got to thinking. The Rock, HHH, Shamrock, Lesnar, HBK, everyone from the era of the unprotected head shot took a LOT of shots to the head. Yet, how many of those have mental issues? How many of those went on to kill their families?
I know that it's not the safest thing to do, but when looking at it that way doesn't it seem like the whole "PROTECT YOUR HEAD AND NOTHING TO THE HEAD" thing was a bit....over reacting?
Thoughts?
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Post by Germansuplex on Sept 29, 2013 10:43:32 GMT -5
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Sept 29, 2013 10:45:19 GMT -5
Nah, f*** that. I think chairshots to the head in wrestling still have a purpose as long as it's happening in an important match/angle and the guy taking the shot puts their hands up. Unprotected chairshots though...nah, I don't need to see any more of those.
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Post by Sumbody Gon' Get Dey Kneelift on Sept 29, 2013 10:49:02 GMT -5
I like it the way it is now; protected chairshots to the head used in big matches/important angles.
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Post by The Scuba Guy on Sept 29, 2013 10:50:17 GMT -5
Todd.
Honestly, I don't even pick up on these things. If you told me that no one's been hit with an unprotected chair shot in 5 years, I'd be like 'oh, I haven't even noticed.'
Because I haven't.
That being said, they aren't needed. They're unsafe. I'm fine with no company doing them ever again.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 29, 2013 10:51:53 GMT -5
Yeah only one suicidal murderer, no big deal amirite?
I think that a very rare chair to the head, once in a while, with people getting their hands up to protect would be okayish. But no promotion should ever be asking their workers to take a shot to the head. It should only ever be the talent's call.
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Post by 2 Cold Scorkum on Sept 29, 2013 10:52:27 GMT -5
ya they should bring them back not dumb stupid pg john cena era THUMBS UP IF U AGREE
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Post by sabuicide on Sept 29, 2013 11:01:02 GMT -5
ya they should bring them back not dumb stupid pg john cena era THUMBS UP IF U AGREE I'm not saying make it an occurrence all the time. But if you have a blood feud (oh wait, that's gone too), then I think vicious chair shot per year isn't that big of a deal.
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 29, 2013 11:09:02 GMT -5
Always hated it.
It's wrestling, not weapons fighting.
If a chairshot HAS to be used, hitting the back suffices.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2013 11:16:35 GMT -5
Nope. Unprotected chairshots are pointless when one considers that the same effect can be had with a protected chairshot. The main reasons that they were so prevalent back then were because it was the era of XTREME sports, Jackass, and guys wanted to prove how tough that they were. I fully suspect that a guy like Foley will have some serious effects in the near future.
I'm against blood in wrestling as well, with all of the serious diseases that can result from exposure it's not worth it for someone to bleed for the sake of a wrestling match/angle.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2013 11:18:47 GMT -5
If you take a look at just the WWF/E then you have people like Foley who have written about feeling like they exist in perma-post-concussion land due to that era too.
There may "only" be one Benoit, but there are tons of guys who will have taken serious damage from them, most we won't know about due to it being a pretty unpopular thing to admit to being hurt around that time. I mean, how many times did you see Kurt Angle/Benoit/others have match after match when clearly hurt? Weapon shots contributed to that far too regularly.
Chair shots to the head can have a time and a place, so can intense matches, but the fact we see them so rarely now means they have greater impact. Remember when people were going insane as Brock Lesnar laid those elbows into Cena's head at Extreme Rules? Brock also had a wonderfully savage bout with Punk at Summerslam a few months back. How about the wonderful story told in the match between Del Rio & Ziggler as Del Rio refused to stop kicking Dolph in the head? Those things still exist, but the less frequent nature makes them more effective to me.
Just like how we still react when 'Taker takes protected chairshots to the head at 'Mania, it works. Less is more.
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Post by mizerable on Sept 29, 2013 11:18:59 GMT -5
I think they make sense in the way you have a brutal feud between 2 rivals and someone takes it to that level. I'm not saying that headshots should be commonplace, but maybe just brought out every so often. Not only that, but there's always that means of protecting yourself, as long as you aren't taking the Mick Foley headshots where he refuses to put his hands up. Considering all the other head maneuvers they do, I would assume the the rate of concussions during a match hasn't dramatically declined, although it's hard to say.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Sept 29, 2013 11:31:33 GMT -5
Nope. Unprotected chairshots are pointless when one considers that the same effect can be had with a protected chairshot. The main reasons that they were so prevalent back then were because it was the era of XTREME sports, Jackass, and guys wanted to prove how tough that they were. I fully suspect that a guy like Foley will have some serious effects in the near future. I'm against blood in wrestling as well, with all of the serious diseases that can result from exposure it's not worth it for someone to bleed for the sake of a wrestling match/angle. To be fair, Terry Funk is older than Mick Foley and hasn't killed anyone and seems to be coherent. But I definitely agree with your post though regarding chairshots to the head. As for blood? I am 50/50 on it. If it's an intense feud then I don't think a little bit would hurt. However, I don't think we need to see any Guerrero or Muta type bladejobs in order to justify the the feud either.
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Post by PKO on Sept 29, 2013 11:31:48 GMT -5
No to unprotected headshots, but I'd like to see the chairshots with the hands in the way return. They can be done safely, and if used sparingly they would make a much bigger impact than: 1. Kick/chair in the gut 2. Opponent bends over 3. Chairshot to back
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Post by Red Impact on Sept 29, 2013 11:37:17 GMT -5
What we need to remember is just because someone hasn't murdered other people doesn't mean they have no damage from a shot. A lot of these things are insidious and don't show up until later in life due to damage to memory centers and things like that. Arguing that someone isn't Chris Benoit and thus has no ill effects is faulty reasoning. Without having prolonged contact, we don't know how any of these people have been affected.
As for blood, I think it should be allowed when it's organic. I don't think blade jobs should come back, but if someone gets busted hardway I don't think they should stop the match to treat it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2013 12:52:14 GMT -5
I've always taken the stance that if chairshots to the head and bladejobs mean that the wrestlers of the current are still around and living well when I get old, then it was worth taking them out. Nobody should be killing themselves just to make a feud/match more brutal. I don't want this generation to end up with brain issues like so many people, or with foreheads like Flair or Abdullah.
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Post by FinalGwen on Sept 29, 2013 12:57:03 GMT -5
Just because someone hasn't killed their family doesn't mean there's no effect on the brain. Obviously, Foley took a lot more damage than many on the roster, but now he can't even look directly at a camera flash without it causing him problems. I imagine if you did proper tests of the brains of many Attitude Era stars, you'd see at least some irregularities, even if they might not be visible on a day-to-day basis.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Sept 29, 2013 12:57:44 GMT -5
No to any chairshot aiming at the head. I can buy into the idea that these guys are more interested in taking out these guys's body parts- a knockout shot is one thing, but if they can mangle their back, arms or legs, they could be affecting these guys's livelihoods either way.
As for blood, let the match ride if they're busted hardway. No blading.
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Post by Big Daddy Bad Booking on Sept 29, 2013 12:59:41 GMT -5
Make them sign a waiver and yes, bring them back! Keep in mind that we live in an era where these can be severely limited and only used for dramatic effect.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Sept 29, 2013 13:22:56 GMT -5
I don't like seeing unprotected chairshots, but I hate the fact that they only do shots to the back and gut with them now. I see no real harm in regular chairshots so long as the guy gets his arm up. Hell, I've always thought chairshots looked better that way because realistically, you'd try to block the shot from your face. I always hated when guys would just stand there with their arms down and take it.
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