Dean-o
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Post by Dean-o on Oct 3, 2013 2:27:33 GMT -5
This title is pretty much worthless anyways. Once Sandow and his giant losing streak cashes in and becomes champion, it'll be at the level of the old European title.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Oct 3, 2013 7:51:08 GMT -5
An 107 days(Less than 4 months) title reign puts him the top ten. That's f***ing ridiculous. Yeah I agree. This belt must have been hot potatoed like a motherf***er if a 107 day reign makes him top ten.
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Post by BRAINFADE on Oct 3, 2013 14:14:18 GMT -5
GO AWAY, DEL RIO!!
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Post by audiencewatching on Oct 3, 2013 14:16:17 GMT -5
I think it says more about the title than it does Del rio.
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deancubed
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Post by deancubed on Oct 3, 2013 22:58:16 GMT -5
I think the champion makes the title. It was worth something when HHH, Edge, or Undertaker had it. It was worth something when Christian won it, but got devalued by Orton stealing it. I'd say when Christian lost it to Orton the second time is the precise moment it became the mid-card title. Just pretend when Edge vacated it after Mania it never came back. Ziggler got his hour-long torch-pass reign, and then that's it. Sorry Christian.
As excited as we were when Mark Henry won it, it had already declined in value by then. His boring-ass feud with Big Show might have revived it, and Bryan might have revived it, but bad writing and slow matches prevented that.
If the right title-holder gets it and has a decent feud for it, it could increase in value again. But Ziggler, Del Rio, RVD, Sheamus, Big Show, Christian are not the guys. It might be Sandow but probably not. It could be Cesaro but probably not. Or we might have to wait until the Shield splits up someday.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 3, 2013 23:07:51 GMT -5
I think the champion makes the title. It was worth something when HHH, Edge, or Undertaker had it. It was worth something when Christian won it, but got devalued by Orton stealing it. I'd say when Christian lost it to Orton the second time is the precise moment it became the mid-card title. Just pretend when Edge vacated it after Mania it never came back. Ziggler got his hour-long torch-pass reign, and then that's it. Sorry Christian. As excited as we were when Mark Henry won it, it had already declined in value by then. His boring-ass feud with Big Show might have revived it, and Bryan might have revived it, but bad writing and slow matches prevented that. If the right title-holder gets it and has a decent feud for it, it could increase in value again. But Ziggler, Del Rio, RVD, Sheamus, Big Show, Christian are not the guys. It might be Sandow but probably not. It could be Cesaro but probably not. Or we might have to wait until the Shield splits up someday. I think that Ziggler, Del Rio, RVD, Sheamus, Big Show, and Christian should all either be challenging for the WWE Title so that the WWE Title picture isn't just Cena, Punk, Bryan, Orton + flavor of the month, having decent non-title programs, or use what notoriety they have to bolster the IC or Tag Title scenes and giving the midcard divisions a rub.
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deancubed
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Post by deancubed on Oct 3, 2013 23:12:30 GMT -5
I think the champion makes the title. It was worth something when HHH, Edge, or Undertaker had it. It was worth something when Christian won it, but got devalued by Orton stealing it. I'd say when Christian lost it to Orton the second time is the precise moment it became the mid-card title. Just pretend when Edge vacated it after Mania it never came back. Ziggler got his hour-long torch-pass reign, and then that's it. Sorry Christian. As excited as we were when Mark Henry won it, it had already declined in value by then. His boring-ass feud with Big Show might have revived it, and Bryan might have revived it, but bad writing and slow matches prevented that. If the right title-holder gets it and has a decent feud for it, it could increase in value again. But Ziggler, Del Rio, RVD, Sheamus, Big Show, Christian are not the guys. It might be Sandow but probably not. It could be Cesaro but probably not. Or we might have to wait until the Shield splits up someday. ...so that the WWE Title picture isn't just Cena, Punk, Orton + flavor of the month I agree with everything else but I fixed that part for you. Bryan is clearly the flavor of the month. Maybe if he holds the title for more than a day sometime in this feud, but right now he's what Ziggler is to the WHC.
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mizerable
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Post by mizerable on Oct 3, 2013 23:20:46 GMT -5
I think the champion makes the title. It was worth something when HHH, Edge, or Undertaker had it. It was worth something when Christian won it, but got devalued by Orton stealing it. I'd say when Christian lost it to Orton the second time is the precise moment it became the mid-card title. Just pretend when Edge vacated it after Mania it never came back. Ziggler got his hour-long torch-pass reign, and then that's it. Sorry Christian. As excited as we were when Mark Henry won it, it had already declined in value by then. His boring-ass feud with Big Show might have revived it, and Bryan might have revived it, but bad writing and slow matches prevented that. If the right title-holder gets it and has a decent feud for it, it could increase in value again. But Ziggler, Del Rio, RVD, Sheamus, Big Show, Christian are not the guys. It might be Sandow but probably not. It could be Cesaro but probably not. Or we might have to wait until the Shield splits up someday. I'm more inclined to believe that Swagger devalued the belt as much as one could after Khali did. But I do agree that the man makes the belt. If they ever wanted to make me give a damn about the WHC, give it to Lesnar. Instant credibility. Hell, let him defend it 4 times a year for all I care.
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Post by Starshine on Oct 3, 2013 23:23:12 GMT -5
They've booked the belt in a total holding pattern. It really wouldn't matter who held it right now. They're giving us very little reason to care about anything involving it.
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Post by JTG Fan on Oct 3, 2013 23:24:29 GMT -5
The title still meant something, even if not at it's 04-05 peak, in 2011 right up until the RAW SuperShow concept was introduced. At which point having two 'World Champions' officially jumped the shark because when watching RAW and seeing both champions on the show it was clear the WWE Championship was considered incredibly more important than the World Heavyweight Championship.
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Post by g1megatronfan on Oct 4, 2013 11:47:42 GMT -5
Which should be considered a travesty. Why does WWE continue to push this man when so few give a damn? The only thing I can come up with is that they spent a fortune on him and are trying to get all they can out of him. For him to be that high up there on lengthy title reigns is a joke. All his reigns have been total bores.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Oct 4, 2013 12:08:53 GMT -5
*reads title*
...and on that day not a single f*** was given.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Oct 4, 2013 12:15:56 GMT -5
Which should be considered a travesty. Why does WWE continue to push this man when so few give a damn? The only thing I can come up with is that they spent a fortune on him and are trying to get all they can out of him. For him to be that high up there on lengthy title reigns is a joke. All his reigns have been total bores. he also apparently throws a fit and says he's going to quit every so often, so they give him the belt to placate him. I guess he's the definition of what Meltzer was talking about when he talked about "belt marks".
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2013 12:23:42 GMT -5
Which should be considered a travesty. Why does WWE continue to push this man when so few give a damn? The only thing I can come up with is that they spent a fortune on him and are trying to get all they can out of him. For him to be that high up there on lengthy title reigns is a joke. All his reigns have been total bores. he also apparently throws a fit and says he's going to quit every so often, so they give him the belt to placate him. I guess he's the definition of what Meltzer was talking about when he talked about "belt marks". Here's something that really baffles me most about del Rio... If that's true, why the hell don't they just let him? I imagine he's not cheap, he clearly is not doing a thing to bring the Hispanic audience in, his presence always brings any show he's on to a screeching halt, and between that, his weird outbursts of violence at times, and his trash-talking in interviews he seems to be very unprofessional. What possible reason is there for keeping this man around unless he's just giving Vince the greatest head of all time? Then again, Carlito was begging to be let go, putting in a lot less effort than del Rio does, and openly shit-talking the people in charge, so maybe WWE just hates to let anyone leave under their own power.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Oct 4, 2013 12:37:29 GMT -5
I honestly keep forgetting he's the champion.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 4, 2013 12:46:55 GMT -5
I cope by simply thinking that he's the WWE Mexico Champion
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2013 22:59:43 GMT -5
I know I'm in the minority about this but I actually like Del Rio. The guy's a really solid wrestler who can put on a good match with lots of different people. But his character his been stripped of anything interesting, and his current feud with RVD has been completely directionless. This feud has devalued not just Del Rio, but RVD and the World Heavyweight Title as a whole.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 4, 2013 23:17:46 GMT -5
I know I'm in the minority about this but I actually like Del Rio. The guy's a really solid wrestler who can put on a good match with lots of different people. But his character his been stripped of anything interesting, and his current feud with RVD has been completely directionless. This feud has devalued not just Del Rio, but RVD and the World Heavyweight Title as a whole. I like Del Rio too. Even though a lot of people don't see it, he's very charismatic. He's over, but imo he's just not main event over. And at this point he's pretty much the only reason the World Title still exists. Imo, the World Title should be scrapped and Del Rio should be put in a role similar to Miz's: a "midcarder with star power".
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2013 0:10:05 GMT -5
Which should be considered a travesty. Why does WWE continue to push this man when so few give a damn? The only thing I can come up with is that they spent a fortune on him and are trying to get all they can out of him. For him to be that high up there on lengthy title reigns is a joke. All his reigns have been total bores. he also apparently throws a fit and says he's going to quit every so often, so they give him the belt to placate him. I guess he's the definition of what Meltzer was talking about when he talked about "belt marks". If he quits he breaches his contract, and he doesn't get paid. Why wouldn't they just say "fine, go ahead. it's your career." I bet he wouldn't do it. So either they really really love the guy and can't imagine life without him, or Meltzer's wrong. Either way, the way they're booking him right now is a drain on the product, not a huge one that makes me not want to watch but he's not bringing anything positive other than the occasional really good match like he had on Smackdown tonight with Ziggler. There's plenty of guys that can have great matches, so that can't be the only thing. Is he really helping them out with the Latino market? I remember reading business in Mexico dropped off.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Oct 5, 2013 9:43:56 GMT -5
he also apparently throws a fit and says he's going to quit every so often, so they give him the belt to placate him. I guess he's the definition of what Meltzer was talking about when he talked about "belt marks". If he quits he breaches his contract, and he doesn't get paid. Why wouldn't they just say "fine, go ahead. it's your career." I bet he wouldn't do it. So either they really really love the guy and can't imagine life without him, or Meltzer's wrong. Either way, the way they're booking him right now is a drain on the product, not a huge one that makes me not want to watch but he's not bringing anything positive other than the occasional really good match like he had on Smackdown tonight with Ziggler. There's plenty of guys that can have great matches, so that can't be the only thing. Is he really helping them out with the Latino market? I remember reading business in Mexico dropped off. I think it speaks to how wrong WWE has it about the Mexican audience. they liked Rey and Eddie (who were latino but not born in Mexico) because they were loveable characters who, as a bonus, were latino. it wasn't just "they like him because he's Mexican". Del Rio sure as hell ain't Eddie or Rey. all the being Mexican in the world isn't going to help him if he's a black hole of apathy.
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