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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 7, 2013 16:51:02 GMT -5
People have defended the ending? I've seen people going "well I didn't mind it so much", but I haven't seen an out and out "That was great!" I haven't marked out this much since Jeff Hardy vs Sting and Victory Road 2011, bro!!!! Now would be the perfect place for a facetious use of Sting going "I agree.. I agree.." to the people saying BULLSHIT in the arena
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 16:55:15 GMT -5
The difference is that WWE doesn't exclusively f*** everything up. Their much more subtle about it, WWE is into long burn f*** ups. Ugh. When you look at it, that might be worse. You kinda know that outside an act or two, Impact is going to be like a "Best of Rasslin' Rifftrax" compilation. WWE kinda baits you in with something that might work, might even have a focus on something that REALLY works...building your expectations...then a few months and PPVs later, it turns into a blight that spreads to the rest of the show. I think it might be how WWE has expectations to dash, so people take it harder as opposed to people generally just expecting that other wrestling show to be bush-league silliness.
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Post by Shark on Oct 7, 2013 17:00:10 GMT -5
In terms of the storyline it was acceptable. Where it failed IMO was the execution. The announcers didn't really say anything, there was no official "No contest" announcement. Had that happened I think it would've felt a lot better. Now we can be more interested in seeing where it goes next, my guess is a 3 way at HIAC.
To the OP's original question, TNA has done this and it was their followup that was what made it really poor. At Final Resolution, I believe, 2011 Bobby Roode and AJ Styles went to a draw in their Iron man match. There was still 10 minutes of PPV time left, the fans were chanting for overtime and the show just ended. It was bad and people crapped on it. What TNa did that made it worse and made all of that hate more valid was that they open the next Impact with a 5 minute overtime between Roode and Styles. They basically ENDED a PPV match on free TV which baically told people that ordering their PPV was pointless, a message TNa sends all the time honestly. I doubt WWE will open Raw tonight announcing that Bryan and Orton will finish their match right then and there. It's a big difference in execution and outcome. For WWE this will end in another big PPV match and if they really deliver with a great ending we'll forget about this.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Oct 7, 2013 17:15:59 GMT -5
.....do you people seriously buy PPVs expecting closure to storylines? Wouldn't it piss you off even more if someone pinned someone and everyone was like, "Whelp, okay, I guess that feud's over. Now on to some new thing!" They were explicitly building to a Big Show intrusion chaos ending. There was no other way for the PPV to end.
I'll never understand people who are mad about non-finishes. EVERYTHING is a non-finish in a serial story. The only thing that would make me actually mad is something that makes no sense given the build-up. If you're hung up on needing someone to win or lose the fake fight, then I think you're watching it wrong.
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Post by RedSmile on Oct 7, 2013 17:18:55 GMT -5
I am still chuckling over that ending, and the complete shit storm of a reaction.
Just POW, POW, POW. Done.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 17:31:23 GMT -5
WWE gives you the best BJ ever then slams your dick in the refrigerator door. Wouldn't it piss you off even more if someone pinned someone and everyone was like, "Whelp, okay, I guess that feud's over. Now on to some new thing!" No. I would really prefer if WWE did that more often.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Oct 7, 2013 17:34:11 GMT -5
I ask you the following question: What would you think if TNA ended a PPV like that? Would you still ask people to wait and see how it goes? I would just go blind with rage. I mean, never mind that it's the exact same finish but the letters TNA just set me off!!! So, we still going with this whole "the world is out to get TNA" attitude? Aight. Of course. I've noticed OP's thing seems to be defending the underdog and taking the unpopular side.
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Post by crowwreak was WRONG on Oct 7, 2013 17:56:08 GMT -5
I would just go blind with rage. I mean, never mind that it's the exact same finish but the letters TNA just set me off!!! So, we still going with this whole "the world is out to get TNA" attitude? Aight. Of course. I've noticed OP's thing seems to be defending the underdog and taking the unpopular side. No, my thing is "having logic and a sense of fairness" Someone got paid to write the atrocity that ended that PPV. At least AJ vs Abyss had a reason for there being a non-finish (albeit a stupid one)
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Oct 7, 2013 18:05:09 GMT -5
The difference is that WWE doesn't exclusively f*** everything up. Neither does TNA.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 18:22:55 GMT -5
If CM Punk did it, I would buy the replay.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Oct 7, 2013 18:36:04 GMT -5
I think it's not so much that it was a no contest that's upsetting people but how lazy it was. They only reason I knew it was over was because of the logo at the bottom of the screen. If they're going to end in a no contest then they should've had a bigger climax, like the Shield running out to fight Show, then the Rhodes family running out to help him. End it with a huge brawl at least.
When a PPV leaves you wondering if it's actually over or not, then that's worse than a bad ending.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 18:44:35 GMT -5
Of course. I've noticed OP's thing seems to be defending the underdog and taking the unpopular side. No, my thing is "having logic and a sense of fairness" Someone got paid to write the atrocity that ended that PPV. At least AJ vs Abyss had a reason for there being a non-finish (albeit a stupid one) Oh no! Abyss created a dangerous pit!
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Oct 7, 2013 18:46:05 GMT -5
WWE gives you the best BJ ever then slams your dick in the refrigerator door. Wouldn't it piss you off even more if someone pinned someone and everyone was like, "Whelp, okay, I guess that feud's over. Now on to some new thing!" No. I would really prefer if WWE did that more often. Really? Here? Battleground: Bryan pins Orton, HHH steps down, the whole storyline ends, Bryan goes on to feud with someone unrelated? I'm skeptical. It's like, if exactly the same thing had happened, but someone had pinned someone first, people would be more okay with it? That's such a minuscule thing. Same match, same extracurriculars, but three seconds are different? That's ridiculous. A pin only matters if it's important to the story that one guy be a better wrestler than the other guy. But there's no tension here: Bryan's better. Everyone knows it. There's nothing to prove. The tension is whether HHH is in over his head trying to stave off the inevitable, and if he's creating a monster that will make everything even worse. The tension is who Big Show will side with. Pins don't matter. What the hell show have you people been watching? I didn't even really like the execution, but the type of ending we got is the only one that would have made sense. We finally are having narrative consistency, and you guys are complaining about a ref's hand hitting a mat three times to decide the end of a fake fight?
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Post by fw91 on Oct 7, 2013 18:49:45 GMT -5
I'd probably be mad if I bought the ppv or was there live. But since I wasn't I am willing to see where it goes.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Oct 7, 2013 18:54:13 GMT -5
WWE gives you the best BJ ever then slams your dick in the refrigerator door. I'd say it was more like they were giving you that great BJ (the match with Orton and Bryan) and they see that you're about to orgasm (mark out) but then they think they can make it better by sticking a finger in your butt (Big Show) and it kills the mood.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 18:55:07 GMT -5
WWE gives you the best BJ ever then slams your dick in the refrigerator door. No. I would really prefer if WWE did that more often. Really? Here? Battleground: Bryan pins Orton, HHH steps down, the whole storyline ends, Bryan goes on to feud with someone unrelated? I'm skeptical. It's like, if exactly the same thing had happened, but someone had pinned someone first, people would be more okay with it? That's such a minuscule thing. Same match, same extracurriculars, but three seconds are different? That's ridiculous. A pin only matters if it's important to the story that one guy be a better wrestler than the other guy. But there's no tension here: Bryan's better. Everyone knows it. There's nothing to prove. The tension is whether HHH is in over his head trying to stave off the inevitable, and if he's creating a monster that will make everything even worse. The tension is who Big Show will side with. Pins don't matter. What the hell show have you people been watching? I didn't even really like the execution, but the type of ending we got is the only one that would have made sense. We finally are having narrative consistency, and you guys are complaining about a ref's hand hitting a mat three times to decide the end of a fake fight? PPVs are supposed to be where feuds and angles are resolved, that's what separates them from a random episode of Raw or Smackdown.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Oct 7, 2013 19:37:52 GMT -5
.....do you people seriously buy PPVs expecting closure to storylines? Wouldn't it piss you off even more if someone pinned someone and everyone was like, "Whelp, okay, I guess that feud's over. Now on to some new thing!" They were explicitly building to a Big Show intrusion chaos ending. There was no other way for the PPV to end. I'll never understand people who are mad about non-finishes. EVERYTHING is a non-finish in a serial story. The only thing that would make me actually mad is something that makes no sense given the build-up. If you're hung up on needing someone to win or lose the fake fight, then I think you're watching it wrong. No, they should create a scenario wherein they don't book themselves into a corner and give the PAYING audience a shit ending. You don't book another Orton vs Bryan match if the idea is that it finally ends at Hell in a Cell. Book a multiple tag match or something with Bryan leading a squad against Orton and Big Show and whomever to lead to a finish that then builds to the next show. The WWE being a serial only works for free TV. Why should anyone buy a PPV with a non-finish? What's the incentive to purchase it? Why not just watch RAW and skip it altogether if it's irrelevant?
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Post by molson5 on Oct 7, 2013 19:45:06 GMT -5
WWE gives you the best BJ ever then slams your dick in the refrigerator door. Wouldn't it piss you off even more if someone pinned someone and everyone was like, "Whelp, okay, I guess that feud's over. Now on to some new thing!" No. I would really prefer if WWE did that more often. I think they do that more than they used to (and more than most times in the company's history since I've been watching), but people here complain whenever anyone other than Cena, Orton, or HHH lose a match. Without jobber squashes, if too many matches end with clean finishes, that's just a LOT of losses to spread around, more than I think people are willing to accept (how many people are considered "glorified jobbers" with the amount of clean finishes they do now?) Unclear finishes serve the same purpose today as they have for every wrestling promoter pretty much ever, your stars or future stars don't have to lose as often, and to keep rivalries going.
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Post by saintpat on Oct 7, 2013 20:11:18 GMT -5
I ask you the following question: What would you think if TNA ended a PPV like that? Would you still ask people to wait and see how it goes? I think I wouldn't know it because ... TNA. Who would I ask? I only know one person who knows what TNA is.
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Post by The Beast Disincarnate on Oct 7, 2013 20:23:26 GMT -5
Big Show should have knocked himself out after he punched Bryan and Orton. That would have made total sense.
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