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Post by MichaelMartini on Oct 7, 2013 20:30:41 GMT -5
.....do you people seriously buy PPVs expecting closure to storylines? Wouldn't it piss you off even more if someone pinned someone and everyone was like, "Whelp, okay, I guess that feud's over. Now on to some new thing!" They were explicitly building to a Big Show intrusion chaos ending. There was no other way for the PPV to end. I'll never understand people who are mad about non-finishes. EVERYTHING is a non-finish in a serial story. The only thing that would make me actually mad is something that makes no sense given the build-up. If you're hung up on needing someone to win or lose the fake fight, then I think you're watching it wrong. No, they should create a scenario wherein they don't book themselves into a corner and give the PAYING audience a shit ending. You don't book another Orton vs Bryan match if the idea is that it finally ends at Hell in a Cell. Book a multiple tag match or something with Bryan leading a squad against Orton and Big Show and whomever to lead to a finish that then builds to the next show. The WWE being a serial only works for free TV. Why should anyone buy a PPV with a non-finish? What's the incentive to purchase it? Why not just watch RAW and skip it altogether if it's irrelevant? With a name like Battleground you'd think they would've had a team match headline. Debut a new match type (something like War Games) to make it a big deal. Or even just Big Show as special guest ref. They way they did it was awful. Big Show's role in this story has been mind-bogglingly stupid. And what about the Usos? They had a high profile role in the feud for a long time and aren't even on the PPV. Instead, they booked a bunch of Raw matches, like Truth vs Axel, Real Americans vs Santino and Khali, and Kofi/Bray. I can only speak for myself but I would've loved to have a seen a War Games type match with Orton, Show, Shield vs Bryan, Cody, Goldust and Usos. Why is Steph even upset that there was no definitive outcome? She could just book a title match on Raw tonight. What's stopping her? |
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Post by saintpat on Oct 7, 2013 20:33:37 GMT -5
No, they should create a scenario wherein they don't book themselves into a corner and give the PAYING audience a shit ending. You don't book another Orton vs Bryan match if the idea is that it finally ends at Hell in a Cell. Book a multiple tag match or something with Bryan leading a squad against Orton and Big Show and whomever to lead to a finish that then builds to the next show. The WWE being a serial only works for free TV. Why should anyone buy a PPV with a non-finish? What's the incentive to purchase it? Why not just watch RAW and skip it altogether if it's irrelevant? With a name like Battleground you'd think they would've had a team match headline. Debut a new match type (something like War Games) to make it a big deal. Or even just Big Show as special guest ref. They way they did it was awful. Big Show's role in this story has been mind-bogglingly stupid. And what about the Usos? They had a high profile role in the feud for a long time and aren't even on the PPV. Instead, they booked a bunch of Raw matches, like Truth vs Axel, Real Americans vs Santino and Khali, and Kofi/Bray. I can only speak for myself but I would've loved to have a seen a War Games type match with Orton, Show, Shield vs Bryan, Cody, Goldust and Usos. Why is Steph even upset that there was no definitive outcome? She could just book a title match on Raw tonight. What's stopping her? Because that isn't best for business. |
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Post by MichaelMartini on Oct 7, 2013 20:39:45 GMT -5
With a name like Battleground you'd think they would've had a team match headline. Debut a new match type (something like War Games) to make it a big deal. Or even just Big Show as special guest ref. They way they did it was awful. Big Show's role in this story has been mind-bogglingly stupid. And what about the Usos? They had a high profile role in the feud for a long time and aren't even on the PPV. Instead, they booked a bunch of Raw matches, like Truth vs Axel, Real Americans vs Santino and Khali, and Kofi/Bray. I can only speak for myself but I would've loved to have a seen a War Games type match with Orton, Show, Shield vs Bryan, Cody, Goldust and Usos. Why is Steph even upset that there was no definitive outcome? She could just book a title match on Raw tonight. What's stopping her? Because that isn't best for business. But she admitted it was a disaster. Wouldn't making it up for it asap be best for business? |
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Oct 7, 2013 22:49:10 GMT -5
.....do you people seriously buy PPVs expecting closure to storylines? Wouldn't it piss you off even more if someone pinned someone and everyone was like, "Whelp, okay, I guess that feud's over. Now on to some new thing!" They were explicitly building to a Big Show intrusion chaos ending. There was no other way for the PPV to end. I'll never understand people who are mad about non-finishes. EVERYTHING is a non-finish in a serial story. The only thing that would make me actually mad is something that makes no sense given the build-up. If you're hung up on needing someone to win or lose the fake fight, then I think you're watching it wrong. No, they should create a scenario wherein they don't book themselves into a corner and give the PAYING audience a shit ending. You don't book another Orton vs Bryan match if the idea is that it finally ends at Hell in a Cell. Book a multiple tag match or something with Bryan leading a squad against Orton and Big Show and whomever to lead to a finish that then builds to the next show. The WWE being a serial only works for free TV. Why should anyone buy a PPV with a non-finish? What's the incentive to purchase it? Why not just watch RAW and skip it altogether if it's irrelevant? Well, in theory, you pay because there's going to be some kind of big crazy exciting thing happening with the Big Show and the title match that you want to witness live. Unless you want to end every plotline like clockwork every month, then this idea of PPVs being feud-enders just doesn't work, and it hasn't for years. PPVs are just where big, important stuff happens, and the best matches are. But that's not even the point. The point here is, who's champion doesn't even really matter except that if Bryan won it, HHH would be proven wrong and getting his authority usurped. This plot isn't really about the title; it's about the wrestlers proving they can't be controlled like HHH wants to control them. So this weird focus on titles... it's like watching Mad Men's season finale and getting mad that it didn't end with letting you know which advertising company is doing the best. In the WWE, it's the characters and the matches that matter, and none of that stuff is hurt by Big Show's interference Sunday night. (If Big Show hadn't interfered, then it would have been the same match just ended with one or the other of them hitting their finishing move, and after the pin, THEN Big Show would have attacked. It's hardly a major difference.) Now again, the interference wasn't DONE all that well, so I can't believe I'm even defending it (they shoulda had Big Show out there way longer teasing interference on both sides). It's just nuts that people are so kayfabe-title-focused that they focus on it instead of what the story is really about. |
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Oct 8, 2013 11:26:52 GMT -5
Because that isn't best for business. But she admitted it was a disaster. Wouldn't making it up for it asap be best for business? apparently in kayfabe land, making blatantly stupid decisions is always "best for business". |
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Post by The Ichi on Oct 8, 2013 12:44:13 GMT -5
When TNA f*** up, you know things are only going to get worse. WWE is a lot more...bipolar.
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Post by government mule on Oct 8, 2013 13:11:01 GMT -5
If Big Show had punched himself out kamikaze style after 'knocking out' Bryan and Orton, I would have been throwing money at the TV.
Whilst on the one hand I don't care because I didn't/would never have bought the PPV, I can also see that the finish is nothing more than an ending to RAW or Smackdown, and things like what the Big Show did would have been overturned in other feuds in other years, so why finish like that now, at a PPV lots of people have bought? This proves WWE have too many PPV's and if people wanted their money back, it should be for this one as opposed to Summerslam where the people got what they wanted, albeit just for a night.
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Post by deancubed on Oct 8, 2013 14:10:06 GMT -5
LOL at anyone expecting a legit finish during the month with 2 PPVs. You can't end feuds 3 weeks before Hell In A Cell. That would be stupid. It would be stupid to give Randy a 1-month title reign right now, and it would be stupid for Bryan's big moment to happen before HiaC when it matters. Does it matter who won via DQ? Really? Like, depending on who Show hits first? No. The people mad about the non-finish should know better. Even if you don't want to predict the show based on 'meta' factors like HiaC coming up, the storyline the show has presented is still ongoing, and they haven't acted like 'at Battleground this all ends for good!'.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Oct 8, 2013 17:52:26 GMT -5
LOL at anyone expecting a legit finish during the month with 2 PPVs. You can't end feuds 3 weeks before Hell In A Cell. That would be stupid. It would be stupid to give Randy a 1-month title reign right now, and it would be stupid for Bryan's big moment to happen before HiaC when it matters. Does it matter who won via DQ? Really? Like, depending on who Show hits first? No. The people mad about the non-finish should know better. Even if you don't want to predict the show based on 'meta' factors like HiaC coming up, the storyline the show has presented is still ongoing, and they haven't acted like 'at Battleground this all ends for good!'. We'll see if it was a stupid decision when buy rates are released. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2013 18:24:07 GMT -5
Ehhh....
I feel like PPVs could be used for those important story beats.
For me, I think the ending would've been better served had Hunner been there with Shield on standby to watch over Show.
Show still could've interfered, ended up knocking out both DBD and Orton. Hunner sics the Shield on Show, he fights off all of The Shield (because they did get their asses kicked and took that L earlier in the night) and we end the show with Show knocking Hunner the hell out and walking away.
Granted, Orton and DBD still ends in a non-finish, which I agree is kinda weak considering people are almost shelling out $60 for this thing, but you get something definitive with Big Show finally knocking Hunner out like he's wanted to do for weeks.
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Post by avenger on Oct 9, 2013 5:57:44 GMT -5
LOL at anyone expecting a legit finish during the month with 2 PPVs. You can't end feuds 3 weeks before Hell In A Cell. That would be stupid. It would be stupid to give Randy a 1-month title reign right now, and it would be stupid for Bryan's big moment to happen before HiaC when it matters. Does it matter who won via DQ? Really? Like, depending on who Show hits first? No. The people mad about the non-finish should know better. Even if you don't want to predict the show based on 'meta' factors like HiaC coming up, the storyline the show has presented is still ongoing, and they haven't acted like 'at Battleground this all ends for good!'. We'll see if it was a stupid decision when buy rates are released. Don't forget that Battleground (or whatever it's been called in recent years) only exists to squeeze three PPVs in a short period of time, so that you can't afford Bound For Glory. |
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