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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 23:41:52 GMT -5
Was looking forward to a good break, but nope, back to Let's Go Cena/Cena Sucks. It's so controversial! I don't know, if this Cena-less intermission has proven anything, it's that live crowds cheering the heels in the main event angles has little to do with who is and isn't a smark favorite, considering we've been regularly getting kids cheering Orton's brutal beatdowns of Bryan. At least it's more scattered though. We can hear it pretty well during Orton's Master of the Barricade assaults, but overall crowd reactions are favorable to the faces and negative towards the heels for the most part. It's not anywhere the "split" crowds where 70% is booing the shit out of the babyface. It's not really a smark thing at this point, it's a Cena thing. He will always have that divided, storyline-breaking reaction, unless they actively cater to it by having him wrestle another babyface. That's the only effective story they can seem to tell with the guy, and it's been told too many times as it is.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Oct 7, 2013 23:43:31 GMT -5
Was looking forward to a good break, but nope, back to Let's Go Cena/Cena Sucks. It's so controversial! I don't know, if this Cena-less intermission has proven anything, it's that live crowds cheering the heels in the main event angles has little to do with who is and isn't a smark favorite, considering we've been regularly getting kids cheering Orton's brutal beatdowns of Bryan. In front of his fiancee no less!
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Post by Instant Classic on Oct 7, 2013 23:44:34 GMT -5
Well if Cena does win the WHC I hope the next couple world champions go like this.
Cena Sandow Rhodes Retire the shit
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Oct 7, 2013 23:45:17 GMT -5
I don't know, if this Cena-less intermission has proven anything, it's that live crowds cheering the heels in the main event angles has little to do with who is and isn't a smark favorite, considering we've been regularly getting kids cheering Orton's brutal beatdowns of Bryan. In front of his fiancee no less! My favorite part was when some dude yelled, "KISS HER RANDY!"
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Oct 7, 2013 23:46:31 GMT -5
In front of his fiancee no less! My favorite part was when some dude yelled, "KISS HER RANDY!" Kill him some more Big Orange!
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Post by anticonscience on Oct 7, 2013 23:59:35 GMT -5
I'm significantly more shocked that Cena is lowering himself to going after the WHC, which at this point is more of an upper-midcard belt, than injecting himself right back into the WWE Title picture and the whole New Corporation storyline.
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Post by mizerable on Oct 7, 2013 23:59:35 GMT -5
Well if Cena does win the WHC I hope the next couple world champions go like this. Cena Sandow Rhodes Retire the shit Why even do all that? Again, as much as I hate the fact that Cena is coming back too early AND likely going to be the focal point again, him winning and eventually retiring the WHC is likely the best scenario that the title could go out on. The WHC started to become flimsy when they started handing it off to guys they wanted to test the main event with. While that shit worked with the ECW title (almost too well, IMO), it practically made the WHC a joke by comparison. As much as I hated Triple H for hogging the belt when he first got it, it became THE title, IMO. Especially when you had JBL squeaking out victories and hardly proving to be a capable champion in kayfabe terms. Then after Batista goes to Smackdown with the title, it became an absolute afterthought. At no point after 2005 did I put the WHC on the same level as the WWE title. And when you have guys like Swagger, Khali and giving thank you runs to guys like Big Show, Mark Henry and Kane, when you know damn well they wouldn't have given them those runs with the WWE title? Come on. Then it's practically been dull since WM27 when they decided to open the f***ing show with it. It's not important guys. Unless it goes out with a big name, the last person who holds it isn't going to mean a thing. Just like how Ezekiel Jackson winning the ECW title didn't mean a thing.
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Post by Instant Classic on Oct 8, 2013 0:01:44 GMT -5
Well if Cena does win the WHC I hope the next couple world champions go like this. Cena Sandow Rhodes Retire the shit Why even do all that? Again, as much as I hate the fact that Cena is coming back too early AND likely going to be the focal point again, him winning and eventually retiring the WHC is likely the best scenario that the title could go out on. The WHC started to become flimsy when they started handing it off to guys they wanted to test the main event with. While that shit worked with the ECW title (almost too well, IMO), it practically made the WHC a joke by comparison. As much as I hated Triple H for hogging the belt when he first got it, it became THE title, IMO. Especially when you had JBL squeaking out victories and hardly proving to be a capable champion in kayfabe terms. Then after Batista goes to Smackdown with the title, it became an absolute afterthought. At no point after 2005 did I put the WHC on the same level as the WWE title. And when you have guys like Swagger, Khali and giving thank you runs to guys like Big Show, Mark Henry and Kane, when you know damn well they wouldn't have given them those runs with the WWE title? Come on. Then it's practically been dull since WM27 when they decided to open the f***ing show with it. It's not important guys. Unless it goes out with a big name, the last person who holds it isn't going to mean a thing. Just like how Ezekiel Jackson winning the ECW title didn't mean a thing. I guess, but if Cena were to retie the title, what about Sandow and the briefcase?
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 8, 2013 0:04:22 GMT -5
Why even do all that? Again, as much as I hate the fact that Cena is coming back too early AND likely going to be the focal point again, him winning and eventually retiring the WHC is likely the best scenario that the title could go out on. The WHC started to become flimsy when they started handing it off to guys they wanted to test the main event with. While that shit worked with the ECW title (almost too well, IMO), it practically made the WHC a joke by comparison. As much as I hated Triple H for hogging the belt when he first got it, it became THE title, IMO. Especially when you had JBL squeaking out victories and hardly proving to be a capable champion in kayfabe terms. Then after Batista goes to Smackdown with the title, it became an absolute afterthought. At no point after 2005 did I put the WHC on the same level as the WWE title. And when you have guys like Swagger, Khali and giving thank you runs to guys like Big Show, Mark Henry and Kane, when you know damn well they wouldn't have given them those runs with the WWE title? Come on. Then it's practically been dull since WM27 when they decided to open the f***ing show with it. It's not important guys. Unless it goes out with a big name, the last person who holds it isn't going to mean a thing. Just like how Ezekiel Jackson winning the ECW title didn't mean a thing. I guess, but if Cena were to retie the title, what about Sandow and the briefcase? He can put his important documents and his lunch in it like a normal person.
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Post by Sc on Oct 8, 2013 0:06:19 GMT -5
Del Rio vs. Cena main events Hell In A Cell.
Del Rio makes Cena tap out clean to the cross armbreaker on his injured arm, putting Alberto Del Rio on par with CM Punk and Daniel Bryan.
Half of FAN commits ritualistic suicide.
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Post by mizerable on Oct 8, 2013 0:07:21 GMT -5
I guess, but if Cena were to retie the title, what about Sandow and the briefcase? Sandow runs in on Raw, gets AA'd and beaten soundly in seconds. Sandow then snaps, slaps and locks the crossface chickenwing on someone, then looks at his hands afterwards not realizing what he's done. Sandow has more to gain by coming up short than being another paper champion. Besides, the MITB needs a loser who hasn't been champion already. And I say this as someone who really likes Sandow.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Oct 8, 2013 0:10:19 GMT -5
I guess, but if Cena were to retie the title, what about Sandow and the briefcase? There are 4 PPVs between HIAC and Wrestlemania. Time for Cena to win the belt, beat Del Rio in one or two rematches, then have a quick filler feud with Sandow at another couple PPVs before doing a unification match at Wrestlemania.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Oct 8, 2013 0:22:25 GMT -5
I'm significantly more shocked that Cena is lowering himself to going after the WHC, which at this point is more of an upper-midcard belt, than injecting himself right back into the WWE Title picture and the whole New Corporation storyline. This is the big part for me that's having me reserve from calling it "same old shit, Super Cena, etc." If they really wanted a ratings boost, then they would have Cena come out tonight and attack Triple H. Cena would have stood tall over the Authority. Cena would have come in and made this storyline all about him, poop jokes, no selling anything as a threat, etc. But they're having him face Del Rio. I don't see Del Rio actually beating Cena mind you, so that would mean Cena would be WHC. Now the WHC hasn't been seen as a big deal since 2010 when Taker had it (you can maybe include Jericho, Edge, and Orton's reigns but they never main evented anything with it while Taker did). So will the title become the most important thing if the company if Cena wins it? Who does he face? Does he interact with the Authority/Bryan? But then I think about how Del Rio is booked. He's on the show about one time, has a quick match then goes to the back for the rest of the night and doesn't affect the main narrative at all. I think maybe they'll have Cena do that with the WHC, have a quick match, entertain the crowd, then go to the back for the rest of the night. This way you get him out there to move a rating and pop a buyrate, the WHC looks important, Cena gets a long rest, and he wouldn't affect the main narrative at all. It's wishful thinking, I know, but this is a tricky situation.
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Post by CMWaters on Oct 8, 2013 0:30:35 GMT -5
For those saying "Unification at WrestleMania"...
Where does that leave the Royal Rumble winner?
Unless either the World Champion or WWE Champion enters the Rumble to face the other...
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Post by mizerable on Oct 8, 2013 0:47:46 GMT -5
For those saying "Unification at WrestleMania"... Where does that leave the Royal Rumble winner? Unless either the World Champion or WWE Champion enters the Rumble to face the other... Triple Threat Rumble winner Bryan wins both titles. Wait..that would never happen.
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Oct 8, 2013 1:00:13 GMT -5
Soooooooooo..... John Cena & the WHC are going to be HHH & Stephanie's face of the WWE.
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Post by cahuette on Oct 8, 2013 1:03:32 GMT -5
For those saying "Unification at WrestleMania"... Where does that leave the Royal Rumble winner? Unless either the World Champion or WWE Champion enters the Rumble to face the other... Royal Rumble winner CM Punk vs WWE Champion Daniel Bryan vs WHC John Cena in the best triple threat evar.
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Oct 8, 2013 1:10:25 GMT -5
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Post by Raskovnik on Oct 8, 2013 2:01:26 GMT -5
I think it's neat that he's wrestling for the WHC. If he's actually coming back, that is.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 8, 2013 2:10:02 GMT -5
If they don't do a unification, they could alternatively have Cena keep the belt forever. The World Heavyweight Championship would allow Cena to remain relatively high on the card (although he would be anyway because he's John Cena) without taking the spotlight away from Bryan or the WWE Title. He would essentially be in that marquee gatekeeper role that I've always been suggesting. And since no one really cares about the World Title anyway, "Spoiler: Cena Wins" doesn't really matter. All they have to do is book their pet project heels to look good in a feud with Cena, and it will make them look credible for the WWE Title scene. Cena would ultimately retain the belt so as to keep the title "out of the way". He and the World Title would keep each other in a bubble, and Cena could lay low off of TV while he recovers from his injury, only showing up on PPVs to defend the title against token opponents every month while everyone else is focusing on the WWE and IC Titles.
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