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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 9, 2013 11:44:56 GMT -5
Now that people are getting themselves into a tizzy booking a title unification, are they gonna get up in arms if no such thing happens?
Cuz that seems to happen a lot.
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Post by CMWaters on Oct 9, 2013 11:46:40 GMT -5
Now that people are getting themselves into a tizzy booking a title unification, are they gonna get up in arms if no such thing happens? Cuz that seems to happen a lot. I'm in the boat that I'm HOPING it happens, but I'm not EXPECTING it to. But it would be great to finally have one World title again, IMO.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 9, 2013 12:51:20 GMT -5
So the World Heavyweight belt will become the John Cena belt and the WWE champion will fill the WHC titles current role as IC title replacement right? I'd like to think that the John Cena belt would become the World Titlle. Like I said, no one cares about the World Title so it's okay to go the Spoiler: Cena wins route with it indefinitely. Cena can disappear from TV with the belt like the Rock did with the WWE Title so that he can fully finish his recovery, and it wouldn't have that big of an effect on the grand scheme of things. Plus letting him do short inconsequential programs against the likes of Fandango, Cesaro, Swagger, Big E. etc. while still having the benefit of his presence is better for his health than putting him under the pressure of a headlining match
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Post by ________ has left the building on Oct 9, 2013 13:07:46 GMT -5
Now that people are getting themselves into a tizzy booking a title unification, are they gonna get up in arms if no such thing happens? Cuz that seems to happen a lot. I already can sense the rage when it doesn't happen at Wrestlemania 30. And if it does happen like ending the Brand Split, people will realize quickly how much it didn't work out as they hope it would.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2013 13:17:46 GMT -5
If the titles are unified, you're going to have ADR competing for the WWE title or having it constantly.
It's obviously intentional that he ALWAYS be "main eventing", like it's part of his contract or something.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 9, 2013 13:20:12 GMT -5
Now that people are getting themselves into a tizzy booking a title unification, are they gonna get up in arms if no such thing happens? Cuz that seems to happen a lot. I already can sense the rage when it doesn't happen at Wrestlemania 30. And if it does happen like ending the Brand Split, people will realize quickly how much it didn't work out as they hope it would. I think a unification could work out. You don't need a secondary title to put over new stars. All you need is to book them in good feuds with top level talent. A non-title feud with John Cena, CM Punk, or Randy Orton will do more to put over a young star than giving him a paper title and putting him in a bubble with other upper midcarders would. Plus a lot of guys on the roster have already been champion, so it wouldn't hurt them too badly if there were only one major title. For example, I like The Miz, but I wouldn't be too upset if he never won a world title again.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Oct 9, 2013 13:38:37 GMT -5
I already can sense the rage when it doesn't happen at Wrestlemania 30. And if it does happen like ending the Brand Split, people will realize quickly how much it didn't work out as they hope it would. I think a unification could work out. You don't need a secondary title to put over new stars. All you need is to book them in good feuds with top level talent. A non-title feud with John Cena, CM Punk, or Randy Orton will do more to put over a young star than giving him a paper title and putting him in a bubble with other upper midcarders would. Plus a lot of guys on the roster have already been champion, so it wouldn't hurt them too badly if there were only one major title. For example, I like The Miz, but I wouldn't be too upset if he never won a world title again. The problem is a lot of guys are former world champions who should not had been one. At least not so soon. I remember when people spazzed when Barrett didn't win the WWE title when he was feuding with Orton during the height of the Nexus. If he won, he would still be the current non-factor he is now. People think winning a world title means you're elevated. No. Being treated as a star and people reacting that does the elevation. If a wrestler doesn't get into the main event picture within his first 3 years, he's deemed a failure around these parts. I remember when a wrestler had to be around for over a decade before they could even sniff the World title. Are people prepared for that? Not with the ADHD society we live in nowadays.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 9, 2013 14:15:45 GMT -5
I think a unification could work out. You don't need a secondary title to put over new stars. All you need is to book them in good feuds with top level talent. A non-title feud with John Cena, CM Punk, or Randy Orton will do more to put over a young star than giving him a paper title and putting him in a bubble with other upper midcarders would. Plus a lot of guys on the roster have already been champion, so it wouldn't hurt them too badly if there were only one major title. For example, I like The Miz, but I wouldn't be too upset if he never won a world title again. The problem is a lot of guys are former world champions who should not had been one. At least not so soon. I remember when people spazzed when Barrett didn't win the WWE title when he was feuding with Orton during the height of the Nexus. If he won, he would still be the current non-factor he is now. People think winning a world title means you're elevated. No. Being treated as a star and people reacting that does the elevation. If a wrestler doesn't get into the main event picture within his first 3 years, he's deemed a failure around these parts. I remember when a wrestler had to be around for over a decade before they could even sniff the World title. Are people prepared for that? Not with the ADHD society we live in nowadays. There are a lot of guys who have proven themselves to be unworthy to be a consistent main eventer. Even with TWO World Titles, everyone can't be in the title picture anyway. And for the guys who "failed" or proved themselves incapable of being a long term main eventer, should be working in that Chris Jericho role of floating between the main event and midcard. Instead, what WWE does is put them in this weird limbo where they won't get a world title any time soon, but they're "too good" for the midcard and just make the real midcarders look like jobbers, or hoard midcard titles while dicking around in main event storylines. Guys like Miz, Ziggler, Swagger, Ryback (who hasn't even won ANY titles yet, but is still deemed to be too good for the midcard), Sheamus, and hopefully Del Rio, even if they didn't hit Rock/Austin status, should at least be used to give the Intercontinental Title a rub and raise its prestige back up to being a proper #2 title.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Oct 9, 2013 14:21:41 GMT -5
The problem is a lot of guys are former world champions who should not had been one. At least not so soon. I remember when people spazzed when Barrett didn't win the WWE title when he was feuding with Orton during the height of the Nexus. If he won, he would still be the current non-factor he is now. People think winning a world title means you're elevated. No. Being treated as a star and people reacting that does the elevation. If a wrestler doesn't get into the main event picture within his first 3 years, he's deemed a failure around these parts. I remember when a wrestler had to be around for over a decade before they could even sniff the World title. Are people prepared for that? Not with the ADHD society we live in nowadays. There are a lot of guys who have proven themselves to be unworthy to be a consistent main eventer. Even with TWO World Titles, everyone can't be in the title picture anyway. And for the guys who "failed" or proved themselves incapable of being a long term main eventer, should be working in that Chris Jericho role of floating between the main event and midcard. Instead, what WWE does is put them in this weird limbo where they won't get a world title any time soon, but they're "too good" for the midcard and just make the real midcarders look like jobbers, or hoard midcard titles while dicking around in main event storylines. Guys like Miz, Ziggler, Swagger, Ryback (who hasn't even won ANY titles yet, but is still deemed to be too good for the midcard), Sheamus, and hopefully Del Rio, even if they didn't hit Rock/Austin status, should at least be used to give the Intercontinental Title a rub and raise its prestige back up to being a proper #2 title. Those guys aren't too good for the midcard because they are the midcard.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2013 14:27:46 GMT -5
I really wish I could do a long post on how I feel about this entire thing, but I started to mentally check out when the Raw Roster rebelled then Hunner just kinda addressed it for about a week and then kinda forgot about it. Then you had the Battleground filler with that main event ending...now Cena's coming back, albeit not fighting for the WHC, but still...
Though it may not be that the stuff has just severed any emotional attachment I'd have to the whole situation.
I honestly think it has more to do with Cena's presence looming over the show like a cancer. It's like some weird experiment. I can trudge through the whole thing, but the minute Cena comes back I don't even have the desire to watch it anymore, even if just to riff on it.
I've really reached the end of my rope when it comes to tolerating Cena, y'all. Like, I don't want to ****ing see him at all. I don't want to see him competing for the WWE title, I don't want to see him competing for the WHC title. I don't want to see him putting anyone over. I don't want to see his promos. I don't want to see his matches.
So in order to not fly into a frothing rage over a damn wrestler I'll just check out emotionally. It's not worth it.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Oct 9, 2013 15:10:07 GMT -5
Now that people are getting themselves into a tizzy booking a title unification, are they gonna get up in arms if no such thing happens? Cuz that seems to happen a lot. I find I'm much, much happier as a fan if I stop trying to guess what's going to happen and just let whatever happens, happen. Which is a little depressing really, but given how into a lot of the recent storylines I've been it's not taken much effort to just see how far the rabbit hole goes.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Oct 10, 2013 0:08:22 GMT -5
If the titles are unified, you're going to have ADR competing for the WWE title or having it constantly. It's obviously intentional that he ALWAYS be "main eventing", like it's part of his contract or something. Someone needs to tell WWE that there actually is other tall guys who can speak Spanish out there.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 10, 2013 0:44:23 GMT -5
If the titles are unified, you're going to have ADR competing for the WWE title or having it constantly. It's obviously intentional that he ALWAYS be "main eventing", like it's part of his contract or something. Someone needs to tell WWE that there actually is other tall guys who can speak Spanish out there. We don't need to push Del Rio so hard when we have Cuban Heat Cody Rhodes on the roster.
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Post by Burst on Oct 10, 2013 0:53:15 GMT -5
I still just kind of wonder how Cena is going to be in ten years. Genetic freak or otherwise, rushing back from this many injuries can't be good for him in the long run. It's been said before but I can't help but see his career either ending like Edge's via doctor's orders or him ending up in a wheelchair like Dynamite Kid.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Oct 10, 2013 1:32:48 GMT -5
I still just kind of wonder how Cena is going to be in ten years. Genetic freak or otherwise, rushing back from this many injuries can't be good for him in the long run. It's been said before but I can't help but see his career either ending like Edge's via doctor's orders or him ending up in a wheelchair like Dynamite Kid. It's not how Cena is gonna be, it's how WWE is going to be. Since they haven't bothered to create one single star since he became one ten years ago. All the other guys just keep his seat warm. If Cena retires tomorrow, they're f***ed. They cut the legs off Punk, Bryan and anyone else who attempts to rise up the card. Why else was the main events of last Mania Rock, Lesnar, Taker, Triple H? They'll always rely on old stars, because they have no new ones. Which is why HBK is back and Cena is back and at Mania, all the old stars will be back to claim the main events. Triple H, Cena, Taker, Lesnar and guys who need the boost will be jobbing to them or working a mid card match. Mania 30 will only amplify this. Maybe they'll prove me wrong and new stars will break out and WWE will say "this is our new direction". More likely Cena will wear a new color shirt and hold up the WWE title. Merch!!!!
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