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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 8, 2013 20:43:09 GMT -5
Cena wins. Sandow tries cashing in but eats an AA and a pin for his troubles. And *clears throat* I can't believe I'm saying this... but this would be one of the few times I can see a title unification match happening. Their ratings and PPV buys are slipping and they need the gimmick to get viewers in. Just like the first time they had a unification. Of course, I will still doubt that they'll actually do this. But this is one of those times I wouldn't be surprised if it did occur. I'd love this. It gets the briefcase out of the way, since Sandow is nowhere near ready to be world champ, and they clean up the titles for a bit. But if they're going to unify the World Titles, they also need to get the IC belt onto a "name" talent ASAP to help raise its status up in the meantime.
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Post by metylerca on Oct 8, 2013 20:51:29 GMT -5
Cena wins. Sandow tries cashing in but eats an AA and a pin for his troubles. And *clears throat* I can't believe I'm saying this... but this would be one of the few times I can see a title unification match happening. Their ratings and PPV buys are slipping and they need the gimmick to get viewers in. Just like the first time they had a unification. Of course, I will still doubt that they'll actually do this. But this is one of those times I wouldn't be surprised if it did occur. I'd love this. It gets the briefcase out of the way, since Sandow is nowhere near ready to be world champ, and they clean up the titles for a bit. But if they're going to unify the World Titles, they also need to get the IC belt onto a "name" talent ASAP to help raise its status up in the meantime. I actually think they keep everything the same. But they'd have Cena/Bryan at Survivor Series, this time with Cena winning cleanly to unify the belts. I know it's not the popular answer, but it'd lead to some schmozz match at TLC with Cena/Orton/Bryan/Big Show and setting the stage for WrestleMania season. If a possible Cena/Taker match is to happen, then Cena would drop the unified title in December or January on the road to Royal Rumble. This would be a great time to really establish the corporation with Orton having help from every angle to win the title and clutching the top spot for someone else to challenge him. You could have Bryan finally take his battle against HHH to a physical end, leading to a match with them at or around WrestleMania. Or maybe at the Rumble with Bryan needing to beat HHH to get a spot in the match. Here he could prove himself or something. I forsee Big Show turning heel, just because he's Big Show and that's what he does. Orton could then lose his belt via-Vince shenanigans and the WrestleMania main event could be Bryan challenging for the belt against whoever beats Orton. Eh, or none of this happens and Sandow cashes in and wins and manages to get no pops due to his inexperience and lack of overness. He'll be hated on Smackdown though
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Post by mizerable on Oct 8, 2013 21:11:12 GMT -5
People like the two of you have continuously been dismissive of people like me who are positive about WWE and don't think everything they do is worthy of scorn or ridicule. We're also tired of it being taken so ridiculously serious all the freaking time. Hence the "wait and see" meme. While I haven't had a chance to read Cesaro's No Goddard's response yet, I can tell you that when this angle began at Summerslam, he was positive about it. Why? Because I remember debating him on it. As far as me "not being positive", that falls in line with the main storyline. Whereas the lesser stuff with Cody Rhodes has been good as well as them having consistently good wrestling on TV week after week, the creative decisions made regarding where to go and what to do has been incredibly stale and pathetic. What they're doing right now is called FILLER. If you can't see that, then I don't know what to tell you. The very idea that they're doing a slowburn with Bryan makes me believe people don't know what a slowburn is. At no point does Bryan grow as a character or a wrestler from any of this. On top of that, WWE has been pulling several natural peeves I have in wrestling; 1. Don't have short title changes. If the person who wins can't hold the title till the next title program, then don't give him the title. 2. Don't vacate the title. Nothing kills my interest as much as "we're going to have a new champion no matter what!". 3. Don't end a piss poor PPV with a no-contest. If you want people to buy your product, give them resolution on the PPV. Don't spread it out, because this is nothing but filler. Christ, I think it's silly to think that I'm being negative to WWE for making what I consider to be stupid decisions. But I guess, we shouldn't criticize them for it? And again, what you're telling me is that WWE is stupid enough to bring a not 100% John Cena back for a single night, with the possibility of re-aggravating an injury in a dangerous situation like HIAC, to win the title, only for him to turn around and quickly lose it to Sandow, and just to provide heat...SANDOW is going to decimate Cena SO bad, that Cena once again has to go home to recuperate? EDIT: Gotta echo this as well. I love wrestling, but I'm not going to sit by dumbfoundedly and find everything they do to be amazing. Like I said, since Summerslam, they've done a few things I've enjoyed, but ignoring all the other ridiculous stuff would be a disservice to anyone who is going to spend money on this. I spend money on the product when I feel the product has something to offer me. Summerslam for example was built VERY VERY well. So for the first time in 3 years, I watched it live (not streaming). I felt the company did the right things to gain my interest and while I didn't agree with the finish to the event, the overall show was great and I didn't feel ripped off. If I ordered Battleground (which I didn't) and got that? I'd be f***ing pissed. I think it's important to be critical of a product. While WWE might not care (they probably don't), it shows that you show enough interest for them to want to do the right thing, and no that doesn't always mean putting the belt on the guy I want to see win, but in the immortal words of Triple H "doing what's best for business".
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Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on Oct 8, 2013 21:34:32 GMT -5
So, show of hands.
Who is calling title unification within the next year or so?
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Post by mizerable on Oct 8, 2013 21:37:01 GMT -5
So, show of hands. Who is calling title unification within the next year or so? I'm very confident in calling for Cena to hold the title for a while. But I'm not that confident that WWE will make the right move and retire the WHC, although I'd like to hope they would.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 8, 2013 21:39:46 GMT -5
So, show of hands. Who is calling title unification within the next year or so? I'm very confident in calling for Cena to hold the title for a while. But I'm not that confident that WWE will make the right move and retire the WHC, although I'd like to hope they would. I'd like to think they would as well. I just can't see them giving Cena the belt and then go back to giving it to upper midcarders.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Oct 8, 2013 22:20:44 GMT -5
Title Unification at Wrestlemania is the new Sting vs Undertaker. Someday, it's going to happen.
Someday.
Maybe not at next year's Wrestlemania. But soon. Within our lifetimes.
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Post by CMWaters on Oct 8, 2013 22:23:29 GMT -5
Except for the concerns about the Royal Rumble winner's involvement, I do like the idea of the title being unified at WrestleMania 30.
Great stage for it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2013 22:25:30 GMT -5
I so hope they don't unify the titles, if only because if del Rio is going to keep being forced into title feuds to keep him from quitting, I'd sooner it be a title that doesn't matter.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 8, 2013 22:27:07 GMT -5
Why even do all that? Again, as much as I hate the fact that Cena is coming back too early AND likely going to be the focal point again, him winning and eventually retiring the WHC is likely the best scenario that the title could go out on. The WHC started to become flimsy when they started handing it off to guys they wanted to test the main event with. While that shit worked with the ECW title (almost too well, IMO), it practically made the WHC a joke by comparison. As much as I hated Triple H for hogging the belt when he first got it, it became THE title, IMO. Especially when you had JBL squeaking out victories and hardly proving to be a capable champion in kayfabe terms. Then after Batista goes to Smackdown with the title, it became an absolute afterthought. At no point after 2005 did I put the WHC on the same level as the WWE title. And when you have guys like Swagger, Khali and giving thank you runs to guys like Big Show, Mark Henry and Kane, when you know damn well they wouldn't have given them those runs with the WWE title? Come on. Then it's practically been dull since WM27 when they decided to open the f***ing show with it. It's not important guys. Unless it goes out with a big name, the last person who holds it isn't going to mean a thing. Just like how Ezekiel Jackson winning the ECW title didn't mean a thing. I guess, but if Cena were to retie the title, what about Sandow and the briefcase? If the World Title is simply retired, Sandow can demand a shot at the WWE Championship because he feels he's still entitled to a championship opportunity. Sandow is not ready to be champion, so he should get his shot and lose. Right now it seems as if the only reason he has the briefcase is so that someone "new" can have it. If the World Title and WWE Titles are unified, then the stipulations of the briefcase could still apply to the unified title
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Post by mizerable on Oct 8, 2013 22:31:06 GMT -5
I so hope they don't unify the titles, if only because if del Rio is going to keep being forced into title feuds to keep him from quitting, I'd sooner it be a title that doesn't matter. If it does happen, I have no doubt that Del Rio will either have to suck it up and accept that he's not going to get his way, or quit. Because I would hope that WWE is starting to realize that he's not effective in the role in any way. It's almost insulting to me, considering how many other persons could have knocked it out of the park if given the chance. I think with 4 very mediocre title reigns and not being 1/10th as over as he should be. Even Orton's abortion reigns early on weren't this pitiful. If anything, he becomes IC champion, which I wouldn't mind in favor of someone like Curtis Axel. At least in the IC title quest, I know the champion and the championship don't mean too much.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 9, 2013 2:53:52 GMT -5
Since I was actually named in this topic, I should probably weigh in with some more thoughts.
Here's how I see things... I believe that while it is a panic move on WWE's part to bring back Cena ahead of schedule, the fact that they aren't throwing him straight into the main Authority angle and are instead putting him with Del Rio and the second-tier World Heavyweight Championship, along with Punk's continued (albeit baffling) lack of involvement in said angle, shows that they still have faith in Bryan, but just want that added security of steady ratings and buyrates. Remember, by this time in 2011 with Punk, he was basically out of the big summer angle save for a tag match with Triple H against Miz and R-Truth. Bryan is still one of the main players in it at this point of time in 2013, and there is no real indication that he's being phased out of it (yet).
I try to focus on what is happening right now over what could happen in the future based on their track record, because I believe many people could (and do) drive themselves crazy with worry and paranoia over those worst case scenarios. I understand that it is not what works for everyone, but it's what works for me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2013 3:12:44 GMT -5
Guys, I just realised. People are talking about the world titles being unified... If Cena wins the World Title at Hell in a Cell... And if Orton beats Bryan to win the WWE Title... Then that means... Oh no. Oh dear god no!
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Post by CMWaters on Oct 9, 2013 3:15:46 GMT -5
Too bad we can't do with those pictures like we did with Sheamus/Berto.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2013 4:46:02 GMT -5
So yeah, it all lines up perfectly if they want it to.
Survivor Series: Title Unification TLC: Orton Wins the WWE Title Rumble: Punk wins the rumble/Orton retains/Bryan begins his path towards fighting HHH at Mania EC: Orton retains Wrestlemania: Punk vs. Orton for the WWE Title Bryan(w Vince) vs. HHH for control of the company Cena vs. Taker(The Heart vs. The Soul of the WWE)
Outside of Taker/Cena, I'm not necessarily intrigued by that card but if they were to pull the trigger on a unification, it would align pretty well with the rumored Mania card.
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Post by Loser troll. Please ban me on Oct 9, 2013 6:27:52 GMT -5
The future looks incredibly depressing if all that is true.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2013 6:41:12 GMT -5
So the World Heavyweight belt will become the John Cena belt and the WWE champion will fill the WHC titles current role as IC title replacement right?
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Post by Freddy BooJangles on Oct 9, 2013 8:22:44 GMT -5
What color shirt & hat is Cena gonna wear when he makes his BIG return in Heck in a Cage?
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Post by Essential1 on Oct 9, 2013 9:19:40 GMT -5
When I heard the news I was like...
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Oct 9, 2013 9:55:42 GMT -5
What color shirt & hat is Cena gonna wear when he makes his BIG return in Heck in a Cage? Probably the pink "Rise Above Cancer" version of his shirt.
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