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Post by Instant Classic on Oct 8, 2013 12:37:14 GMT -5
Normally I'd find it tiresome that the company has hit the panic button and brought him back early But on the upside, it means Alboreto is going to lose, and I hope it's the last time he ever holds a world title. I fear Del Rio will win it at least 2 more times.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2013 12:38:31 GMT -5
Normally I'd find it tiresome that the company has hit the panic button and brought him back early But on the upside, it means Alboreto is going to lose, and I hope it's the last time he ever holds a world title. I fear Del Rio will win it at least 2 more times. Whenever Cena decides to interject himself into the Corporation angle, Alberto will be right back to walking around with that thing constantly for no discernible reason.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Oct 8, 2013 13:00:47 GMT -5
No one knows for sure what condition Cena is actually in. Hence, it IS possible he may only be back to transition the belt from Del Rio to Sandow. That wouldn't be idiotic, it would be smart. It would give a lot of heat to Sandow, as well as credibility. Alternately, if he is back for real, letting Cena having a good run with the WHC Title would give it the prestige people feel it has been lacking. If he gets the belt, than he can defend the belt against whomever while Bryan does his own thing.
Which why this "panic button" stuff is garbage. He may be there to pop the buyrate for HIAC, but the ratings heven't plummeted. If this were panicking, he'd be in a match with Bryan. I'm just sick of this overreacting.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 8, 2013 13:31:28 GMT -5
There's also the remote possibility that when Cena beats Alberto, he then interferes in the WWE title match, allowing Orton to win it, and ushering in a new Two Man Power Trip
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Post by Andrew is Good on Oct 8, 2013 13:44:58 GMT -5
Supposedly, WWE played up Cena's injury worse than it really was That's likely what happened, because if it's not the case, then suspicions of extra help with this injury like steroids seem possible. Either that, or Vince is taking a page from Vince Sr's book, wanting Bruno to come back and wrestle soon after a broken neck against Stan Hansen, injury be damned.
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Post by rybackrulez on Oct 8, 2013 15:05:53 GMT -5
You do get steroids prescribed when you have a torn muscle though
Also i hope cena makes a spinner world title just because
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 8, 2013 15:12:39 GMT -5
No one knows for sure what condition Cena is actually in. Hence, it IS possible he may only be back to transition the belt from Del Rio to Sandow. That wouldn't be idiotic, it would be smart. It would give a lot of heat to Sandow, as well as credibility. Alternately, if he is back for real, letting Cena having a good run with the WHC Title would give it the prestige people feel it has been lacking. If he gets the belt, than he can defend the belt against whomever while Bryan does his own thing. Which why this "panic button" stuff is garbage. He may be there to pop the buyrate for HIAC, but the ratings heven't plummeted. If this were panicking, he'd be in a match with Bryan. I'm just sick of this overreacting. I don't think Cena is getting the belt to restore prestige to it. I think he's getting the title because he and it can keep each other out of the way of the grand scheme of things. Cena winning the WHC is likely the beginning of the end for it. I just cant see Cena winning the World Title only for them to go back to giving it to midcarders. John Cena will likely be the Final World Heavyweight Champion. It's one last accolade they can put on him in the twilight of his career.
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Post by repomark on Oct 8, 2013 15:42:09 GMT -5
This shocked me I have to say, but it is at least an unexpected way to bring him back instead of being thrust instantly into the triple h/d-bry angle as anticipated.
It seems certain Cena wins and with that belt over his shoulder it also seems likely a title unification is approaching. Lots of interesting possibilities with that.
I want Cena v Undertaker for wm30, but am struggling to book it for the unified belt. Unless: Cena beats ADR, D-Bry beats Orton but due to HBK being involved Triple H strips him once again.
Survivor Series tournament for WWE title happens, Cena enters as World Champion and wins the tournament with help from Triple H who names him the real face of WWE. This could be a fully blown heel turn for Cena (ideally) or they could have Triple H and the corporation constantly helping Cena against his will because its best for business for him to be undisputed champion.
A returning undertaker wins the Royal Rumble and challenges Cena at WM30. Meanwhile D-Bry faces Triple H. If there is to be no Rock or Austin, then Punk v Lesnar; if they do agree by some miracle then Punk v Austin and Rock v Lesnar. Voila.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Oct 8, 2013 16:27:46 GMT -5
Well, given that Cena never got a rematch against Bryan for the WWE title... no one else see this leading to an Undisputed Title angle?
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Post by HBL on Oct 8, 2013 16:53:00 GMT -5
Well,hello panic button.
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Post by rybackrulez on Oct 8, 2013 16:55:55 GMT -5
It is only a panic if dbry gets "injured"
So cena steps up after beating del rio to go ahead and beat orton clean and be undisputed champion
Yes i put this out there. And yes i hope it happens now.
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Post by mizerable on Oct 8, 2013 18:15:29 GMT -5
No one knows for sure what condition Cena is actually in. Hence, it IS possible he may only be back to transition the belt from Del Rio to Sandow. That wouldn't be idiotic, it would be smart. It would give a lot of heat to Sandow, as well as credibility. Alternately, if he is back for real, letting Cena having a good run with the WHC Title would give it the prestige people feel it has been lacking. If he gets the belt, than he can defend the belt against whomever while Bryan does his own thing. Which why this "panic button" stuff is garbage. He may be there to pop the buyrate for HIAC, but the ratings heven't plummeted. If this were panicking, he'd be in a match with Bryan. I'm just sick of this overreacting. There is absolutely no reason why Cena needs to be back to transition the belt. This is the WHC, a belt that can very easily be given to anyone. Besides, a cash in on Del Rio isn't going to hurt Sandow or Del Rio or effect either's heat. I pretty much guarendamntee Cena is not dropping the belt to Sandow.
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Post by Wolfaga on Oct 8, 2013 18:27:32 GMT -5
At least it means the end of Del Rio's wretched world title reign. A-BLOODY-MEN I don't mind Cena taking it away from him, I just don't want HIM to carry that again, nor any other title. It sucks so bad that he wouldn't even make the CZW Heavyweight Title relevant.
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Post by mrjl on Oct 8, 2013 18:29:09 GMT -5
it seems to me this is around the appropriate return time for arthroscopic elbow surgery
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Post by Dub H on Oct 8, 2013 19:22:40 GMT -5
to be fair,that is the only thing that could help restore the credibility of the World Title after Del Rio bored it to death.Having someone like Cena hold it and treat like a big deal
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2013 19:25:43 GMT -5
No one knows for sure what condition Cena is actually in. Hence, it IS possible he may only be back to transition the belt from Del Rio to Sandow. That wouldn't be idiotic, it would be smart. It would give a lot of heat to Sandow, as well as credibility. Alternately, if he is back for real, letting Cena having a good run with the WHC Title would give it the prestige people feel it has been lacking. If he gets the belt, than he can defend the belt against whomever while Bryan does his own thing. Which why this "panic button" stuff is garbage. He may be there to pop the buyrate for HIAC, but the ratings heven't plummeted. If this were panicking, he'd be in a match with Bryan. I'm just sick of this overreacting. I do think it would be idiotic to rush your top star back from injury, just to beat a heatless champ and get cashed in on by someone who's been jobbing to everyone not named Santino the past 3 months. Very, very idiotic. Cena would probably laugh at them if they asked him to do that. If I was him I would. Just because he's not facing Bryan right away doesn't mean they're not panicking. Panicking doesn't automatically mean "let's throw away a big rematch, right now!" There's a middle ground between not panicking at all and losing their minds. They lost half a million viewers from one Raw to the next...that's a big drop. And their big angle started off strong but is already starting to show signs of fatigue less than 2 months in, with customers wanting (and getting) refunds on PPVs. The finish of the Battleground main event was a bad sign. That's the best they could come up with? And now the same non-finish match is headlining another PPV. Speaking of being sick of things, I'm sick of being positive turning into being dismissive of people who call it how they see it and aren't really happy with what they're seeing. Honestly, that's how I feel a lot of your posts come off. I doubt it's intentional, but please understand that having a negative opinion of something doesn't automatically = overreacting.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Oct 8, 2013 20:23:18 GMT -5
There is absolutely no reason why Cena needs to be back to transition the belt. This is the WHC, a belt that can very easily be given to anyone. Besides, a cash in on Del Rio isn't going to hurt Sandow or Del Rio or effect either's heat. I pretty much guarendamntee Cena is not dropping the belt to Sandow. Oh please, there's two perfectly good reasons I just mentioned. 1. Give Sandow heat. Which would work, just like it has for others in the past. 2. Get the belt off Del Rio who doesn't need it as it hasn't done anything for him. Cena having it would give it prestige in the audiences' minds. I can't guarantee if Sandow will be a factor right off the bat, but with the briefcase if Cena wins the belt, its a possibility. I do think it would be idiotic to rush your top star back from injury, just to beat a heatless champ and get cashed in on by someone who's been jobbing to everyone not named Santino the past 3 months. Very, very idiotic. Cena would probably laugh at them if they asked him to do that. If I was him I would. Just because he's not facing Bryan right away doesn't mean they're not panicking. Panicking doesn't automatically mean "let's throw away a big rematch, right now!" There's a middle ground between not panicking at all and losing their minds. They lost half a million viewers from one Raw to the next...that's a big drop. And their big angle started off strong but is already starting to show signs of fatigue less than 2 months in, with customers wanting (and getting) refunds on PPVs. The finish of the Battleground main event was a bad sign. That's the best they could come up with? And now the same non-finish match is headlining another PPV. Speaking of being sick of things, I'm sick of being positive turning into being dismissive of people who call it how they see it and aren't really happy with what they're seeing. Honestly, that's how I feel a lot of your posts come off. I doubt it's intentional, but please understand that having a negative opinion of something doesn't automatically = overreacting. Well, you're standards aren't mine. Doing something with Cena that people here didn't even predict is smart. It doesn't matter if Sandow has been jobbing, he gets the belt off Cena even if shenanigans are involved, it gives him a large amount of heat. That's why they let them job before they cash in, its not what they did before, it's everything they do after they cash in that matters. Everything that starts from their reign is where the audience/crowds will take notice. Yes it does. That is exactly how would go down if they were truly panicking. The ratings haven't tanked to that degree anyway, there's nothing for them to panic over. People like the two of you have continuously been dismissive of people like me who are positive about WWE and don't think everything they do is worthy of scorn or ridicule. We're also tired of it being taken so ridiculously serious all the freaking time. Hence the "wait and see" meme.
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Post by mizerable on Oct 8, 2013 20:29:08 GMT -5
[ Oh please, there's two perfectly good reasons I just mentioned. 1. Give Sandow heat. Which would work, just like it has for others in the past. 2. Get the belt off Del Rio who doesn't need it as it hasn't done anything for him. Cena having it would give it prestige in the audiences' minds. I can't guarantee if Sandow will be a factor right off the bat, but with the briefcase if Cena wins the belt, its a possibility. Right, they're going to bring Cena in and risk potentially more damage (again if he's not 100%, then he SHOULDN'T be back) in a simple THROWAWAY match with Sandow. I like Sandow, but he is not someone that is a priority to get over, nor does getting heat from John Cena help him in any way. If anything, the f***ing crowd will support Sandow. And if they need to get the title off Del Rio, why can't one of the other faces do it? Why does this fall on Cena's shoulders? Ziggler would work just as well, give Del Rio a reason to go after him again while Sandow goes onto other stuff, that is with the intention that Sandow somehow wins the title, which I highly highly HIGHLY doubt he will.
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Post by metylerca on Oct 8, 2013 20:37:45 GMT -5
Cena wins. Sandow tries cashing in but eats an AA and a pin for his troubles. And *clears throat* I can't believe I'm saying this... but this would be one of the few times I can see a title unification match happening. Their ratings and PPV buys are slipping and they need the gimmick to get viewers in. Just like the first time they had a unification. Of course, I will still doubt that they'll actually do this. But this is one of those times I wouldn't be surprised if it did occur.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2013 20:40:07 GMT -5
I do think it would be idiotic to rush your top star back from injury, just to beat a heatless champ and get cashed in on by someone who's been jobbing to everyone not named Santino the past 3 months. Very, very idiotic. Cena would probably laugh at them if they asked him to do that. If I was him I would. Just because he's not facing Bryan right away doesn't mean they're not panicking. Panicking doesn't automatically mean "let's throw away a big rematch, right now!" There's a middle ground between not panicking at all and losing their minds. They lost half a million viewers from one Raw to the next...that's a big drop. And their big angle started off strong but is already starting to show signs of fatigue less than 2 months in, with customers wanting (and getting) refunds on PPVs. The finish of the Battleground main event was a bad sign. That's the best they could come up with? And now the same non-finish match is headlining another PPV. Speaking of being sick of things, I'm sick of being positive turning into being dismissive of people who call it how they see it and aren't really happy with what they're seeing. Honestly, that's how I feel a lot of your posts come off. I doubt it's intentional, but please understand that having a negative opinion of something doesn't automatically = overreacting. Well, you're standards aren't mine. Doing something with Cena that people here didn't even predict is smart. It doesn't matter if Sandow has been jobbing, he gets the belt off Cena even if shenanigans are involved, it gives him a large amount of heat. That's why they let them job before they cash in, its not what they did before, it's everything they do after they cash in that matters. Everything that starts from their reign is where the audience/crowds will take notice. Yes it does. That is exactly how would go down if they were truly panicking. The ratings haven't tanked to that degree anyway, there's nothing for them to panic over. People like the two of you have continuously been dismissive of people like me who are positive about WWE and don't think everything they do is worthy of scorn or ridicule. We're also tired of it being taken so ridiculously serious all the freaking time. Hence the "wait and see" meme. Dude, I'm positive quite often. I mean, I even liked Truth vs. Axel from Battleground, this in itself deserves some kind of medal in wrestling fan positivity. You've liked a lot of my posts so I'm obviously not some Negative Nancy out to hate on everything, right? It's not about being positive or negative anyway. To me, filtering every opinion though "must be positive" or "must be negative" leads to a dishonest representation of your actual feelings on the subject. But iff that's your trip, fine. Not to drag him into this but Excellence of Execution manages to be positive without being snotty to people that are negative, and I like that very much. I didn't want this to get heated, but when you come at my first post like "uh, what? how exactly is this panicking etc etc etc?", I found that pretty irritating. Especially when I allowed that it makes a lot of people happy that Cena's coming back. I was nice about it and let it slide, then I see another post of you doing the same thing, so I decided I should say what I thought instead of trying to be nice. I don't recall being dismissive to anyone, nor using the wait and see meme. Let's not have this be some flame war, I just felt like I needed to get that off my mind, and I hoped pointing out that you're coming off dismissive would make you think about how you post a little bit. If you find me dismissive, I'm sorry, and I'll try not to be that way in the future. Deal?
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