Dragonfly
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...is no Barry Windham.
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Post by Dragonfly on Oct 11, 2013 2:52:39 GMT -5
Lol. Like what? I don't get Spike tv any more. So tell me what other wrestling I could be watching? Sure I could watch some spot monkeys do their no-psychology EPIC no sell matches in high school gyms or whatever online, but I'm talking TV. There is NOTHING else. So tired of this. You're complaining about the wrestling on TV but you won't even consider looking at anything else. Agreed. I went to Wrestlemania 27. It was an amazing experience. You know what was an even better experience? Sitting in a freaking library gymnasium in suburban Pittsburgh with 50 people during a major snowstorm just for a chance to see Steve Corino (one of my favorites) wrestle Corey Graves. The fact is, there is good wrestling everywhere, not just on TV or in the WWE. You have to be willing to look for it. And this is coming from person who is actually enjoying the WWE right now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2013 5:40:45 GMT -5
So tired of this. You're complaining about the wrestling on TV but you won't even consider looking at anything else. You are the perfect WWE fan, because you will settle and you already have. You deserve what you're getting. The impetus should be on WWE to be better. If you did something right for years, then stopped doing it right, you should be criticized and you should change. Their presentation and writing is absolutely sub-par compared to how it was. But it doesn't have to be. That's the point people are trying to make. They don't want to give up on WWE. They want WWE to perform to its fullest potential. And it should. Well, that's your opinion isn't it? Some people actually like WWE, as hard as that is to believe. Why change something if it's not broken in a lot of people's minds?
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mrjl
Fry's dog Seymour
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Post by mrjl on Oct 11, 2013 5:48:47 GMT -5
you don't have to settle because WWE knows best, but because WWE is trying to appeal to a lot of different people besides you who may want things very different or slightly different than you do. That's said if you aren't willing to accept that then you don't have to watch so you don't have to settle
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Post by CM Parish on Oct 11, 2013 6:18:52 GMT -5
Lol. Like what? I don't get Spike tv any more. So tell me what other wrestling I could be watching? Sure I could watch some spot monkeys do their no-psychology EPIC no sell matches in high school gyms or whatever online, but I'm talking TV. There is NOTHING else. So tired of this. You're complaining about the wrestling on TV but you won't even consider looking at anything else. You are the perfect WWE fan, because you will settle and you already have. You deserve what you're getting. I could understand someone saying "Like what, there's nothing else on TV?!" in anything other than an ONLINE debate. You're using the Internet now, go and find something else out there.
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Post by Instant Classic on Oct 11, 2013 6:20:39 GMT -5
You don't have to settle for anything. If you are unhappy with what you are seeing, you have every right to change the channel.
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StuntGranny®
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
Not Actually a Granny
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Post by StuntGranny® on Oct 11, 2013 6:21:56 GMT -5
You don't have to, no. Like some have already said, changing the channel is definitely an option.
Does the WWE expect you to settle? I think so. Hell, Battleground was proof of that.
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Arrow
Hank Scorpio
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Post by Arrow on Oct 11, 2013 7:07:32 GMT -5
Could people please for love of God, stop saying change the channel. We're wrestling fans complaining about not liking WWE anymore. We WANT to watch wrestling but there are no alternatives. Impact is just as bad with their clusterf*** booking and angles that go on and on and lead nowhere. Whether you like what WWE is doing or not, you can't honestly say they are doing their best. They've been cutting corners every year for the past decade. Look at Del Rio, they don't even spring for his cars anymore. I mean, they even took away entrance attire. They are actively giving you the bare minimum they can get away with. Here's what I can't figure out: why SHOULD the product improve? If, as you (and by "you", I mean everyone who pursues this line of argument) say, Vince and co. can simply get away with the "bare minimum" and still rely on a dedicated fanbase that'll never really leave, why should they care what you think? Why should they try harder? Apparently, they've already got what they want from you, and your complaints clearly aren't going to mean a thing to them as long as they still have it. Unless you make WWE feel the consequences of not catering to what you want, by removing the support given by your viewership or the money you spend on pay-per-views or merchandise or whatever, then you really have no one else to blame but yourself when management does whatever it feels like, regardless of what you actually want. And wrestling fan or not, I find it very hard to believe anyone could want it badly enough that they'll willingly sit through a three-hour show they claim is such a chore to watch.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 11, 2013 7:23:43 GMT -5
I just take a break when I get bored with it. Works for me.
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SEAN CARLESS
Hank Scorpio
More of a B+ player, actually
I'm Necessary Evil.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Oct 11, 2013 7:28:50 GMT -5
The impetus should be on WWE to be better. If you did something right for years, then stopped doing it right, you should be criticized and you should change. Their presentation and writing is absolutely sub-par compared to how it was. But it doesn't have to be. That's the point people are trying to make. They don't want to give up on WWE. They want WWE to perform to its fullest potential. And it should. Well, that's your opinion isn't it? Some people actually like WWE, as hard as that is to believe. Why change something if it's not broken in a lot of people's minds? Because more people watched, went to house shows, and paid money to view it before. And more people are more important than less people. If WWE could combine their successes elsewhere in their company with the prior appeal of bygone eras via proper booking, they'd make way more money, wrestling would be way more popular, and everyone would be happier. People who like it as is, aren't going to suddenly stop watching because the shows make more sense now, titles mean more and the entire roster is utilized.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2013 7:31:09 GMT -5
I have scaled back my WWE watching alot over recent years, I gave up on Smackdown as it is completely pointless and when you prefer watching with headphones like I do the seagull pops do your head in, I don't watch Main Event as it feels like the third hour of Smackdown, I watch Raw for angle progression and the odd good match but I fast forward a lot of the show (unless the crowd are realy hot then I watch even the rubbish to hear them entertain themseleves and shit all over it)
I did start watching NXT a few weeks ago (I was bitter over Redemption which was my favourite of WWE's shows being cancelled), I hated the new NXT when it started and only dipped in once every now and then, but I'm really impressed with the direction NXT has gone in now, it's gone quite well in to the self aware post-modern post-kayfabe sort of style that Raw has started showing signs of and I think will be the future direction the WWE will go in and is trying to go in (If they don't keep getting cold feet about it all the time) I also enjoy the over the top gimmicks and think the main roster needs more of this.
I only really watch Raw out of habbit and on the off chance something different and new will happen (every time it does it get's shot down, I think that the creative process in WWE is sort of fragmented between the new school and the old school with the new young writers coming in with all these fresh ideas and then every time one gains traction the old guard like Kevin Dunn Hayes and the old boys club shoot them down) NXT is the perfect show for my fandom nowadays.
I've kind of realised that we are in a transistional period right now and despite all the change it looks like is happening in the main product it will all keep getting shot down so I've lowered my expectations and instead getting the fix of what I'm looking for from NXT which is not only a place to see the talent of the future but it also a place to see the product of the future getting fine tuned (I prefer a good product and entertaining storylines and characters over workrate).
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Post by TK The Friendly Robot on Oct 11, 2013 7:38:21 GMT -5
I think there's most definitely a point where you either have to choose whether you want to settle or whether you need to move on and find something else. Even if they can the WWE is never going to cater to ever single demographic out there because they have a fan base that's going to settle and heck even enjoy the product no matter what they do, to a lot of people they are the only show in town and those fans don't think about looking elsewhere because whatever the WWE is doing is good enough for them. That's the point where you have to decide if it's good enough for you or not, and if it's not, at this point you need to move on because the WWE is comfortable enough doing what they're doing and no matter how many complaining drop offs come along, they're not going to change their product to cater to you.
There's a whole plethora of good wrestling out there, maybe not on TV but definitely online, to watch and enjoy. From FWE to PWG and from ROH to Hoodslam. Please, if you can't settle for the WWE anymore go and find something else, there is wrestling out there that can and will fill the void but it's that or nothing sadly because at the moment WWE is moving in one direction and you're moving in another.
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Post by Ishmeal Loves BBL Bayley on Oct 11, 2013 8:04:07 GMT -5
Get rid of cable, pay the eight bucks for Hulu, and watch the 1 1/2 hour condensed version. It has greatly improved my watching experience. I get all the meat and potatoes without 8,000 recaps and commercials.
Granted I do this because I work Monday nights, but it is easier than watching the 3-plus hour live show every week.
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Post by molson5 on Oct 11, 2013 8:12:20 GMT -5
You can do whatever you want. I do think people would be generally happier if they could take the show as it was, tune out when they really weren't into it, but not get personally offended and emotionally disturbed whenever the show doesn't fit their own pre-formed ideas of what's supposed to happen.
People are talking about it being "bad" now. The tone of this board has been negative since it started, as was the tone of the precursor wrestlecrap board it spun off from. It's still probably the most positive board on the internet, but it does sometimes seem like the general/average opinion is there's been maybe 2 good years of the WWE since the mid-90s. So maybe people's expectations are a little unsatisfiable.
But if you go against that general majority and like the show sometimes and not others, there's no need to get angry at the down times, just fast forward through it or watch something else. I'm not super into the current storyline, so I'm not watching as much, and I probably won't buy any PPVs that are built around this storyline. That doesn't mean it's objectively "bad", or that they're wronging me somehow, or that everyone in the world is as disinterested as me.
To me its always going to be the only wrestling show worth watching, I don't care at all about indies or Japanese wrestling, and even if the top storyline doesn't personally click with me, I'll just kind of hang around the periphery of being a fan until something catches my attention. But you can do whatever you want. If you WANT to have a relationship with the WWE that includes you becoming emotionally distraught though, I do think maybe you should consider changing up the dynamics of the relationship.
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Post by xCompackx on Oct 11, 2013 8:20:52 GMT -5
It really just depends what you want from wrestling. If you want memorable storylines and all that, maybe take a break until WrestleMania season if what's on TV right now isn't doing it for you. I personally think the matches we've seen the past few months have been the best in years, but if you don't like who's on Raw or Smackdown, give it a few months and see if anyone new gets called up. Or hell, watch old clips of WWE if the current stuff isn't interesting for you. You certainly don't have to settle if you don't like what they're doing, but at the same time, if you go into it with "WWE is just going to ruin this", you're not going to enjoy anything that they do.
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thirteen3
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Post by thirteen3 on Oct 11, 2013 8:25:13 GMT -5
I don't settle. I don't even watch the product now.
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mrjl
Fry's dog Seymour
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Post by mrjl on Oct 11, 2013 8:27:16 GMT -5
Well, that's your opinion isn't it? Some people actually like WWE, as hard as that is to believe. Why change something if it's not broken in a lot of people's minds? Because more people watched, went to house shows, and paid money to view it before. And more people are more important than less people. If WWE could combine their successes elsewhere in their company with the prior appeal of bygone eras via proper booking, they'd make way more money, wrestling would be way more popular, and everyone would be happier. People who like it as is, aren't going to suddenly stop watching because the shows make more sense now, titles mean more and the entire roster is utilized. you know, these days a lot of things have smaller audiences than they used to. And actually looking at their roster, only a small percentage never do anything. JTG, Yoshi Tatsu, Curt Hawkins, Ezekial Jackson
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Bo Rida
Fry's dog Seymour
Pulled one over on everyone. Got away with it, this time.
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Post by Bo Rida on Oct 11, 2013 9:19:55 GMT -5
In theory WWE should appeal to every fan and cover nearly every aspect of wrestling, naturally that means that as individuals we're highly unlikely to ever have a product that is designed 100% for our tastes so in that sense we have to settle. There will always be wrestlers, segments and angles we don't like but as long as they appeal to a large enough chunk of the audience we just have to accept them (ie some people may be sick of Rey but most of the audience still ove him), similarly there will always be ideas that WWE were right to try but didn't quite work out for whatever reason. We also have to accept that WWE have to produce a lot of content in a relatively short space of time and do much of that live and under pressure from unexpected events (such as injuries).
We don't have to settle for watching people that aren't ready to be on the main roster, poorly written angles that often don't have a proper conclusion (Nexus), anything that insults our intelligence and/or memory, long boring segments, constant pushes for people that aren't over and no pushes for people that are, shit commentary, a general lack of effort, uninterested celebrities, forced angles that just aren't working, humour only Vince finds funny, screwy finishes several PPVs in a row etc.
Oh and OP you're very harsh on the performance centre, the current version has only just fully opened and it's long-term benefits or lack of them won't be apparent for years.
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SEAN CARLESS
Hank Scorpio
More of a B+ player, actually
I'm Necessary Evil.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Oct 11, 2013 9:37:27 GMT -5
Because more people watched, went to house shows, and paid money to view it before. And more people are more important than less people. If WWE could combine their successes elsewhere in their company with the prior appeal of bygone eras via proper booking, they'd make way more money, wrestling would be way more popular, and everyone would be happier. People who like it as is, aren't going to suddenly stop watching because the shows make more sense now, titles mean more and the entire roster is utilized. you know, these days a lot of things have smaller audiences than they used to. And actually looking at their roster, only a small percentage never do anything. JTG, Yoshi Tatsu, Curt Hawkins, Ezekial Jackson Everyone in the attitude era had distinct characters, feuds and angles. They didn't just randomly wrestle and lose midcard matches like the bulk of WWE's non-main eventers today. And today's PPV market has a broader availability than ever before. Yet, WWE gets less buys. Boxing and (UFC for the longest while) were immune to all the so called excuses -- streaming, illegal downloads, other entertainment options, the recession, etc. -- yet WWE on average gets maybe a quarter of the previous eras domestic buys today.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Oct 11, 2013 10:09:46 GMT -5
if you don't enjoy what you're watching there's no reason to settle for something you don't like. simple.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Oct 11, 2013 10:23:26 GMT -5
People are acting like watching WWE is the equivalent of being in a long, loveless marriage. Guess what? You can get a divorce and find happiness elsewhere. You don't have to be in love being miserable unless that is what brings you joy.
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