Sparkybob
King Koopa
I have a status?
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Post by Sparkybob on Oct 10, 2013 21:51:16 GMT -5
You don't have to settle for anything. If you are unhappy with what you are seeing, you have every right to change the channel.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 10, 2013 21:55:19 GMT -5
Honestly, no. That doesn't mean there aren't times where people overreact or worry too much about things, or that you shouldn't enjoy things when they're good, but you should always want the product to be as good as it could be.
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Post by Kayfabe FAN don't want none on Oct 10, 2013 21:58:17 GMT -5
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Chip
Hank Scorpio
Slam Jam Death.
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Post by Chip on Oct 10, 2013 22:04:07 GMT -5
No. I expect the best from the WWE if they are going to present themselves as the best. If you aren't putting the best talent the business has to offer on my TV when it's almost every wrestlers dream to go to the WWE I'm not gonna care and I'm going to look elsewhere to see the best of the business perform.
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Lila
El Dandy
Slip N Slide World Champion 1997
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Post by Lila on Oct 10, 2013 22:05:12 GMT -5
Don't go for second best, baby Put your love to the test
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Oct 10, 2013 22:09:13 GMT -5
I'm 32. I've watched WWF/WWE since I was five. I stopped watching WWE for about five years starting around 2004. I wasn't willing or interested in settling for where the product was going.
If you don't like something, change the channel.
I think they have a great roster & have done quite well with it in regards to entertainment, in regards to the past 3/4 years that I returned to actively watching WWE.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Oct 10, 2013 22:35:52 GMT -5
Could people please for love of God, stop saying change the channel. We're wrestling fans complaining about not liking WWE anymore. We WANT to watch wrestling but there are no alternatives. Impact is just as bad with their clusterf*** booking and angles that go on and on and lead nowhere. Whether you like what WWE is doing or not, you can't honestly say they are doing their best. They've been cutting corners every year for the past decade. Look at Del Rio, they don't even spring for his cars anymore. I mean, they even took away entrance attire. They are actively giving you the bare minimum they can get away with.
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bob
Backup Wench
The "other" Bob. FOC COURSE!
started the Madness Wars, Proudly the #1 Nana Hater on FAN
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Post by bob on Oct 10, 2013 23:09:16 GMT -5
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Post by Jimichiro Likes Erick Rowan on Oct 10, 2013 23:09:59 GMT -5
I'm curious, how much has the "Best for Business" angle changed your feelings on WWE? Speaking for myself, ever since it's started I've pretty much tuned out all together. I find the whole thing insulting, honestly.
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Post by JTG Fan on Oct 10, 2013 23:59:37 GMT -5
I'm 32. I've watched WWF/WWE since I was five. I stopped watching WWE for about five years starting around 2004. I wasn't willing or interested in settling for where the product was going. If you don't like something, change the channel. I think they have a great roster & have done quite well with it in regards to entertainment, in regards to the past 3/4 years that I returned to actively watching WWE. This is exactly how I feel, though my period of not watching was only a year and a half from early 2007 to summer 2008. I recommend it to anyone who finds that they don't get any pleasure out of watching WWE. Also the OP here is so over the top it's insane. Just because YOU don't like it doesn't mean it's clearly the worst thing ever.
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Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on Oct 11, 2013 0:07:07 GMT -5
WWE is the biggest wrestling promotion on the planet. Why I've been so thoroughly entertained and satisfied as a customer and wrestling fan by so many other companies with barely a fraction of the resources WWE has, I don't know.
But I don't think it's my fault. I'm not a self-hating wrestling fan, and I don't hate other wrestling fans, either.
Don't settle. And don't let the wrestling business convince you into the idea that you should settle.
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SEAN CARLESS
Hank Scorpio
More of a B+ player, actually
I'm Necessary Evil.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Oct 11, 2013 0:11:10 GMT -5
How was it that writing was so much better years ago? Because WWE wasn't trying to be something then that it was not. It wasn't sports entertainment. It was an "entertainment" sport. Somewhere along the line, Vince and eventually Stephanie, became convinced that they're not really in the wrestling business, but instead a serious, on-par entertainment medium, written or (over)scripted and acted out like any other fiction television show or movie. They lost sight of what worked and had always worked, how they're perceived, and how they always will be, just so they could justify their insecurities and pretend to be respected and legitimate producers instead of carnies. (which they still are. It may be run in some ways like a studio, but there's far too much vindictive politics, hazing and immaturity going on for them to ever be taken seriously as an equal and respected entertainment company). The truth is: Wrestling is its own unique medium, unlike any other. It's not traditional episodic TV. It's not a variety show. It's a universe wherein predetermined athletic fights are intermingled with larger than life characters doing outlandish things within said sports-league context, that we then suspend disbelief over. Wrestling, when done right, is AMAZING. And WWE has had so many moments that will last the test of time in the past because we BELIEVED in that world. We wanted to. We didn't want to be winked at and told it was fake. We didn't want rehashes of corporate politics wherein the corrupt, rich power monger never gets their true comeuppance. We wanted organic comedy like off the cuff remarks like early Rock & Sock, Mean Street Posse, Bobby Heenan WWF commentary, or realistic one-liners. And not midgets running through painted holes and hokey set-up over-scripted "comedy" that view as if a bad SNL skit. We believed that Earthquake broke Hulk Hogan's ribs and cheered when he came back to right that wrong. We felt genuine emotion when Randy & Liz reunited. We knew Bobby Heenan or Jimmy Hart deserved their beatings, and it never came off as if they didn't have it coming. And we had announcers who actually called matches, from a safe, uninvolved distance, and an authority figure that just showed up to make decisions when it was absolutely necessary. It was a time when being a Champion meant everything. And wins and losses mattered; and winning was how you got title shots; not walking out onto a stage. It worked then because WWE(F) knew what it was, where it was going, and how they would get there. It just ...worked. It doesn't anymore.
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Razor Gives It A 4/10
Unicron
Look At Me and My CRAZY Custom Title!
I'm back...and I'm pretty much the same as before.
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Post by Razor Gives It A 4/10 on Oct 11, 2013 0:21:07 GMT -5
WWE isn't the only girl at the dance. There's PLENTY of alternatives out there.
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Post by Jimichiro Likes Erick Rowan on Oct 11, 2013 0:32:38 GMT -5
How was it that writing was so much better years ago? Because WWE wasn't trying to be something then that it was not. It wasn't sports entertainment. It was an "entertainment" sport. Somewhere along the line, Vince and eventually Stephanie, became convinced that they're not really in the wrestling business, but instead a serious, on-par entertainment medium, written or (over)scripted and acted out like any other fiction television show or movie. They lost sight of what worked and had always worked, how they're perceived, and how they always will be, just so they could justify their insecurities and pretend to be respected and legitimate producers instead of carnies. (which they still are. It may be run in some ways like a studio, but there's far too much vindictive politics, hazing and immaturity going on for them to ever be taken seriously as an equal and respected entertainment company). The truth is: Wrestling is its own unique medium, unlike any other. It's not traditional episodic TV. It's not a variety show. It's a universe wherein predetermined athletic fights are intermingled with larger than life characters doing outlandish things within said sports-league context, that we then suspend disbelief over. Wrestling, when done right, is AMAZING. And WWE has had so many moments that will last the test of time in the past because we BELIEVED in that world. We wanted to. We didn't want to be winked at and told it was fake. We didn't want rehashes of corporate politics wherein the corrupt, rich power monger never gets their true comeuppance. We wanted organic comedy like off the cuff remarks like early Rock & Sock, Mean Street Posse, Bobby Heenan WWF commentary, or realistic one-liners. And not midgets running through painted holes and hokey set-up over-scripted "comedy" that view as if a bad SNL skit. We believed that Earthquake broke Hulk Hogan's ribs and cheered when he came back to right that wrong. We felt genuine emotion when Randy & Liz reunited. We knew Bobby Heenan or Jimmy Hart deserved their beatings, and it never came off as if they didn't have it coming. And we had announcers who actually called matches, from a safe, uninvolved distance, and an authority figure that just showed up to make decisions when it was absolutely necessary. It was a time when being a Champion meant everything. And wins and losses mattered; and winning was how you got title shots; not walking out onto a stage. It worked then because WWE(F) knew what it was, where it was going, and how they would get there. It just ...worked. It doesn't anymore. Sums up about how I feel. 2013 is/was a pivotal year for WWE IMO, because it's the year it solidified that it was no longer a wrestling promotion, but truly is a publically traded corporation that uses professional wrestling "sports entertainment" as it's entertainment vessel. For as much as Vince is proclaimed to be a genius, he - and the rest of the McMahon's - are such marks for mainstream popularity and acceptance. And because of that is why WWE is the way it is now. And it's angles like the "Best for Business" story that just make me want to grab Vince by the shoulders and scream in his face "Scrap this garbage and just embrace what you are!" Fans either are sick of or don't care about corporate takeovers and the McMahon's family power struggles. Wrestling, at it's most basic core, is incredibly simple. We don't need angles with Breaking Bad levels of depth. Just pair up two guys that people will pay money to see fight. That's it.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Oct 11, 2013 0:54:24 GMT -5
WWE isn't the only girl at the dance. There's PLENTY of alternatives out there. Lol. Like what? I don't get Spike tv any more. So tell me what other wrestling I could be watching? Sure I could watch some spot monkeys do their no-psychology EPIC no sell matches in high school gyms or whatever online, but I'm talking TV. There is NOTHING else. BTW I know it seems like I'm hating on the product like the OP but I'm not. They've actually improved from the guest host era but in ways it's worse because there are showing a lot of potential with this youth movement but it's so frustratingly up and down. A couple weeks ago there was a run of three consecutive awesome Raws and Smackdowns but just like that, it's been crap again. Los Matadors? In 2013? Gimme a break.
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Razor Gives It A 4/10
Unicron
Look At Me and My CRAZY Custom Title!
I'm back...and I'm pretty much the same as before.
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Post by Razor Gives It A 4/10 on Oct 11, 2013 0:57:14 GMT -5
WWE isn't the only girl at the dance. There's PLENTY of alternatives out there. Lol. Like what? I don't get Spike tv any more. So tell me what other wrestling I could be watching? Sure I could watch some spot monkeys do their no-psychology EPIC no sell matches in high school gyms or whatever online, but I'm talking TV. There is NOTHING else. On TV, no not really, but most of it is online. My favorite alternatives are PWG, Chikara/Wrestling Is, and NJPW, all of which aren't too difficult to find online.
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Malcolm
Grimlock
Wanted something done about the color of his ring.
May contain ADHD
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Post by Malcolm on Oct 11, 2013 1:02:06 GMT -5
WWE isn't the only girl at the dance. There's PLENTY of alternatives out there. Lol. Like what? I don't get Spike tv any more. So tell me what other wrestling I could be watching? Sure I could watch some spot monkeys do their no-psychology EPIC no sell matches in high school gyms or whatever online, but I'm talking TV. There is NOTHING else. Where I'm at, we have TCW, Ring of Honor, Future Stars of Wrestling, and AWA Anarchy Wrestling and these are on OTA. But not everyone gets these everywhere so in some cases there really is nothing else and that disturbs(and saddens) me. Heck, I'm saddened that WWE isn't on OTA TV anymore(I know ION is technically OTA, but it's only on cable in Vegas. Stupid Vegas...)
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Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on Oct 11, 2013 1:07:31 GMT -5
WWE isn't the only girl at the dance. There's PLENTY of alternatives out there. Lol. Like what? I don't get Spike tv any more. So tell me what other wrestling I could be watching? Sure I could watch some spot monkeys do their no-psychology EPIC no sell matches in high school gyms or whatever online, but I'm talking TV. There is NOTHING else. So tired of this. You're complaining about the wrestling on TV but you won't even consider looking at anything else. You are the perfect WWE fan, because you will settle and you already have. You deserve what you're getting.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Oct 11, 2013 1:13:55 GMT -5
I'm curious, how much has the "Best for Business" angle changed your feelings on WWE? Speaking for myself, ever since it's started I've pretty much tuned out all together. I find the whole thing insulting, honestly. Personally, it's the most interesting main event angle WWE's done in years, and I say that as someone who isn't a fan of any of the wrestlers involved (which may help, since they're all being made to look like inept idiots to one extent or another). Losing Cena temporarily does open up new storytelling avenues, precisely because this is the B-team and none of these guys are positioned as strongly as him, making what happens next a whole lot less predictable. On the flipside, the only really kickass new main event star WWE's created in years is out injured at the moment, which reduces my interest significantly. So it all balances out.
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SEAN CARLESS
Hank Scorpio
More of a B+ player, actually
I'm Necessary Evil.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Oct 11, 2013 1:44:38 GMT -5
Lol. Like what? I don't get Spike tv any more. So tell me what other wrestling I could be watching? Sure I could watch some spot monkeys do their no-psychology EPIC no sell matches in high school gyms or whatever online, but I'm talking TV. There is NOTHING else. So tired of this. You're complaining about the wrestling on TV but you won't even consider looking at anything else. You are the perfect WWE fan, because you will settle and you already have. You deserve what you're getting. The impetus should be on WWE to be better. If you did something right for years, then stopped doing it right, you should be criticized and you should change. Their presentation and writing is absolutely sub-par compared to how it was. But it doesn't have to be. That's the point people are trying to make. They don't want to give up on WWE. They want WWE to perform to its fullest potential. And it should.
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