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Post by Glitch on Oct 27, 2013 15:29:13 GMT -5
I love the whole 'Company existing stops talented guys going to the WWE' notion, it's a branch of the same wrongheaded thought tree that brought us 'WCW stealing talent from ECW'. Their contracts have expired on more than one occasion in the past few years and in the window the WWE could have sent out feelers, they have not, or what they were offering was less than what they would get for staying in TNA. Guys with all the talent in the world like Austin Aries (They didn't even want him for tough enough) and Christopher Daniels waited for the WWE but that call didn't come so what, they're supposed to shake their heads and say 'No thanks TNA, while you're offering us several times what ROH can pay, a gig on TV and freedom to pursue other projects, I think I'm going to wait for WWE to come calling and accept less money for more work on the indy scene, assuming I get paid at all.' You should try asking guys who were active wrestlers when the WWE became the only game in town how wonderful it was to have the opportunity to have no steady work so they could wait for the WWE to hire them, and fans how wonderful wrestling was to watch at that time. TNA are not the best place to work, but good lord, the WWE has chewed up and spat out several hundred guys in the past 10 years, and I would be amazed if the number of guys who got a second chance after that treatment actually reaches more than two dozen. WWE do not have infinite roster space and TV time and there is no guarantee of being signed by them no matter how talented you are, people really, really need to get that notion out of their heads. I know people like to say 'Blah blah, WWE uses indy guys right now!', as god knows, the WWE is consistent about how it uses talent and there is no chance they will re-evaluate everything because of a small bump in the road and start hiring former footballers and Orton clones again. But yeah, having more places to work is bad for wrestling... Honestly, if Roode, Joe, Magnus, Aries, Styles and so on all left to go to the WWE, in 6 months people would be making the same arguments about the people brought in to replace them being too good for TNA, even if they're former developmental guys like Luke Gallows who've had to wrestle in plaes like Nigeria as the WWE hasn't looked twice at them since their departure because that's just how it goes. As for nothing happening in TNA mattering, nothing happening in either of the big two matters anymore. Everyone is horrendously overexposed and long term booking is dead, look how often everyone that isn't Cena flips from face to heel to face to heel, look how often belts are just tossed around to keep guys waists warm and how many people are in a the title holding pattern, where it's not a matter of if they'll ever be in the title scene again but when, that's not a TNA problem, that's a wrestling problem. The WWE is keeping buyrates up using guys who were over near enough 10 years ago on several times the money of anyone else on the roster which is unsustainable in the long term, ask WCW how well that worked out for them, or heck, TNA. Say what you want about TNA rehashing storylines from the past 2 years, at least the one they're doing currently is one they've never done before, and not the same evil boss versus upstart face the WWE is currently running with, the same one that they do once every two years as regular as clockwork, as god knows, McMahon family drama never gets old. Exactly. Not only that, but it has been recently been made clear that WWE doesb not want anybody from TNA or the indies. They only want to sign people they would have start from scratch themselves. They are also not looking for anymore smaller wrestlers. They think wrestlers working in non-WWE promotions have bad habits.
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Post by jimmyjames on Oct 27, 2013 15:32:29 GMT -5
I also believe R-Truth did not leave WWE on bad terms. There was also an interview were Road Dogg mentioned how his substance issues hurt Truth and their tag team, so that probably played a big role in Vince bringing him coming back.
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Post by jakes on Oct 27, 2013 15:36:32 GMT -5
Exactly. Not only that, but it has been recently been made clear that WWE doesb not want anybody from TNA or the indies. They only want to sign people they would have start from scratch themselves. They are also not looking for anymore smaller wrestlers. They think wrestlers working in non-WWE promotions have bad habits.Yeah, that's their mentality. They think it is better to start people from scratch with them only knowing their own way than it is to undo so called bad habits people learn outside of WWE. This is one of many reasons why people should never expect to see TNA talents find work with WWE if TNA were to fold. WWE thinks their way is the only way to go.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Oct 27, 2013 16:52:04 GMT -5
Bad habits could mean a number of things. How often do people here complain about flippy shit spots that make no sense in the grand scheme of a match? Or not being able to tell a story during matches? Or working stiff to the point its a shootfight? What about a wrestler who is out of shape or have a bad attitude? Let's face it, a number of wrestlers suffer from this. WWE is advocating a return to the Clone Factory days. They want the best. The elite of indie workers. People who fit into their system, not clog up the machine. Hell, TNA want wrestlers who fit into their ideology. It hard to believe that Gunner is worthy of a contract more than Sugar Dunkenton but that is how the powers that be in TNA feel.
As been stated if WWE wants someone, they will pursue them. Storm and Roode were on WWE's radar years ago but WWE no longer wants them. Daniels was a free agent for almost a year and WWE didn't make him any offers. When Tara first left TNA, she tried to go back and WWE said no. Same for Angelina Love. WWE gave contracts to Lance Hoyt, Consequences Creed, Trytan, and others so the idea they don't want you because you wrestled in TNA isn't completely true. If they want you, they will try to get you.
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Toates Madhackrviper
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Oct 29, 2013 20:47:14 GMT -5
The "damaged goods" argument makes no sense. Not enough people watch TNA, Noone knew what R-Truth had been doing in TNA and he was able to debut as basically a new character, it would be the same basic thing if Roode or someone went to WWE. The WWE can present a guy like Roode however they want to, because most fans in the audience won't know who the hell he is.
Also that building people from scratch thing seems like blatant NEWZ to me. Doesn't even make any sense with WWE's recent hiring practices. I'm sure they'll be using the performance center to build some guys from scratch, but I'm sure they'll also continue to sign top indy talent as well.
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