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Post by A Platypus Rave on Oct 22, 2013 9:18:32 GMT -5
I highly doubt Y2J and RVD care much as long as they get a check. Jericho seemed to care somewhat on his Twitter, saying that Triple H wasn't the top guy either, and Jericho seems perfectly fine touring with Fozzy and making his money there. Because Jericho never tried to work the smarks on twitter before.
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Post by Goon on Oct 22, 2013 9:26:13 GMT -5
Which lets be honest if any of these guys were THE GUY "something about business failing" . "..., we would all be working for Ted Turner." was what he said IIRC.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Oct 22, 2013 9:26:45 GMT -5
I..I honestly have no words. Triple H, his entire character since this angle started is all about playing up the Internets perception of him. They mention it's a reign of terror, the massive ego stroking, delusions of grandeur, even throwing the idea that the fans should only cheer for who HE wants to be the face, not their choice. So, after several weeks of playing up those aspects he comes out, does the ONE THING that he's always been criticized for-'burying' others- and practically everybody forgets he's been playing a heel and automatically assumes it was a legit shoot comment designed to make those guys look bad for...some reason. It's amazing truly amazing how easily some people can be worked.
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Post by amaron on Oct 22, 2013 9:29:02 GMT -5
I..I honestly have no words. Triple H, his entire character since this angle started is all about playing up the Internets perception of him. They mention it's a reign of terror, the massive ego stroking, delusions of grandeur, even throwing the idea that the fans should only cheer for who HE wants to be the face, not their choice. So, after several weeks of playing up those aspects he comes out, does the ONE THING that he's always been criticized for-'burying' others- and practically everybody forgets he's been playing a heel and automatically assumes it was a legit shoot comment designed to make those guys look bad for...some reason. It's amazing truly amazing how easily some people can be worked. Nevermind the fact that what he said was true.
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Post by Germansuplex on Oct 22, 2013 9:36:46 GMT -5
It's a work, brother.
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Post by molson5 on Oct 22, 2013 9:40:53 GMT -5
I think Meltzer said the same thing when CM Punk was heeling Bruno Sammartino. Sammartino understood that Punk was a heel character.
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Post by mizerable on Oct 22, 2013 9:48:31 GMT -5
The reason why it's so dumb is that it makes no sense.
Triple H is basically saying that the Corporation says who is and who isn't worthy of being "the guy", which is implying that even if you're really good, you still don't have a chance to be the top guy unless they are bankable for the company. It's fine if they want to establish this idea that now that he's in control, that Triple H is going to hand select what's best for business. Instead, he's bring up all these other people from the past, saying that it's been going on for a long time.
And to think, all these years, kayfabe-wise that Hogan, Diesel, Austin, Triple H didn't all got there because of their hard work. Instead, they were cherry-picked by the company because they were "what's best for business" and that they'll all draw many dimes and everyone will be happy.
Better yet, since they aren't elaborating too much on what exactly he's talking about, the same way when someone shoots about the company holding him down, a very large portion of the audience doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. For a company that continually tries to push for this family image, it doesn't help when these story passages are so transparent and rely heavily on pre-existing notions or ones they make up on the spot (Big Show's poverty), that it's impossible to really care due to the confusion.
This is Russo writing. Blurring the lines is f***ing dumb. If you do want to blur the lines...DON'T BRING UP THE PAST!! That only insults the fans who were engaged at that time. You don't go to a Broadway musical, only to show up next week where they expose all the stupidity going on backstage while trying to maintain that this is part of the exact show you watched last week.
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Post by Red Impact on Oct 22, 2013 9:51:50 GMT -5
He said to Bryan It needs to be said by someone.You are just like Jericho,RVD,Edge. The are all great worked don't get me wrong,the were really popular but they were never THE GUY.Which lets be honest if any of these guys were THE GUY "something about business failing" .Something along these lines That they'd be working for Ted Turner now was how he finished it. Yeah, I didn't think much of it, and I think both those guys are smart enough to get "heel authority figure" at his stagein their careers.
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Post by Juice on Oct 22, 2013 10:00:36 GMT -5
And I highly doubt Jericho if offered will turn down A nice mania check. He is not dumb. That's the point. If they don't show up by Wrestlemania then Meltzer believes that it's it's the stupidest promo in wrestling history. We're not saying that they wouldn't show up for a 'Mania paycheck, what we're saying is that if that remark wasn't angle advancement then it was a total waste and a shot at one great wrestler (Y2J) and a good wrestler who was just fighting for the World Heavyweight Championship (RVD) which was totally un-needed. good thing it's just the opinion of a bloated inflated ego of a non mattering "journalist"-term used loosely.
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Post by Snaptastic on Oct 22, 2013 10:07:28 GMT -5
D-Bry just pissed me off (not really but still) last night by AGAIN forgetting to bring up that HHH himself always played second fiddle to Austin, Rock, Lesnar then Cena.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Oct 22, 2013 10:10:03 GMT -5
How f***ing long have RVD and Jericho been in the business? Meltzer is acting like they don't understand the idea that wrestling heels *GASP* say things that aren't true.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Oct 22, 2013 10:10:22 GMT -5
D-Bry just pissed me off (not really but still) last night by AGAIN forgetting to bring up that HHH himself always played second fiddle to Austin, Rock, Lesnar then Cena. That's not entirely true, he was quite obviously pushed as the top guy on Raw during the "Reign of terror," despite being heel. You could argue that it doesn't count because of the heel stuff but still.
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Post by The Masked Heel WAS WRONG on Oct 22, 2013 10:11:07 GMT -5
Whatta mark.
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Post by Snaptastic on Oct 22, 2013 10:15:52 GMT -5
D-Bry just pissed me off (not really but still) last night by AGAIN forgetting to bring up that HHH himself always played second fiddle to Austin, Rock, Lesnar then Cena. That's not entirely true, he was quite obviously pushed as the top guy on Raw during the "Reign of terror," despite being heel. You could argue that it doesn't count because of the heel stuff but still. Well during that time I found myself watching Smackdown more than RAW. But even during his reign of terror, he didn't main event Mania 19 which was passed to the top guy at the time in Lesnar. You could argue 2004, but he was sharing it with a number of other guys. Obviously thereafter it was Cena's spot and has remained since. He was pushed as the top guy during that time, but ultimately he was never the most over overall and I can't think of a definitive time where you could say HHH was the man. Just my opinion of course.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Oct 22, 2013 10:19:53 GMT -5
See, this argument I can understand. Saying that it is a story point that makes no sense is a legitimate criticism - albeit one I don't agree with.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Oct 22, 2013 10:20:09 GMT -5
We are in the Business Era. Where the people who claim they are too smart to be work get worked.
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Post by khali on Oct 22, 2013 10:26:20 GMT -5
In matters of Jericho, it should be kept in mind that Alvarez and Meltzer are very close to Lance Storm who is in turn very close to Jericho. Jericho has even been on their podcast many times and has been very open about stuff (like how he didn't want to wrestle Fandango). There might not be any inside information on this, but I'm just saying that these guys aren't completely in the dark about things, and actually have connections.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Oct 22, 2013 10:32:28 GMT -5
normally I'm not one for HHHate, but that was pretty blatantly him just being bitter and trying to bury guys who were just plain better than him. the sad thing is, I think the person that believes WWE's propaganda about Triple H being on the level with Hogan and Austin the most is Triple H himself. hell, he was always the 3rd banana at best, and that's when he was on top.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 22, 2013 10:35:39 GMT -5
D-Bry just pissed me off (not really but still) last night by AGAIN forgetting to bring up that HHH himself always played second fiddle to Austin, Rock, Lesnar then Cena. Do you genuinely believe that the company that sent a memo to THQ to not show HHH in a position of weakness in all their WWE game publicity screenshots would flat out let anybody say on TV that HHH wasn't really an A+ player?
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Post by sportatorium on Oct 22, 2013 10:38:23 GMT -5
Honestly I thought it was a setup to bring the three of them back in for Survivor Series. Edge in the corner, Jericho & RVD on a SS team w/ Daniel Bryan. They could also feature HHH trying to recruit Rock, Taker & Brock as his A players just to be turned down.
As for Meltzer worrying about it. Heels are supposed to get heat. It would have been a better line coming from the guy (Orton) that is actually wrestling the match, but a good heel line nonetheless.
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