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Post by Snaptastic on Oct 22, 2013 10:58:02 GMT -5
D-Bry just pissed me off (not really but still) last night by AGAIN forgetting to bring up that HHH himself always played second fiddle to Austin, Rock, Lesnar then Cena. Do you genuinely believe that the company that sent a memo to THQ to not show HHH in a position of weakness in all their WWE game publicity screenshots would flat out let anybody say on TV that HHH wasn't really an A+ player? Whilst you hold a valid point, with the level of self awareness they're showing as of late...one can hope that they would.
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Post by BR329 on Oct 22, 2013 11:02:39 GMT -5
This is hilarious coming from a guy who called AJ a "Belt Mark".
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2013 11:14:36 GMT -5
most of Jericho's "shoot" comments are the definition of worked shoot.
It's highly likely HHH even told him in advance what he was going to say and Jericho said "sure go for it".
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Post by rybackrulez on Oct 22, 2013 11:16:27 GMT -5
I kinda felt like that line was out of place, especially when Jericho and RVD are guys who could literally decide to sail their ship somewhere else. I'm sure HHH said it and thought he was just being edgy but everything is ego in the pro-wrestling business and that kind of comment can and will piss people off. It is stupid though. You give rvd and y2j big money come when you want to contracts. Then bury them for no reason. Especially when they were being billed as legendary figures when they were on the show. Of course they were part of hhh's burial run in 02-05. So it makes sense. Plus jericho responded via twitter.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2013 11:17:20 GMT -5
This really sounds like another one of those Hunner lines where you don't really have "heat" in the sense you'd pay to see someone kick his ass, but "heat" in the sense you wonder why the hell he even said it and if it's going to lead to anything.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Oct 22, 2013 11:21:25 GMT -5
Triple H is a power hungry ego-maniac character!
HE'S A BAD GUY. Good lord.
Were people wondering if Elizabeth cheated on Macho Man with Flair back in the day too?
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Post by rybackrulez on Oct 22, 2013 11:22:41 GMT -5
It wasn't cheating
He boned liz before macho man did
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Post by Push R Truth on Oct 22, 2013 11:24:03 GMT -5
One other thing brought up here that bugs me... "HHH was second/third fiddle".
You can argue all day if that is true or not, that's not what bugs me. What bugs me is that there isn't a single company out there (except maybe TNA or Major League Baseball) that would say " OH yeah, the stars we have right now suck compared to guys that are no longer on contract. These guys are obviously subpar compared to the GREATS that no longer work here."
What I'm saying is if Val Venis was the only guy left on contract from the Attitude Era, they would play him up as if he was one of the GREATEST OF ALL TIME from that era. That's just what happens. Walk into any indy show and if Greg Valentine is wrestling, he'll be treated like a God from a bygone era. Hell, Rob Conway gets billed as a monster because he's the biggest guy NWA has left.
Ten years from now if Cena/Orton/Sheamus/Del Rio/Cm Punk/Bryan were all gone yet Kofi was still on contract, Kofi would be talking about how he was one of the greatest superstars from this era and the announcers would agree. He obviously wasn't, but that's how business works.
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Post by Chip on Oct 22, 2013 11:25:56 GMT -5
Is this going to be one of those things we remember years down the line and make fun of Hunter for, despite NOBODY else giving a shit or remembering?
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Post by ________ has left the building on Oct 22, 2013 11:26:00 GMT -5
It wasn't cheating He boned liz before macho man did Flair and Heenan created a lie about Miss Elizabeth shacking up with Ric to get in the head of Savage.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2013 11:33:09 GMT -5
Is this going to be one of those things we remember years down the line and make fun of Hunter for, despite NOBODY else giving a shit or remembering? It's definitely going to be one of those lines that is used to establish a pattern of Hunner not knowing how to insult faces without undercutting their characters.
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Post by TK The Friendly Robot on Oct 22, 2013 11:33:47 GMT -5
I still don't understand the people in this thread who are repeatedly throwing out quips about "heelin'" and "working the smarks" as if that completely absolves the fact that it was a silly comment to make if it's not going anywhere. Surely for it to be a successful work in the first place it needs to be leading to something, and the whole argument is that if it isn't leading to something then it's ridiculous. We can go on and on about how it's pissing off the smarks and it's drawing heat but the whole point is that the same heat could have been drawn with 100 and 1 different, less stupid comments, and anyway is working the smarks really what they should be doing right now? The fact is that the internet fans stream most PPVs and they don't put as much money in the pockets of the WWE than the millions of jimmies and their parents do so surely it should be those guys that need to get worked? It's not as if him badmouthing Jericho and RVD will have the smart fans lining up in droves to buy HIaC is it? It's not as if it's going to get the casual fans to buy into Bryan as the #1 is it? So that means that unless it leads to an angle, it's extremely redundant.
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Post by baerrtt on Oct 22, 2013 11:40:41 GMT -5
^ Those comments he made add to what this angle has been about...manifesting the assumption smarks have had over the years about why certain guys haven't had the opportunity to be 'the one'. Bryan got a clean win over Cena for the WWE title after months of months growing popularity with all corners of the fanbase yet was screwed simply because he doesn't fit the company's standard in the way Jericho and RVD perhaps didn't.
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Post by Steveweiser on Oct 22, 2013 11:53:35 GMT -5
This is hilarious coming from a guy who called AJ a "Belt Mark". He wasn't actually the one who called her that - he was reporting that wrestlers and staff backstage called her that.
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Post by mizerable on Oct 22, 2013 12:01:49 GMT -5
^ Those comments he made add to what this angle has been about...manifesting the assumption smarks have had over the years about why certain guys haven't had the opportunity to be 'the one'. Bryan got a clean win over Cena for the WWE title after months of months growing popularity with all corners of the fanbase yet was screwed simply because he doesn't fit the company's standard in the way Jericho and RVD perhaps didn't. So...is Triple H implying that they didn't become champion more often or have the show revolve around them because they weren't up to company standard? Again...it's a stupid statement. It's like his thing with Edge. That Edge never drew a dime. Let's just break this down a bit. Triple H makes the comment of "great wrestler", and that to me needs to fall under one of two categories; 1. Achieved success through popularity, championships and longevity. May or may not be a great technician. 2. Is a great entertainer, can go out there and put on great matches. May or may not have kayfabe success. So...going back to Edge, who kind of falls under both categories...how does one even say he "never drew a dime"? It's like Triple H is trying to bring up a 3rd option stating the amount of money a guy makes for a company. However, this is a stat that isn't monitored by the fanbase, nor is any information given to us depending on what he's exactly talking about. That IS a stupid statement to push forward a storyline. And again, I must go back to the idea of "great wrestler". Because in the strictest sense of kayfabe, "great wrestler" should depend on how successful you are. If you're going out there and busting your ass and you're still curtain jerking, you're still not one of the greats. (I guess the only ideal way this would make sense is if you were in a tag team and never made it as champions because you had a shitty tag partner who would lose the matches, much like a lot of real great athletes have to compensate for bad teams.)To use the definition of "great wrestler" and then project this idea of "face of the company" and whatnot...it makes absolutely no sense. Again, Triple H is the big bad heel, who may say things that don't make sense, but I'd prefer if he didn't.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Oct 22, 2013 12:04:47 GMT -5
While I'm pretty sure Jericho was just working fans on his twitter, I wouldn't be all that shocked either if he wasn't thrilled with what Triple H said. Jericho mentioned in his 2nd book how Triple H threw his name into a promo and told Jericho he thought he'd get a laugh out of it, but Jericho wasn't really amused. Throughout the book it is also pretty evident that Jericho and Triple H never really saw eye-to-eye.
As for RVD, I don't think he'd really care. He pretty much seems content to get paid for a little bit and then take a break.
I don't think it was the stupidest ever. I wish they would've pointed out Triple H was never the guy (though Shawn did point out that people said Hunter could never be the face of a company). I also think the promo would have been more effective if he used people other than Edge and Jericho since both are multi-time world champs. RVD I get because of his issues and injuries, but the other 2 weren't really good points I feel.
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Post by spagett on Oct 22, 2013 12:05:38 GMT -5
I've always thought that if Triple h hadn't married Stephanie he'd have been on the same level as Jericho, RVD and Edge.
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Post by vanboxmeer on Oct 22, 2013 13:01:58 GMT -5
The "new kayfabe" hasn't drawn a dime and Bryan was far more over before this "new kayfabe" storyline even took place. So it's either ego-stroking or an utter failure of a storyline. Take your pick, both are shit. Barely different than Russo going on national television and saying "So now I'm supposed to be a chickenshit heel" to zero reaction to the live crowd and tons of discussion to the smark audience claiming both sides of "you're getting worked".
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Oct 22, 2013 13:28:56 GMT -5
I've always thought that if Triple h hadn't married Stephanie he'd have been on the same level as Jericho, RVD and Edge. Bollocks. Triple H was being groomed for the main event well before he was with Stephanie, even in the same class as Rock and Austin.
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Post by Steveweiser on Oct 22, 2013 13:34:07 GMT -5
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