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Post by Glitch on Oct 23, 2013 20:23:00 GMT -5
pretty much jobbers? If Hogan could secure spots for his buddies, I wonder why Bret didn't go to bat for them. Maybe not into the nwo angle, but somewhere in the mid card where guys like Raven were at. WCW payed a shit load for Bret, so You'd think he'd have some clout backstage. I could understand why No Hart Foundation type stable but you'd think they would at least be in the tv title range.
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Post by JTG Fan on Oct 23, 2013 20:48:56 GMT -5
They both seemed pretty heavily into the auto-pilot, collect a paycheck mode.
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Post by cabbageboy on Oct 23, 2013 22:10:24 GMT -5
Yeah I think if you look from a W/L perspective they probably won more than they lost, but let's not kid ourselves here. Neidhart had nothing to offer at that point, especially after the unceremonious way he exited the WWF. Bulldog was clearly ailing and not 100% in WCW even before the Warrior trap door incident (I think he tore up his knee wrestling with Shane in the Montreal aftermath?). WCW did try to push Bulldog a bit in early 1998, but he was so clearly deteriorated that it didn't last long. They really shouldn't have ever left the WWF.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2013 12:25:19 GMT -5
They both seemed pretty heavily into the auto-pilot, collect a paycheck mode. Not only that but they were probably drugged up all the time.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Oct 24, 2013 12:40:44 GMT -5
pretty much jobbers? If Hogan could secure spots for his buddies, I wonder why Bret didn't go to bat for them. Maybe not into the nwo angle, but somewhere in the mid card where guys like Raven were at. WCW payed a shit load for Bret, so You'd think he'd have some clout backstage. I could understand why No Hart Foundation type stable but you'd think they would at least be in the tv title range. Bret's booking from day 1 kinda shows he had very little clout backstage, I mean, despite being part of one of the most controversial moments in wrestling history and being able to say he wasn't beaten for the WWF title, they decided the best use of his talent and momentum was as a ref in a match between two announcers. I think at that stage in their careers, they were both lucky to be there at all, Jim Neidhart hadn't been of much value to a company since the end of his days in the Hart Foundation Tag Team and Bulldog's run as a lower midcarder (pre Hart foundation) and injuries worked against him.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Oct 24, 2013 12:55:17 GMT -5
reading between the lines, Bischoff wanted Bret and was somewhat interested in Owen (though Vince refused to release Owen), but only signed the other 2 as a favor to Bret because both had huge financial issues
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Post by bob on Oct 24, 2013 12:59:03 GMT -5
If I had to guess Bischoff brought them in solely as a favor to Bret to make him feel more comfortable in WCW.
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Post by thegame415 on Oct 24, 2013 14:29:27 GMT -5
pretty much jobbers? I wonder why Bret didn't go to bat for them. Because Bret was still on deck himself...
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Oct 24, 2013 16:19:50 GMT -5
Calling them jobbers is stretching it but whenever they did appear on WCW programming it was clear neither of them gave a shit and were phoning it in.
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Post by AnActualBear on Oct 25, 2013 15:43:26 GMT -5
The only thing I remember about their WCW run is those AWFUL tag matches they did with Curt Hennig and Brian Adams. Good god were they atrocious.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2013 8:55:25 GMT -5
Yeah I think if you look from a W/L perspective they probably won more than they lost, but let's not kid ourselves here. Neidhart had nothing to offer at that point, especially after the unceremonious way he exited the WWF. Bulldog was clearly ailing and not 100% in WCW even before the Warrior trap door incident (I think he tore up his knee wrestling with Shane in the Montreal aftermath?). WCW did try to push Bulldog a bit in early 1998, but he was so clearly deteriorated that it didn't last long. They really shouldn't have ever left the WWF. That and Bulldog had to pay a lot of money to get out of his contract. So, taking the check was probably the best thing he could do. Neidhart, OTOH, was only working on a nightly basis by the time Montreal happened, so it was no big loss that he was gone. (He did stay an extra week to do that "new member of DX" swerve, then they cut him.) If WCW was gonna throw big money at Neidhart, I would send them a thank-you card.
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Post by CM Dazz on Oct 26, 2013 11:03:47 GMT -5
I barely remember Neidhart in WCW. How long was he there? Was he tagging with Bulldog? Did he do anything of note?
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Post by SOR on Oct 26, 2013 11:33:15 GMT -5
I always thought Davey Boy should of had a TV Title run in WCW. Maybe even the US Title.
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Post by y4j1981 on Oct 26, 2013 11:43:41 GMT -5
quick questions about this time frame, one why didnt Vince just let Owen out too? Did he see more money potential in him I guess? And, why did Neidhart get the big DX beat down thing and no one else?
Plus when they came to WCW they did a couple angles where them three were gonna look out for each other after dealing with beat downs and run ins during their matches. So if during a Bulldog match someone ran in trying to cause him to lose Bret or Neidhart would come out to help. But then at one point...I think it was Bulldog was in a match were..I wanna say Curt maybe...put him in a figure four around the ring pole and ended up getting himself DQed for not letting go. And has he held on the hold after the bell I knew that when Bret didnt come out (neither did Neidhart but whatever) that Bret was turning heel soon and bam he did.
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Post by hassanchop on Oct 26, 2013 16:28:05 GMT -5
The only thing I remember about Bulldog and Neidhart was that tag match they had against Luger and Bret. At first I thought Hart was gonna join them to beat down Luger, until he turned on those two and became his partner. I always thought this was the set up for a hart Foundation reunion. The other thing I vaguely remember is Bulldog challenging Alex Wright saying something in German and doing a half crotch chop saying suck it.
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Post by y4j1981 on Oct 26, 2013 17:19:36 GMT -5
At first I thought Luger was gonna join them to beat down Luger, until he turned on those two and became his partner.
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Post by hassanchop on Oct 26, 2013 17:33:46 GMT -5
At first I thought Hart was gonna join them to beat down Luger, until he turned on those two and became his partner. Oops. My mistake. Fixed that. Though it would be a sight to see wouldn't it? People would probably wonder how bad things would get since Nash has the power to book such an event. Or was it someone else, did Nash started booking that year?
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Post by kingoftheindies on Oct 26, 2013 18:15:20 GMT -5
quick questions about this time frame, one why didnt Vince just let Owen out too? Did he see more money potential in him I guess? And, why did Neidhart get the big DX beat down thing and no one else? Plus when they came to WCW they did a couple angles where them three were gonna look out for each other after dealing with beat downs and run ins during their matches. So if during a Bulldog match someone ran in trying to cause him to lose Bret or Neidhart would come out to help. But then at one point...I think it was Bulldog was in a match were..I wanna say Curt maybe...put him in a figure four around the ring pole and ended up getting himself DQed for not letting go. And has he held on the hold after the bell I knew that when Bret didnt come out (neither did Neidhart but whatever) that Bret was turning heel soon and bam he did. I've heard a few reasons as to why Owen was kept. First being that he was pretty much liked by everybody... even Triple H and HBK at the time. The other thing I've seen is that Owen really didn't want to leave but felt loyal to Bret, but Bret told him he wasn't upset at him if he stayed.
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Post by bob on Oct 26, 2013 19:55:09 GMT -5
quick questions about this time frame, one why didnt Vince just let Owen out too? Did he see more money potential in him I guess? I remember reading that Owen wanted to retire early and buying out his contract would've drastically altered those plans.
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Post by skulldouggory on Oct 27, 2013 19:43:31 GMT -5
Neidhart and Smith were lucky they even got jobs at that point. In 1999 Neidhart and Bulldog were both sucking up to Vince to get contracts again, which split the Hart family even more.
The only thing of note I remember from Davey's 2nd run in WCW was the feud between him Alex Wright and Fit Finlay over the "greatest European wrestler in WCW", and of course Davey's bump at Fall Brawl that crippled him to the point of addiction to painkillers.
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