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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Oct 30, 2013 8:17:54 GMT -5
It's really not Miz's fault he's not over as a babyface, the booking for him is appalling. Miz was getting facepops as a douchebag heel, and when they turned him, people wanted to see him as a face. Some of his early face matches the crowd was iffy, but Miz's crowd interaction actually got them behind him. Lest we forget, The Rock got mega over as a face by being an enormous douchebag. But the booking since has been dogshit. The crowd still occasionally loves him - when he tried to stand up to Brock people loved it, because Brock is someone who gets heat equally as a face and a heel and he's such a destroyer that people like seeing someone stand up to him. But he's not really given anything to do. At all.
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Post by sportatorium on Oct 30, 2013 8:52:59 GMT -5
I do agree that he has been booked poorly.. Babyfaces should always give off the vibe that in a fair fight the heel or heels who did something terrible to them are going to get beat up. Miz has never been booked to show that. The character written right now is not a threat to get his hands on Randy for beating him up in front of his parents, or Bray Wyatt for the weird bondage thing.
Zack Ryder's push was killed dead when he was standing with a dozen roses weeping watching Eve & John Cena kiss. People still like him, but he should have been booked to challenge Kane, have everyone tell him not to do it & somehow beat the monster. Wrestling 101. Miz has pretty much ended up in the same spot.
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Post by sportatorium on Oct 30, 2013 8:56:56 GMT -5
It is also worth noting that this is a 3 page thread on the Miz on the front page of this forum. There is currently not one relating to the current WWE champ and the only one relating to the babyface who stood tall at the end of Raw is about a Stephanie catchphrase.
Like Miz or not, he does capture interest.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Oct 30, 2013 9:25:19 GMT -5
I think he might still somehow end up on the side of the authority. Yeah,got decapitated by Orton and all,but it's the WWE. Honestly, considering what Triple H did to Orton, what Orton did to Stephanie, and what SHIELD did to Brad Maddox just last year, Miz getting the piss beaten out of him might've put him on the fast track to joining.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Oct 30, 2013 9:49:26 GMT -5
I hate to say it but Kevin Nash was right. Miz can't pull off being a bad ass no matter how much him and WWE try. On Miz TV, he comes off as a douchey fratboy who thinks he's so damn cool. Perfect if you're a heel, not so much if you are a face. Miz is a great ambassador for WWE but he hasn't found his voice as a babyface. Turning him back into a self absorbed heel might be the cure. WWE though needs to avoid turning him back face when the crowd start back cheering Miz or the cycle will continue.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Oct 30, 2013 10:08:20 GMT -5
I think the best course of action for him as a babyface is to cut out Miz TV. I honestly think most fans in the audience like him, but they don't want to hear him talk all the damn time. MizTV is a symptom of a larger problem. I'd honestly believe someone higher-up has it in for the guy. He always loses whatever mini-storyline he gets, he floats from one feud to the next, and he gets verbally dismissed without the slightest chance for retaliation. I'm pretty sure that's a method to kill anyone's heat. I get that Miz isn't liked around here, but if Bryan were booked like this then not even the most optimistic posters could spin it to something positive. They've been stomping on Miz's relevancy to where I honestly doubt he'll regain it anytime soon. well there was that one guy who hated Miz because he was with Maryse. does he still work there? I'll echo a couple others here in that it seems WWE doesn't really know what they want Miz to be. he's another victim of the "make everyone and their mother a world champion and then when they do anything else it'll be a massive step down and mark them as a failure" booking. he's not alone there; the likes of Jack Swagger, Ryback, Del Rio (though he's still pushed as a big deal for no reason) and you could even make the argument for Sheamus are all there with him.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 30, 2013 10:48:18 GMT -5
I'd honestly believe someone higher-up has it in for the guy. He always loses whatever mini-storyline he gets, he floats from one feud to the next, and he gets verbally dismissed without the slightest chance for retaliation. I'm pretty sure that's a method to kill anyone's heat. I wouldn't be surprised if there's this feeling backstage that they put a lot of time and effort into building him up as a star and it didn't pay off, so now what little crediblity Miz's got left is going to be used as a punching bag to elevate the guys who kick his ass, physically and verbally. There's nothing wrong with this. If they want to use Miz to put guys over, it's fine. But they shouldn't be doing it every other week It's one thing for Miz to be jobbing. It's another for him to come out, and for someone to randomly cut a promo pointing out all his inadequacies and highlighting how badly he sucks before physically destroying him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2013 11:02:43 GMT -5
Mania 27 ruined his chances of being a "Top Guy". I'm not a fan, but they threw him into a situation that he was not ready for and it killed his momentum to where he's still feeling the effects to this day. I'd use him as The Authority's propaganda machine. Use MizTV as a way to push their agenda and have Miz use his remaining cred to feud with guys they don't want mixing up with Orton yet.
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Post by deancubed on Oct 30, 2013 13:40:35 GMT -5
Give him the WHC after Cena, feud with Sandow, Ziggler, etc. on Smackdown.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Oct 30, 2013 13:42:07 GMT -5
I'd honestly believe someone higher-up has it in for the guy. He always loses whatever mini-storyline he gets, he floats from one feud to the next, and he gets verbally dismissed without the slightest chance for retaliation. I'm pretty sure that's a method to kill anyone's heat. I wouldn't be surprised if there's this feeling backstage that they put a lot of time and effort into building him up as a star and it didn't pay off, so now what little crediblity Miz's got left is going to be used as a punching bag to elevate the guys who kick his ass, physically and verbally. I think you're right. Somewhere along the line, WWE lost all faith in the guy.
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Post by dvdvrgonzalez on Oct 30, 2013 13:55:30 GMT -5
It is also worth noting that this is a 3 page thread on the Miz on the front page of this Like Miz or not, he does capture interest. I think the interest comes from seeing a former Wrestlemania headliner fall so far down the totem pole that he's become a complete afterthought in an under one minute Kane match. Other than that I really don't think a lot of people here give a lick about The Miz.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 30, 2013 16:16:50 GMT -5
Give him the WHC after Cena, feud with Sandow, Ziggler, etc. on Smackdown. I'd rather see Miz be WWE Champion again or not at all. It's better to let these guys actually mingle with the big boys on Raw, not be segregated on an entire tier below them. It doesn't help Miz or anyone else if Cena drops the WHC and then moves on to "bigger things" while they're fighting over a booby prize. Either they're main eventers or they're midcarders. WWE should stop going halfsies on it because it makes everyone look bad
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2013 16:22:42 GMT -5
He'll always have the Ryback leg kicks. Never forget.
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Post by sybaku on Oct 30, 2013 17:37:14 GMT -5
Serious answer this time,
Miz needs to be heel, hell don't even let him join the Authority just let him be what everyone thinks he is, an unpopular dick.
Have Faces hate him, heels hate him, everyone just hates him. Have him steal pins from tag mates, abandon his team etc.
You basically play into least popular guy in the locker room stuff, he'll eventually he be an "anti-Cena" a heel who gets a split reaction (happened last time he was douceMiz it'll happen again)
You can feud him anywhere, they just need to not use him as a JTTS maybe a Gatekeeper type who loses to up and comers but not this cycle of glorified Jobberdom
And turn MizTV into a smug show where Miz ignores his guest, talks about himself, and play clips of his greatest moments for example...
"Daniel you just won the WWE Championship, it reminds of when I did the same thing", Miz plays a clip of him winning the title.
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Post by mrbananagrabber on Oct 30, 2013 18:36:52 GMT -5
What I found funny was during the Kane/Miz feud JBL predicted that Kane would squash him. Cole tries to argue the point, saying Miz was a former blah blah, and then Kane pinned him in about two minutes and Cole sort of said "oh yeah, you were right."
The Miz has got his ass kicked three times in a row now and got no sympathy or revenge. Orton almost ended him in front of his parents (His dad got a nice video out it though), the Wyatt's gang raped him backstage (possibly) and Kane choke-slammed him for no reason as well. I wonder who else he'll inadvertently piss off?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2013 18:40:39 GMT -5
I hate to say it but Kevin Nash was right. Miz can't pull off being a bad ass no matter how much him and WWE try. On Miz TV, he comes off as a douchey fratboy who thinks he's so damn cool. Perfect if you're a heel, not so much if you are a face. Miz is a great ambassador for WWE but he hasn't found his voice as a babyface. Turning him back into a self absorbed heel might be the cure. WWE though needs to avoid turning him back face when the crowd start back cheering Miz or the cycle will continue. I bet Miz watches porn with guys with small dicks too.
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Post by wallabylikeyou on Oct 30, 2013 19:03:00 GMT -5
Getting slapped around by Orton and Kane is one thing, but this year Miz has been bested by Curtis Axel and Wade Barrett. He's about on par with Bo Dallas by booking logic.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 30, 2013 19:37:55 GMT -5
Getting slapped around by Orton and Kane is one thing, but this year Miz has been bested by Curtis Axel and Wade Barrett. He's about on par with Bo Dallas by booking logic. Miz has multiple victories over Barrett. And Barrett is actually in the same boat as Miz in terms of being a guy who was once a "thing" before falling down the card. Miz's jobberness and Barrett's jobberness cancel each other out to the point where there's really no shame in one losing to the other.
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Post by kevin on Oct 30, 2013 20:43:18 GMT -5
Give him the WHC after Cena, feud with Sandow, Ziggler, etc. on Smackdown. I'd rather see Miz be WWE Champion again or not at all. It's better to let these guys actually mingle with the big boys on Raw, not be segregated on an entire tier below them. It doesn't help Miz or anyone else if Cena drops the WHC and then moves on to "bigger things" while they're fighting over a booby prize. Either they're main eventers or they're midcarders. WWE should stop going halfsies on it because it makes everyone look bad No it is perfect if Cena does not move on to greater things. Have Miz win the world title from Cena at Mania. Then at extreme Rules have him beat Cena in an I quit match. Thus makes up for his last run and makws Cena finally seem human. Now whoever wins it from Miz, Usay it should be Cody Rhodes, its a huge deal.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 31, 2013 2:29:28 GMT -5
I'd rather see Miz be WWE Champion again or not at all. It's better to let these guys actually mingle with the big boys on Raw, not be segregated on an entire tier below them. It doesn't help Miz or anyone else if Cena drops the WHC and then moves on to "bigger things" while they're fighting over a booby prize. Either they're main eventers or they're midcarders. WWE should stop going halfsies on it because it makes everyone look bad No it is perfect if Cena does not move on to greater things. Have Miz win the world title from Cena at Mania. Then at extreme Rules have him beat Cena in an I quit match. Thus makes up for his last run and makws Cena finally seem human. Now whoever wins it from Miz, Usay it should be Cody Rhodes, its a huge deal. Miz is my favorite guy on the current roster. But, I'd have to say that I'd rather see him be midcard/jobber for life than carry the charity belt. If they aren't going to push Miz all the way to the WWE Title again, they need to drop all pretenses of him being a "top star" and use what notoriety he has to bolster the midcard titles/tag division.
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