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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2013 3:19:11 GMT -5
Miz works best as a heel, obviously, but I like him the best when he's a certain kind of heel. When he had his chip on his shoulder about how he was treated, that was the best possible Miz. He cut a spectacular promo walking from the locker room to the ring about his time in the locker room and it was amazing. I'd like to see that now. Him being disgusted with how things have gone and just lashing out at everyone. I don't think he should be beating top guys or even being that dominant physically. Him cheap shotting guys and pulling out of nowhere screwjob wins would be great because it would let him brag while still reinforcing a deep sided inferiority complex. Have him hate everyone: The Authority for being the face of a company that mocks him, Daniel Bryan for never respecting him, countless others. Could be fun.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Oct 31, 2013 5:05:02 GMT -5
Miz works best as a heel, obviously, but I like him the best when he's a certain kind of heel. When he had his chip on his shoulder about how he was treated, that was the best possible Miz. He cut a spectacular promo walking from the locker room to the ring about his time in the locker room and it was amazing. I'd like to see that now. Him being disgusted with how things have gone and just lashing out at everyone. I don't think he should be beating top guys or even being that dominant physically. Him cheap shotting guys and pulling out of nowhere screwjob wins would be great because it would let him brag while still reinforcing a deep sided inferiority complex. Have him hate everyone: The Authority for being the face of a company that mocks him, Daniel Bryan for never respecting him, countless others. Could be fun. This is what I liked about the feud with Lawler. Miz was such an undeserved asshole champion that he could barely beat a 60 year old announcer. Loads of people on here said that buried the title, but Miz was a chickenshit heel champion with a chip on his shoulder and I loved that.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 31, 2013 9:15:30 GMT -5
I hate to say it but Kevin Nash was right. Miz can't pull off being a bad ass no matter how much him and WWE try. On Miz TV, he comes off as a douchey fratboy who thinks he's so damn cool. Perfect if you're a heel, not so much if you are a face. Miz is a great ambassador for WWE but he hasn't found his voice as a babyface. Turning him back into a self absorbed heel might be the cure. WWE though needs to avoid turning him back face when the crowd start back cheering Miz or the cycle will continue. Douchey Frat Boy Who Thinks he's cool does make a good face gimmick, imo. That's what Miz should be. Fandango Cosplaying Miz and Mizco Inferno were exactly what Miz should be doing. He needs to be a cheesy, gurning dudebro who leaves heels dumbfounded and humiliates them with cheesy one liners and off color jokes. Miz is a naturally funny guy and he should be allowed to show that on TV. He should be the guy who says "Hey Stephanie, you know what I think?" and then rips a huge fart and then waves in her general direction. He should be laughing off the Wyatts' attack and jokingly "thank" them for curing his constipation problem. He should be Daniel Bryan's "little brother" who color coordinates his suit and tie choices in Bryan's maroon color scheme to show his support. He should be eating food in catering only to take his plate and soil Brad Maddox with it. As much as people hate the corny comedy uppercard face, Miz is one of the few on the roster (the other being Dolph Ziggler) for whom such treatment would be an improvement. I think Miz can pull off being a badass when the situation is appropriate. he second match with Orton where he was looking for revenge for getting beaten down showed that. As did him trying to call out the Wyatt Family. . SRS Badass Miz should be kept to a minimum and only unleashed when he's pushed to the edge. Like if only Miz were allowed to retaliate after all the pseudo shoot comments made against him instead of just nodding his head and saying "Yes, sir, I'll bend over 17 more degrees so you can take my manhood more comfortably" then it could work. Even if Miz was just a pure jobber, he'd do well as the guy who fights his ass off only to lose spectacularly. The Kane match should've gone about 4-5 minutes longer.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Oct 31, 2013 9:32:17 GMT -5
People don't like DudeBros. Juvenile, frat boy humor was big in the Attitude era but most people nowadays find that type of humor dumb. Miz can't do bad ass without coming off as a duckface rapist. He is more of a chickenshit heel.
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Post by TGM on Oct 31, 2013 9:37:27 GMT -5
Home to wash his tights
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 31, 2013 13:48:11 GMT -5
People don't like DudeBros. Juvenile, frat boy humor was big in the Attitude era but most people nowadays find that type of humor dumb. Miz can't do bad ass without coming off as a duckface rapist. He is more of a chickenshit heel. I know that Miz can't do badass without looking like he wants get up in them guts. But Miz should totally act aware of that and make fun of himself for it. Like have him get in a heel's face and threaten them with a "You know what THIS face means, right?" Or "Bray Wyatt you got yours, now it's time for me to get mine."
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Post by Andrew is Good on Oct 31, 2013 13:49:28 GMT -5
This is one of the negatives of only having one company. Logically, he should go to another organization to freshen up and come back at a later date.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Oct 31, 2013 15:17:45 GMT -5
The problem is they've watered down faces. Miz could be a great face if they just let him stay the way he was as a heel. Just have him remain cocky and continue to cut great promos/insults. It's part of the reason why I feel MVP, Dolph Ziggler, and even Punk were watered down because the company removed aspects of them of what made them unique, cool, and exciting.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Oct 31, 2013 18:14:31 GMT -5
The problem is they've watered down faces. Miz could be a great face if they just let him stay the way he was as a heel. Just have him remain cocky and continue to cut great promos/insults. It's part of the reason why I feel MVP, Dolph Ziggler, and even Punk were watered down because the company removed aspects of them of what made them unique, cool, and exciting. It's mostly because WWE seems to want all main event acts for the most part to exist within the same writing hivemind. The writers don't want to create unique characters, traits and dialogue, they want an easy (duplicated) formula they can plug a guy into. That's the main reason why people have turned on certain acts or shticks. It's not the performer, its the hokey and unrelatable characters all saying unfunny buzzwords like "poopy", "diaper breath", "toolbox" and "Snagglepuss" or whatever the f*** baby talk bullshit WWE pens and Vince holds his ribs over, laughing, because he seems to have the world's absolute worst sense of humor.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Nov 1, 2013 8:33:28 GMT -5
The problem is they've watered down faces. Miz could be a great face if they just let him stay the way he was as a heel. Just have him remain cocky and continue to cut great promos/insults. It's part of the reason why I feel MVP, Dolph Ziggler, and even Punk were watered down because the company removed aspects of them of what made them unique, cool, and exciting. It's mostly because WWE seems to want all main event acts for the most part to exist within the same writing hivemind. The writers don't want to create unique characters, traits and dialogue, they want an easy (duplicated) formula they can plug a guy into. That's the main reason why people have turned on certain acts or shticks. It's not the performer, its the hokey and unrelatable characters all saying unfunny buzzwords like "poopy", "diaper breath", "toolbox" and "Snagglepuss" or whatever the f*** baby talk bullshit WWE pens and Vince holds his ribs over, laughing, because he seems to have the world's absolute worst sense of humor. That's the thing. I understand they're catering to a much younger demographic. But the fact of the matter is that it's really hurting their product and then they wonder why fans aren't tuning in, attending live shows, and buyrates being down. Virtually every wrestler acts the same there's no unique characteristics that separates them from the rest. Now to be fair, I really do love the gimmick of The Wyatt Family. It just has a old school late 80's/90's feel to it that is extremely fresh, creepy, and generates a reaction out of me that reminds me of my childhood when it came to Papa Shango, Undertaker, and even the Dungeon of Doom. But when it comes to building faces it's either Cena or Orton. They don't even attempt to distinguish the faces from the heels and fail to realize that the reason why Austin, Shawn, Rock, Taker, Guerrero, and Foley stayed popular because nothing about them changed. They cut the same promos, had great insults, and continually were booked to look like a threat. Whereas they water down the likes of Miz, Ziggler, Punk, Morrison, and MVP who had(have) the ability to be great faces if Vince and his "creative" team allowed them more freedom.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 10:34:31 GMT -5
Can always use Miz to prop up an up-and-coming guy and make a push for the tag belts. That's how it used to be done. Heck, that's how the Miz became a made-man to begin with.
Some guys are just better in tag-teams.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Nov 2, 2013 0:01:10 GMT -5
Miz belongs in the midcard. He is not main event material, and I've been saying that for years.
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Post by JTG Fan on Nov 2, 2013 0:16:01 GMT -5
After tonight, something has to give. Orton completed buried him verbally and then physically with a decisive RKO. A heel turn claiming that he tried to change his ways but it only resulted in more losses than victories and an unappreciative WWE Universe.
You know what else would be perfect heel trolling? Have Flair be a Miz's mentor again but a heel too and constantly refer to Miz as the best pure wrestler in the sport.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 2, 2013 0:19:38 GMT -5
After tonight, something has to give. Orton completed buried him verbally and then physically with a decisive RKO. A heel turn claiming that he tried to change his ways but it only resulted in more losses than victories and an unappreciative WWE Universe. But Miz was getting bitched out long before he turned face. His downfall started pretty much after Awesome Truth broke up.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Nov 2, 2013 1:54:11 GMT -5
Orton made an absolute joke of him tonight. Wouldn't be surprised if they let him go soon. What's The Zim doing in the Impact Zone?
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Post by mrbananagrabber on Nov 2, 2013 3:58:14 GMT -5
I almost felt sorry for him on Smackdown. Then I remembered it was the Miz.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 2, 2013 5:26:11 GMT -5
Come on guys. Miz can still turn it around. We just have to believe. Come on guys.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 5:50:01 GMT -5
The only positive I can really take from the last few months is that atleast Miz is still appearing in segments alongside main eventers.
He may be getting jobbed out every week, made to look like a joke and being verbally buried - but at least he isn't appearing on Superstars or jobbing to 3MB.
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Post by Abdullah on Nov 2, 2013 5:56:22 GMT -5
After tonight, something has to give. Orton completed buried him verbally and then physically with a decisive RKO. A heel turn claiming that he tried to change his ways but it only resulted in more losses than victories and an unappreciative WWE Universe. You know what else would be perfect heel trolling? Have Flair be a Miz's mentor again but a heel too and constantly refer to Miz as the best pure wrestler in the sport. Thing is, they could have turned all these little moments for him into a legitimate face turn but they don't seem interested in that at all. Chances are, he'll be lucky to get squashed by Orton on Monday. They won't fire him or anything because they like his PR work too much but I don't think they care about his career as a wrestler or how he comes across to fans anymore - 'Eh, he's marrying Maryse and main-evented Wrestlemania once. He's had a good run.-
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Nov 2, 2013 6:03:36 GMT -5
'Eh, he's marrying Maryse and main-evented Wrestlemania once. He's had a good run.- Let's be fair, if we're going to rank pro wrestlers by how much they achieved in their careers, marrying Maryse has to put Miz in at least the top 10 or 20 of all time.
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