mrjl
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Post by mrjl on Nov 2, 2013 16:48:00 GMT -5
B+ guys do not get to hit their finisher on the boss. that's my point. The OP is talking like Bryan's push is done. But if it was he wouldn't have gotten to lay out Trips
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mizerable
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Post by mizerable on Nov 2, 2013 16:48:33 GMT -5
I'd love to create a wager where money is on the line. I would bet $100 to each person that Bryan won't win the title within a year's time (BS less than a day reigns notwithstanding). I'd push it out even further, because I don't think Bryan is going to win the title again, but a bet for a year is still pretty good.
I'd probably be sure make a hefty sum to all the takers of that bet.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 16:52:07 GMT -5
LOL worst sell ever. He said "hit" the finisher, not a glacing blow as he spins out of the way. Also pretty bad camera work too. That whole match's camera work was atrocious.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Nov 2, 2013 16:56:21 GMT -5
Couple of things:
1. If you decide to join the wager, no backing out at the last second. So, if you accept now but then realize that there's no way Bryan is gonna win the title before April 7th in February, tough titty. There is no surrender in this dojo.
2. If Bryan were to suffer some kind of injury that puts him on the shelf for a significant amount of time between now and April 7th, the wager is null and void and nobody has to do anything.
3. mrjl, I see you keep posting in this thread but haven't accepted the wager. I know you're one of the people who's defended this storyline. What's it gonna be? Do you accept or do you yield?
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Nov 2, 2013 16:56:23 GMT -5
Who was that guy who declared back in '08 that "Super Cena" would never return and he'd eat his hat if Cena ever successfully defended a world championship for five consecutive PPVs? And he still hasn't. And the dude still doesn't have to eat his hat.
But the underlying point, that we'd never get a massively pushed and protected John Cena again, is still false. The arbitrary standard being used to measure it was completely irrelevant.
This thread reminds me a lot of that.
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Reflecto
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Post by Reflecto on Nov 2, 2013 16:58:20 GMT -5
So is this bet only on him winning the WWE belt? Like if he had a match with Taker/HBK/Rock/Brock and beat them clean it wouldn't count? Yes sir. There's the issue for this bet. I would have agreed to take the bet, if the bet also included the following [which I feel would be reasonable given storyline/Gauntlet]: -It would also count if, instead of winning the WWE belt, then between now and April 7th, Daniel Bryan defeats Triple H cleanly in a one-on-one Pay-Per-View match. If you'll add that stipulation, I'm in. Otherwise, not totally feasible. UPDATE: Magiconz was good enough to change the bet to hurt him with the "If Bryan beats Triple H cleanly", so I'll hurt myself by following the exact definition I said above. Magiconz said "if Daniel Bryan defeats Triple H cleanly", he loses- but didn't dictate a show. Since I said up there it had to be a Pay-Per-View match- if Daniel Bryan defeats Triple H cleanly on Raw or Smackdown (or NXT or Superstars, but come on- like that'll happen), then you can still hold me to the bet if Daniel Bryan is not the WWE Champion.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 16:59:39 GMT -5
Apparently the dirtsheets say there are talks to put Bryan back in the title picture around WM season. They also say the storyline is that Bryan couldn't overcome The Authority so later on it can be addressed again. Given how this storyline is going I wouldn't be surprised to see a huge payoff for Bryan.
I'm not taking part but I see this being the a very fun thread. Good luck to all involved.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Nov 2, 2013 17:00:58 GMT -5
Who was that guy who declared back in '08 that "Super Cena" would never return and he'd eat his hat if Cena ever successfully defended a world championship for five consecutive PPVs? And he still hasn't. And the dude still doesn't have to eat his hat. But the underlying point, that we'd never get a massively pushed and protected John Cena again, is still false. The arbitrary standard being used to measure it was completely irrelevant. This thread reminds me a lot of that. This is pretty clear cut though. If Bryan wins the title before April 7th, I lose. If he doesn't, I win. I'm not trying to say Bryan is never gonna be a big star again. My big motivator behind this thread is my belief that Bryan will not have won the title by the time Wrestlemania 30 is over as some people try to say.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Nov 2, 2013 17:01:58 GMT -5
Is the whole "What if Bryan beats HHH?" thing that big of a sticking point for people? If so, f*** it, I'll add it to the wager.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Nov 2, 2013 17:04:28 GMT -5
Who was that guy who declared back in '08 that "Super Cena" would never return and he'd eat his hat if Cena ever successfully defended a world championship for five consecutive PPVs? And he still hasn't. And the dude still doesn't have to eat his hat. But the underlying point, that we'd never get a massively pushed and protected John Cena again, is still false. The arbitrary standard being used to measure it was completely irrelevant. This thread reminds me a lot of that. This is pretty clear cut though. If Bryan wins the title before April 7th, I lose. If he doesn't, I win. I'm not trying to say Bryan is never gonna be a big star again. My big motivator behind this thread is my belief that Bryan will not have won the title by the time Wrestlemania 30 is over as some people try to say. And I expect you to win your wager, because I don't think Bryan is winning the title at or before Wrestlemania, because they already did Bryan/Orton at 3 straight PPVs and aren't going to run it again so soon. But the implication here seems to be that this will constitute proof that Bryan is being held down and buried by management, and I don't see that at all. Even though I wouldn't take the wager, I think it's quite plausible that Bryan's Wrestlemania moment will consist of beating Triple H or HBK, either of which would strike me as a more significant event than him beating Orton for a WWE Championship reign.
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Reflecto
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Post by Reflecto on Nov 2, 2013 17:06:21 GMT -5
Is the whole "What if Bryan beats HHH?" thing that big of a sticking point for people? If so, f*** it, I'll add it to the wager. If you're adding it- then I'm in.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Nov 2, 2013 17:06:50 GMT -5
This is pretty clear cut though. If Bryan wins the title before April 7th, I lose. If he doesn't, I win. I'm not trying to say Bryan is never gonna be a big star again. My big motivator behind this thread is my belief that Bryan will not have won the title by the time Wrestlemania 30 is over as some people try to say. But the implication here seems to be that this will constitute proof that Bryan is being held down and buried by management, and I don't see that at all. But that's not the point I'm trying to make here as I said. Some people really do believe that Bryan is gonna win the title before Mania, I don't see it. As I said before though, if it really is that big of a sticking point with people, I'll add "Bryan beating HHH" as part of the wager.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Nov 2, 2013 17:17:51 GMT -5
*UPDATE* Some people have brought up a fair point regarding the idea of Bryan beating HHH at some point before April 7th. In the interest of making the wager more interesting, I have decided to add this to the wager. So, if Bryan wins the WWE title OR beats HHH cleanly before April 7th, I lose the wager. If not, I win.
Since the rules have changed, anybody who previously decided to join the wager may pull out.
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Post by Sparkybob on Nov 2, 2013 17:22:51 GMT -5
I'm not a betting man so I won't bet here, but can you clarify what do you mean clean? Clean as in Cena/Punk at MITB level or does it need to be like Rock/Cena where no outside forces what so ever.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Nov 2, 2013 17:25:57 GMT -5
I'm not a betting man so I won't bet here, but can you clarify what do you mean clean? Clean as in Cena/Punk at MITB level or does it need to be like Rock/Cena where no outside forces what so ever. For the sake of this wager, let's define cleanly as in no outside factor affects the outcome of the match. So, if there's a bunch of bullshit going on outside of the ring but Bryan and HHH are not directly affected by it (as in getting distracted) in the finishing stretch of the match, that's clean. If anybody would like to argue for another definition of "clean", I'm all ears.
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Post by Sparkybob on Nov 2, 2013 17:28:11 GMT -5
I'm not a betting man so I won't bet here, but can you clarify what do you mean clean? Clean as in Cena/Punk at MITB level or does it need to be like Rock/Cena where no outside forces what so ever. For the sake of this wager, let's define cleanly as in no outside factor affects the outcome of the match. So, if there's a bunch of bullshit going on outside of the ring but Bryan and HHH are not directly affected by it (as in getting distracted) in the finishing stretch of the match, that's clean. If anybody would like to argue for another definition of "clean", I'm all ears. Oh ok that's cool. I just thought it was something that needed clarification now so their won't be a big argument in the future on if how Bryan beat Hunter was clean or not.
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SEAN CARLESS
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Nov 2, 2013 17:53:10 GMT -5
no, because Daniel Bryan will not be involved in a title feud, he'll be feuding with the Authority. B+ guys do not get to hit their finisher on the boss. And who has the WWE title? Come on. Be a man, mrjl! If only. I've waited a year to see mrjl admit he was wrong about anything. It would make all the annoyingness all worth it in the end.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 17:57:33 GMT -5
No way is HHH doing the job for D-Bry. No way, no how. I hope that I'm wrong but I just don't see it, regardless of whether he nailed him with a knee once.
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Post by Arrow on Nov 2, 2013 18:01:52 GMT -5
If anybody would like to argue for another definition of "clean", I'm all ears. I would argue that "clean" should mean that the guy losing has no kind of excuse whatsoever. Even in the Cena-Rock WM28, even without outside interference there was still the moment at the end where Cena lost thanks to his own overconfidence (a plot point specifically brought up during the build for the rematch). A truly clean win should have nothing like that.
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Post by hossfan on Nov 2, 2013 18:07:49 GMT -5
If anybody would like to argue for another definition of "clean", I'm all ears. I would argue that "clean" should mean that the guy losing has no kind of excuse whatsoever. Even in the Cena-Rock WM28, even without outside interference there was still the moment at the end where Cena lost thanks to his own overconfidence (a plot point specifically brought up during the build for the rematch). A truly clean win should have nothing like that. Cena's loss to the Rock was clean. He had no one to blame but himself for failing.
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