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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Nov 2, 2013 18:08:54 GMT -5
I would argue that "clean" should mean that the guy losing has no kind of excuse whatsoever. Even in the Cena-Rock WM28, even without outside interference there was still the moment at the end where Cena lost thanks to his own overconfidence (a plot point specifically brought up during the build for the rematch). A truly clean win should have nothing like that. Cena's loss to the Rock was clean. He had no one to blame but himself for failing. Yeah, I really don't want to include stuff like that because that's where we really start splitting hairs.
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Post by Arrow on Nov 2, 2013 18:12:07 GMT -5
I would argue that "clean" should mean that the guy losing has no kind of excuse whatsoever. Even in the Cena-Rock WM28, even without outside interference there was still the moment at the end where Cena lost thanks to his own overconfidence (a plot point specifically brought up during the build for the rematch). A truly clean win should have nothing like that. Cena's loss to the Rock was clean. He had no one to blame but himself for failing. Obviously, but the fact is that he still had that excuse a year later. In this context, a "clean" win should be one in which Bryan wins completely by his own skill, not because HHH or whoever got too cocky and blew an advantage. But I'm not participating, so whatever.
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Post by Reflecto on Nov 2, 2013 18:25:19 GMT -5
I wrote:
UPDATE: Magiconz was good enough to change the bet to hurt him with the "If Bryan beats Triple H cleanly", so I'll hurt myself by following the exact wording I said above. Magiconz said "if Daniel Bryan defeats Triple H cleanly", he loses- but didn't dictate a show. Since I said up there it had to be a Pay-Per-View match- if Daniel Bryan defeats Triple H cleanly on Raw or Smackdown (or NXT or Superstars, but come on- like that'll happen), then you can still hold me to the bet if Daniel Bryan is not the WWE Champion.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Nov 2, 2013 18:41:47 GMT -5
Who was that guy who declared back in '08 that "Super Cena" would never return and he'd eat his hat if Cena ever successfully defended a world championship for five consecutive PPVs? And he still hasn't. And the dude still doesn't have to eat his hat. But the underlying point, that we'd never get a massively pushed and protected John Cena again, is still false. The arbitrary standard being used to measure it was completely irrelevant. This thread reminds me a lot of that. That was me.And Magiconz, I love you and all...but this wager, to me, given the wrestler in question, is like making a bet that St. Edward's Crown won't have another jewel added to it. Even if it's left alone, is it really that big of a travesty?
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Post by bob on Nov 2, 2013 18:42:50 GMT -5
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Nov 2, 2013 18:51:06 GMT -5
Who was that guy who declared back in '08 that "Super Cena" would never return and he'd eat his hat if Cena ever successfully defended a world championship for five consecutive PPVs? And he still hasn't. And the dude still doesn't have to eat his hat. But the underlying point, that we'd never get a massively pushed and protected John Cena again, is still false. The arbitrary standard being used to measure it was completely irrelevant. This thread reminds me a lot of that. That was me.And Magiconz, I love you and all...but this wager, to me, given the wrestler in question, is like making a bet that St. Edward's Crown won't have another jewel added to it. Even if it's left alone, is it really that big of a travesty? *Shrug* At this point, it wouldn't bother me too much because I've accepted that it's not happening. Quite a few people seem to be on the opposite side of the fence and believe that Bryan is gonna get that big moment of winning the title/beating HHH. I figure, why not have a little fun with it?
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Post by misconduct was wrong on Nov 2, 2013 18:52:24 GMT -5
I'm actually with you Magiconz. I don't think Bryan wins the title OR beats H clean by then.
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Post by CM Dazz on Nov 2, 2013 18:57:05 GMT -5
LOL worst sell ever. He said "hit" the finisher, not a glacing blow as he spins out of the way. That's my biggest problem with this right now. HHH started moving to the side like a little bitch before Bryan was even close to connecting. Edit: I'm in, but if I lose you'll have to remind me. Really nothing to lose here.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Nov 2, 2013 19:00:25 GMT -5
Trips didn't want to risk a broken nose, a broken nose would literally kill Triple H.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Nov 2, 2013 19:00:26 GMT -5
You know, I'm still holding you to this one if it ever happens.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Nov 2, 2013 19:01:17 GMT -5
I should probably start keeping track of who's in on the wager by now.
FOR Bryan winning the title/beating HHH clean: wallabylikeyou hossfan reflecto CM Dazz
AGAINST Bryan winning the title/beating HHH clean: Magiconz Kevin Hamilton misconduct?(You didn't specify whether or not you wanted to be part of the wager)
wallabylikeyou, hossfan, and Kevin Hamilton can all pull out without being labeled a fraud/phony due to the rules of the wager changing since they joined in. Entry into the wager will probably remain open up until Wrestlemania.
Who else will enter the coliseum?
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Post by wisdomwizard on Nov 2, 2013 19:01:37 GMT -5
Um I hate to be the one to bring this up, but while I still think he can win the title at Wrestlemania, Bryan can't pin HHH in any way because HHH WAS RETIRED BY BROCK LESNAR. And no, I don't think they're doing away with that.
Also, I am NOT taking part in this wager.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Nov 2, 2013 19:04:05 GMT -5
Who was that guy who declared back in '08 that "Super Cena" would never return and he'd eat his hat if Cena ever successfully defended a world championship for five consecutive PPVs? And he still hasn't. And the dude still doesn't have to eat his hat. But the underlying point, that we'd never get a massively pushed and protected John Cena again, is still false. The arbitrary standard being used to measure it was completely irrelevant. This thread reminds me a lot of that. That was me.And Magiconz, I love you and all...but this wager, to me, given the wrestler in question, is like making a bet that St. Edward's Crown won't have another jewel added to it. Even if it's left alone, is it really that big of a travesty? I love the idea of the wager. It either puts an end to the annoyingly naive "wait and see" stance, or it validates it. One side loses, and has to admit defeat. It's something you never see on the Internet. It'll be a fascinating sociological experiment to see whether whatever side loses the bet actually honors the agreement and eats their crow.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Nov 2, 2013 19:06:39 GMT -5
That was me.And Magiconz, I love you and all...but this wager, to me, given the wrestler in question, is like making a bet that St. Edward's Crown won't have another jewel added to it. Even if it's left alone, is it really that big of a travesty? *Shrug* At this point, it wouldn't bother me too much because I've accepted that it's not happening. Quite a few people seem to be on the opposite side of the fence and believe that Bryan is gonna get that big moment of winning the title/beating HHH. I figure, why not have a little fun with it? I think my disconnection here is this idea that Bryan winning the title at WM30 and getting a lenghty reign is something that he eventually "needs", as if he's somehow not properly made into a major player yet.
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Post by hossfan on Nov 2, 2013 19:14:03 GMT -5
Um I hate to be the one to bring this up, but while I still think he can win the title at Wrestlemania, Bryan can't pin HHH in any way because HHH WAS RETIRED BY BROCK LESNAR. And no, I don't think they're doing away with that. Also, I am NOT taking part in this wager. Triple H had matches after Lesnar, though. And unless they're going to make Triple H's last match be against Curtis Freaking Axel, I'd say Hunter has a few more fights left in him. wallabylikeyou, hossfan, and Kevin Hamilton can all pull out without being labeled a fraud/phony due to the rules of the wager changing since they joined in. Entry into the wager will probably remain open up until Wrestlemania. Thanks for the offer, but I'll stand by my original bet that Bryan will be WWE Champion by April 7. I'm still convinced he's winning the Royal Rumble.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Nov 2, 2013 19:18:25 GMT -5
Also, I am NOT taking part in this wager. Why?
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Post by mizerable on Nov 2, 2013 19:22:22 GMT -5
To me, it shows how confident of a fan you are. I know it's probably labeled as arrogance, but I've watched WWE enough over the years to know when they're selling the fans short of what they should. I predicted that WWE would drop the ball on Bryan and the whole Authority storyline, something naysayers will try to disagree on...the same people who would probably argue that the Invasion was handled great.
But the problem with the naysayers who condone anything WWE does and then criticizes anyone who agrees with them...most of them don't take a rightful stand because they can't. It's like buying a lotto ticket, losing and refusing to alter the plan because you have another lotto ticket in your hand for next week. Slowly but surely, you lose more and more money and never make it back. But this week...this might be the week!
At least with this "gauntlet", it gives a rightful end date on when something will happen, since otherwise there is no end to wrestling...just tedious patience. That's why the naysayers can't be "proven wrong" because sooner or later, wrestling usually gets better, but you have to wait 3 years to get 2 months of quality. It's like claiming "the end of the world" when not giving a specific date. Of course the world is ending, but I want to know if it's happening in a thousand years or next Tuesday.
Also, the reason why I won't take part, as touched on earlier is because the stakes aren't high enough. Changing my name for a month wouldn't be satisfying enough to the victor if I was wrong, and vice versa. No offense to anyone who is down. Now if it was money or something self deprecating on camera? Hell yes.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Nov 2, 2013 19:26:13 GMT -5
Confidence. Nice, I can respect that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 19:26:43 GMT -5
I love the idea of the wager. It either puts an end to the annoyingly naive "wait and see" stance, or it validates it. One side loses, and has to admit defeat. It's something you never see on the Internet. It'll be a fascinating sociological experiment to see whether whatever side loses the bet actually honors the agreement and eats their crow. And on that note, we can have Keith David doing the voice over... We cue the promo music...WILL PATIENCE FINALLY BE VALIDATED OR WILL THE DARK SUN OF CYNICISM CONTINUE TO BATHE THE TITAN TOWERS IN ITS JADED GLOW? WAIT AND SEE!
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Nov 2, 2013 19:29:53 GMT -5
To clarify, while I'm not participating in the wager, I've got no issue with it happening, as I'm sure its participants will have tons of fun and personally I have no clue whether or not Bryan's walking out of WM30 with the belt. I just don't think he'll be damaged if he doesn't.
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