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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Nov 2, 2013 22:39:59 GMT -5
I hope they do that "behind the match" thing with more people, that was awesome. I know that Ryder probably won't ever touch a world title--or hell even another midcard title--but that match really was amazing. At the end of the day, that match felt way more memorable than a lot of world title wins(I'm not naming any names, but those names are going to the ER). I mean, say what you will about the guy, he got the crowd to mark out for a midcard title win. That takes...something.
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Post by JTG Fan on Nov 3, 2013 1:05:56 GMT -5
This mostly just sad.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 3, 2013 2:35:00 GMT -5
Yeah I gotta agree with you. It came off as Zack trying to relive his glory days and even worse it came off as WWE making him do it and laughing at him. It was probably killing Zack inside to watch those highlights and then look where he is now. The video felt like a cruel joke on WWE's part and I couldn't even enjoy it. It just made me angry.
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Post by Bear Skin Rug on Nov 3, 2013 3:54:34 GMT -5
As someone who has ZERO interest in Ryder: this was great.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 3, 2013 5:00:54 GMT -5
It makes me sad and angry that a guy like Zack worked his ass off to get over with the crowd, and had it all taken away with shitty booking.
He's a posterboy for what is wrong with WWE. In getting to the US Title he played to his strengths, but once he got there for some reason creative decided to stop doing that and highlight his weaknesses. A couple of goofy live soundbites and competitive matches in the ring would have worked wonders for the guy. He didn't need to be a top guy, just a guy who has an even win-loss record with the midcard guys, and strong showings against the main eventers.
WWE do it time and again, trying to fit square pegs in round holes. Miz is a natural in the cocky, chickenshit heel role? Well f*** that, we need him to be a super serious killer. Cesaro has charisma in buckets and is freakishly strong? How about we take away his flashy moves and make him a generic foreigner who says a single word in five languages? That Tensai guy was an absolute monster in Japan, imagine how over he'll be if we make him work at 10% of his usual speed and do hokey Japanese theatrics!
This is definitely a company that doesn't adhere to the philosophy of 'you can only work with what you've got'.
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Post by Sparvid on Nov 3, 2013 5:22:46 GMT -5
Yeah I gotta agree with you. It came off as Zack trying to relive his glory days and even worse it came off as WWE making him do it and laughing at him. It was probably killing Zack inside to watch those highlights and then look where he is now. The video felt like a cruel joke on WWE's part and I couldn't even enjoy it. It just made me angry. Zack's new gimmick: Bitter old veteran walking around talking to anyone in earshot about how much better things were in the old days of 2011.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2013 9:24:01 GMT -5
Greatest PPV and follow up Raw ever.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Nov 3, 2013 10:52:18 GMT -5
I laughed.
Its kinda like looking back and seeing old fads from when you were a kid. "Were we really into this crap back then?"
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Post by Bootista on Nov 3, 2013 12:42:28 GMT -5
Hilarious. Personally I saw nothing in Ryder then and I see nothing in him now. WWE made a great decision in making him a jobber
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Post by Instant Classic on Nov 3, 2013 12:43:31 GMT -5
I feel for Ryder, he's someone that wants to succeed in WWE. There's still somewhat a chance seeing as how he's only 28.
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Nov 3, 2013 13:06:05 GMT -5
It's really frustrating because it's not like the US title meant a lot (however, Ambrose recently has given the belt a little stability & cred). Zack was moving merch & doing a great job of getting himself over. He deserved better.
But, because it wasn't the WWE doing a great job of putting him over, he was buried after they gave the crowd a little satisfaction to capitalize on merch.
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Post by BigWill on Nov 3, 2013 13:27:31 GMT -5
After reliving the whole booking the Ryder Revolution, I see some parallels between it and Bryan's current booking.
I'm starting to fear for the future.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2013 13:44:06 GMT -5
Ryder's depush still confuses me today.
It wasn't as though things weren't working out and they halted things. He was red hot and while being red hot, moving merch etc, before any weaknesses people talk about were exposed, wwe just said NO, YOU'RE DONE GET OUT.
It would have made sense if it happened about 4 months after it did.
I'm not even a Ryder fan but I know enough to see that the crowd liked him when he was depushed anyway.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Nov 3, 2013 13:50:42 GMT -5
Ryder's depush still confuses me today. It wasn't as though things weren't working out and they halted things. He was red hot and while being red hot, moving merch etc, before any weaknesses people talk about were exposed, wwe just said NO, YOU'RE DONE GET OUT. It would have made sense if it happened about 4 months after it did. I don't even get why people made a big deal about the promo he did on the RAW after the PPV. It was short and to the point, which went with Ryder's strengths and what got him that popular. Heck, like you said, the fans didn't really backlash against him or anything, he was still pretty over. Then suddenly, he was destroyed by Kane for reasons only the company understood. I have said this a tonne of times but if the mindset of pro wrestling was in other forms of entertainment, a lot more studios and production companies would be closed and replaced with others that would, you know, give the people what they pay their money for.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 3, 2013 14:10:34 GMT -5
Even as a fan of Ryder, I didn't really rate him as being an amazing talent. He might've been average, but he wasn't terrible. But he still deserved better treatment because of how over he got. Even if they didn't push him higher up the card they should've at least kept him protected the same way they did with Santino, pre-3MB Jinder Mahal, and just used him for light hearted filler segments. And Ryder isn't even that bad of a talker. They wouldn't use him on the webshows or in a host role in WWE Classics if he were so terrible.
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Post by Red Impact on Nov 3, 2013 14:34:29 GMT -5
If he was better at promos, I think he could have ridden it more, his depush seemed like WWE was surprised at where he was and just desperately wanted to get it off of him. He was over and isn't bad in the ring, he just wasn't wasn't as comfortable on the mic as he should have been for a guy his size and with that gimmick. If they were smarter, they could have given him more live mic time prior to the culmination of his push, just so he could work on his catchphrase delivery. I think Ryder is very much an example of how WWE's obsession with giving the top guys almost all the time hurts the undercard when they're finally given the chance to step up.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Nov 3, 2013 15:41:33 GMT -5
After reliving the whole booking the Ryder Revolution, I see some parallels between it and Bryan's current booking. I'm starting to fear for the future. C'mon, let's not take things out of proportion here. I mean, at least Ryder held his title win for an entire night.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Nov 3, 2013 15:53:58 GMT -5
It's really frustrating because it's not like the US title meant a lot (however, Ambrose recently has given the belt a little stability & cred). Wait, what? The guy that barely defends it and spent the last two months pretty much as manager for Rollins and Reigns?
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Post by percymania on Nov 3, 2013 16:35:09 GMT -5
Yeah this seemed to put Ryder in an awkward spot. Pretty funny.
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Post by Oak: Certified Jade Hater on Nov 3, 2013 17:01:30 GMT -5
I must be in the minority, because I still feel like Zack got the shaft and should get another shot. He does have charisma, he wants to succeed, and could really flourish if given a proper shot rather than the almost immediate de-push followed by "Here Kane, it's feeding time".
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