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Post by ChitownKnight on Nov 8, 2013 0:36:16 GMT -5
Id say Cena has at most 5 years left in the company as an active wrestler. I know that Cena had several chances to turn heel in the past, but nowadays i feel like there are several babyfaces rising to the top (Punk, Bryan, Ziggler, Cody ect, and possibly more in the next year (Reigns?) so they dont need to rely on Cena as the top guy. Also fans have been clamoring for a heel turn for years so it just HAS to happen. Also if it fails you can always turn Cena back like nothing
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2013 0:43:35 GMT -5
I have the feeling WWE's going to keep having Cena do exactly what he's doing for the rest of his career at this point given how often they've thrown away perfectly fine alternatives or chances to do something different to stick with the status quo, and they're probably going to ride him until he can't walk anymore. And relating to that I kind of have the sense that eventually he's going to be someone like Bruno or Bret who goes from being the face of the company and the golden boy to refusing to talk to them for years.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2013 0:44:45 GMT -5
Nope. No one else wants to carry the off-screen work load that Cena carries and moves that much merch. Until Cena falls apart or someone else that fits the WWE ideal catches fire he'll be the guy.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Nov 8, 2013 0:46:22 GMT -5
When WWE's confident that they have a new top babyface capable of taking his spot, it'll happen. Heck, Cena's heel turn might even be used to give that guy an opponent to defeat in a big 'Mania main event to kick off their big run at the top of the card.
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Post by Instant Classic on Nov 8, 2013 0:48:44 GMT -5
If he was to turn heel it'd probably be met with cheers from the audiance.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2013 0:49:50 GMT -5
Cena turning heel on his way out and putting over the next big face of the company would be ideal in my eyes. I don't see it happening now though. He'll probably just get shifted into Shawn Michaels's old spot of perpetually over, can-beat-anyone babyface but isn't really THE focus and doesn't hold the WWE title. Sort of like he is right now, I guess, just more permanent.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2013 0:55:08 GMT -5
If he starts moving less and less merch in the coming years, that's when you'll see it.
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Post by saintpat on Nov 8, 2013 0:59:04 GMT -5
If he was to turn heel it'd probably be met with cheers from the audiance. This, sort of. Cena has become something like when Bret Hart was a heel in the U.S. and a babyface everywhere else -- except that he's a heel to the IWC/smarks (who boo him and hate on him) and a babyface to kids/women/marks (who cheer him). I haven't seen a show yet, live or on TV, where I thought more than 50 percent of the audience was booing him and I think at best/worst it's been 60-40 and mostly it's more like 80-20 -- with the people cheering for him outnumbering the ones giving him heat. It's part of his character now, referenced quite often. They've even called him "the most controversial Superstar in WWE history" or some such. If he turns heel -- then all the people who have been cheering for him will boo, but the ones booing (a great deal of them anyway) will cheer. So what's the point of turning him when he still gets the same reaction? It's mixed either way. There's also the Make-a-Wish thing. As long as he's doing that, he won't turn. He has granted, I believe, more wishes for dying kids than anyone EVER. That isn't just some publicty stunt -- it's part of who he is. And he knows -- and WWE knows -- that if he turns while some of those kids who look up to him so much as a hero are still out there, well, not gonna happen. Cena is not just a guy who grants wishes, he is Mr. Make-a-Wish. You don't just throw that away. If you dismiss that go visit a Children's Hospital sometime -- it makes you understand what is really important in life.
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Post by mizerable on Nov 8, 2013 1:00:25 GMT -5
Id say Cena has at most 5 years left in the company as an active wrestler. I'd say you're wrong, barring serious injury. You're looking at about 10 more years of Cena, even at a Triple H rate, where he's a part of the show, even if he doesn't wrestle very often.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2013 1:03:09 GMT -5
If he was to turn heel it'd probably be met with cheers from the audiance. This, sort of. Cena has become something like when Bret Hart was a heel in the U.S. and a babyface everywhere else -- except that he's a heel to the IWC/smarks (who boo him and hate on him) and a babyface to kids/women/marks (who cheer him). I haven't seen a show yet, live or on TV, where I thought more than 50 percent of the audience was booing him and I think at best/worst it's been 60-40 and mostly it's more like 80-20 -- with the people cheering for him outnumbering the ones giving him heat. It's part of his character now, referenced quite often. They've even called him "the most controversial Superstar in WWE history" or some such. If he turns heel -- then all the people who have been cheering for him will boo, but the ones booing (a great deal of them anyway) will cheer. So what's the point of turning him when he still gets the same reaction? It's mixed either way. I'd say the reason to turn him is just to do something different, plus generally speaking the rare times he gets the chance to kind of do it Cena seems to be better at playing a heel than he is a face. Who cares how the crowd reacts, honestly? If they cheer him turning heel, let them cheer; at least he'd finally be doing something different, which matters far, far more to me than someone getting the correct reaction.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2013 1:03:47 GMT -5
If he was to turn heel it'd probably be met with cheers from the audiance. This, sort of. Cena has become something like when Bret Hart was a heel in the U.S. and a babyface everywhere else -- except that he's a heel to the IWC/smarks (who boo him and hate on him) and a babyface to kids/women/marks (who cheer him). I haven't seen a show yet, live or on TV, where I thought more than 50 percent of the audience was booing him and I think at best/worst it's been 60-40 and mostly it's more like 80-20 -- with the people cheering for him outnumbering the ones giving him heat. It's part of his character now, referenced quite often. They've even called him "the most controversial Superstar in WWE history" or some such. If he turns heel -- then all the people who have been cheering for him will boo, but the ones booing (a great deal of them anyway) will cheer. So what's the point of turning him when he still gets the same reaction? It's mixed either way. I think that all depends on the babyface(s) he's feuding with. If he's tagging with a beloved face and turns on them, for example, it will get a shocked "OHHHH!" reaction from smarks that will seem favorable, because it would be such an exciting moment. But over the course of the program, I doubt people would just turn their backs on the face and cheer for Cena because he turned heel like they wanted. He's the strongest booked guy on the roster in the last decade, he's the one that can truly make that next top face if they find one they deem suitable.
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Nov 8, 2013 1:08:18 GMT -5
If Cena ever turns heel, he has to amp up all the things that so many people dislike him for already: obnoxious, nonsensical promos; bright t-shirts; Superman no-selling; overcoming the odds; corporate shilling; pandering to children; etc. Simply taking Cena's gimmick (or whatever it is he has) and doing a 180 on it will not work for the reason mentioned in this thread: he'd get cheered for it.
A modern day heel Cena should be like Cactus Jack in ECW: a total hypocrite who earnestly believes everything he says and thinks that it's what's best for the audience and is what the audience actually wants. He has to be incredibly annoying to the point that I should want to pay to see someone beat him up. He should not be turned into a stoic badass who wears black.
EDIT: He should also buy into his own hype that he becomes delusional, so when he loses he can snap and destroy people. He should be annoying, but he can't look like a goofball that anyone can beat. Think the Bob Backlund heel turn in the 90s.
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Post by Sumbody Gon' Get Dey Kneelift on Nov 8, 2013 1:10:54 GMT -5
I dunno, I think Cena taking part multi-man beatdowns would kill the cheering faction.
I'd love an unstoppable, horrible terminator Cena ruthlessly manhandling the entire card.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2013 1:18:16 GMT -5
I dunno, I think Cena taking part multi-man beatdowns would kill the cheering faction. I'd love an unstoppable, horrible terminator Cena ruthlessly manhandling the entire card. Or it's finally revealed his girlfriend is Nikki Bella and he betrays Daniel Bryan by having an affair with Brie Bella and Nikki Bella joins in a Live Sex Celebration #2.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Nov 8, 2013 1:33:22 GMT -5
The greatest trick John Cena has ever pulled is convincing the IWC he's a face.
Or something.
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Post by TGM on Nov 8, 2013 2:17:29 GMT -5
Cena already is a heel.
Fans boo him, uses cornball lines he thinks are hilarious, massive jerk to his friends (Ryder) etc.
But seriously, I think they'll test the waters of a heel turn if they pit him against The Undertaker at Wrestlemania. That's as close as we will ever get in my opinion.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 8, 2013 2:54:53 GMT -5
Cena turning heel on his way out and putting over the next big face of the company would be ideal in my eyes. I don't see it happening now though. He'll probably just get shifted into Shawn Michaels's old spot of perpetually over, can-beat-anyone babyface but isn't really THE focus and doesn't hold the WWE title. Sort of like he is right now, I guess, just more permanent. That's the best role for him. Turning him heel would just needlessly revolve the product around him when it doesn't need to anymore.
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Post by botchingitup on Nov 8, 2013 3:17:27 GMT -5
Cena already is a heel. Fans boo him, uses cornball lines he thinks are hilarious, massive jerk to his friends (Ryder) etc. I'm sorry, but I am sick and tired of this logic, and you always have people throwing it out in every thread along these lines under the pretense that it's really deep and interesting and complex in terms of his character when it really isn't. Until he is treated as firmly in the wrong in an angle and gets shafted for it, he's not a heel. He's an obnoxious person who gets away with it because he is the sole person the rules don't apply to. JBL is a heel commentator who thinks John Cena is totally a swell guy and one of the best ever. This is shared by the two other face commentators in the booth. That's not because he's a tweener or something - it's because you're not allowed to dislike John Cena. They borderline laugh-track said cornball lines, they specifically point out "divisive reactions" in the most positive light imaginable, and they usually try to fill in some kind of justification for the way people see him ("I bet those fans booing him couldn't lift as much as Cena! They're jealous of his success!" - King). He's not a heel. He's a black hole. He's a great performer doomed by stupid execution and stupid company protection.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Nov 8, 2013 3:24:24 GMT -5
Yes. At some point.
Imagine if someone asked this about Hogan, you'd think they were nuts.
I think WWE is trying to do a Hogan style turn, in that, let him run all of his steam as a face out, heel turn, he gets a little more mileage out of a heel run at the top of the card.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Nov 8, 2013 3:43:18 GMT -5
Cena already is a heel. Fans boo him, uses cornball lines he thinks are hilarious, massive jerk to his friends (Ryder) etc. I'm sorry, but I am sick and tired of this logic, and you always have people throwing it out in every thread along these lines under the pretense that it's really deep and interesting and complex in terms of his character when it really isn't. Until he is treated as firmly in the wrong in an angle and gets shafted for it, he's not a heel. He's an obnoxious person who gets away with it because he is the sole person the rules don't apply to. JBL is a heel commentator who thinks John Cena is totally a swell guy and one of the best ever. This is shared by the two other face commentators in the booth. That's not because he's a tweener or something - it's because you're not allowed to dislike John Cena. They borderline laugh-track said cornball lines, they specifically point out "divisive reactions" in the most positive light imaginable, and they usually try to fill in some kind of justification for the way people see him ("I bet those fans booing him couldn't lift as much as Cena! They're jealous of his success!" - King). He's not a heel. He's a black hole. He's a great performer doomed by stupid execution and stupid company protection. I don't really see people throwing that argument in a serious manner that often, to be honest. I see it more often in a "Even without doing what we want, he's doing what we want, therefore ensuring he's the closest we'll ever get to scientific proof that godlike perfection exists" ironic way. I mean, nobody in this thread is entirely and unironically serious about him already being a heel, right? ...Right? Plus if we are taking that to its logical extreme and Cena really is meant to be a heel, then he's outH'd Triple H in his reign of terror and that's...well, terrifying.
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