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Post by 543Y2J on Nov 8, 2013 10:40:38 GMT -5
Ok even if this is smark bait, surely they realize you can't make guys over night and sometimes buyrates need to be sacrificed for the future of business and the company. Things like this take time, Austin wasn't an overnight instant name buy. Whether they like it or not Bryan is a 2 time WWE Champion, and luckily for them the title and holding it still means something and is important. Plus the fact that he pinned Cena clean as a whistle to do it is something that cements that fact even more. No matter how hard they try sometimes, the cream still rises to the top.
Never mind the fact that Bryan is a perfect guy to become the spokesperson for the company and take Cena's spot as #1, thanks to his clean lifestyle and his incredibly nice personality. Not taking any of his ring work/character into account there. And yes, he is a larger than life character.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Nov 8, 2013 10:40:44 GMT -5
Imagine if the buyrates for King of the Ring 1996 determined whether or not Austin could draw as a top guy. 3 months in the main event should NOT determine whether or not a guy will be a long term draw for a company. Which is why I'm not believing this newz. Buyrates be damned, but the live fans are still cheering the hell out of Bryan, even when he's been moved aside from the main event.
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Post by AnActualBear on Nov 8, 2013 10:41:43 GMT -5
Can we stop paying attention to Lords of Pain please? It's just a god awful website full of badly made up lies designed to get gullible internet fans mad.
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Post by amaron on Nov 8, 2013 10:53:32 GMT -5
Why is this newz?
The proof is in the booking.
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Post by Ape Boy on Nov 8, 2013 10:54:01 GMT -5
I love how this whole story hinges on the WWE management not knowing that "larger than life" and "large" mean two different things. To be fair, a common aspect of being larger than life in the wrestling world is being an awesome physical specimen. It's not everything, obviously, and there are rare situations where it played little to no role, but it often plays a major role. Imagine Hulk Hogan, the Undertaker, etc., if they were 5'8", 195 lb.
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 8, 2013 10:59:09 GMT -5
Macho Man was larger than life. For such of his career he was always the smaller guy against taller and more muscular guys
Same goes with HBK and probably Ric Flair too
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 8, 2013 11:06:00 GMT -5
I love how this whole story hinges on the WWE management not knowing that "larger than life" and "large" mean two different things. To be fair, a common aspect of being larger than life in the wrestling world is being an awesome physical specimen. It's not everything, obviously, and there are rare situations where it played little to no role, but it often plays a major role. Imagine Hulk Hogan, the Undertaker, etc., if they were 5'8", 195 lb. In spite of his short stature Bryan does have a bit of bulk. He IS and awesome physical specimen. At least to me he is.
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Post by Ape Boy on Nov 8, 2013 11:06:38 GMT -5
It's not everything, obviously, and there are rare situations where it played little to no role Basically, in order to be "larger than life" without being an awesome physical specimen, you need to have mountains of charisma. That pretty much excludes Daniel Bryan. I can certainly see why WWE would be hesitant to make him one of their long-term top stars. He's much closer to the Chris Benoit, Ricky Steamboat category of great wrestlers, but nothing more, than he is to the franchise player category.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Nov 8, 2013 11:10:58 GMT -5
It's not everything, obviously, and there are rare situations where it played little to no role Basically, in order to be "larger than life" without being an awesome physical specimen, you need to have mountains of charisma. That pretty much excludes Daniel Bryan. I can certainly see why WWE would be hesitant to make him one of their long-term top stars. He's much closer to the Chris Benoit, Ricky Steamboat category of great wrestlers, but nothing more, than he is to the franchise player category. Uh huh. Bryan lacks charisma. Can we just get rid of the term "charisma" now? Obviously people can make it mean anything they want it to mean, if you can get away with saying Daniel Bryan (or Ricky Steamboat!!!) lacks it.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Nov 8, 2013 11:14:46 GMT -5
Unless WWE Poochies someone, they're buried.
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Post by Ape Boy on Nov 8, 2013 11:14:58 GMT -5
Basically, in order to be "larger than life" without being an awesome physical specimen, you need to have mountains of charisma. That pretty much excludes Daniel Bryan. I can certainly see why WWE would be hesitant to make him one of their long-term top stars. He's much closer to the Chris Benoit, Ricky Steamboat category of great wrestlers, but nothing more, than he is to the franchise player category. Uh huh. Bryan lacks charisma. Can we just get rid of the term "charisma" now? Obviously people can make it mean anything they want it to mean, if you can get away with saying Daniel Bryan (or Ricky Steamboat!!!) lacks it. He has some charisma. I never denied that. What I denied is that he has mountains of charisma; the amount of charisma it takes for a guy of his size to ever become a massive long-term star. Neither did Steamboat, which is why, bar his brief feud with Flair in the late '80s, he was never anything more than an I.C./U.S. title guy. Both WWE and WCW knew what they had in Steamboat: A great wrestler who wasn't charismatic enough to be a top draw. I see Daniel Bryan the same way, and after looking at buy rates and using plain common sense, I'm guessing WWE does, too.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2013 11:20:04 GMT -5
Uh huh. Bryan lacks charisma. Can we just get rid of the term "charisma" now? Obviously people can make it mean anything they want it to mean, if you can get away with saying Daniel Bryan (or Ricky Steamboat!!!) lacks it. He has some charisma. I never denied that. What I denied is that he has mountains of charisma; the amount of charisma it takes for a guy of his size to ever become a massive long-term star. Neither did Steamboat, which is why, bar his brief feud with Flair in the late '80s, he was never anything more than an I.C./U.S. title guy. Both WWE and WCW knew what they had in Steamboat: A great wrestler who wasn't charismatic enough to be a top draw. I see Daniel Bryan the same way, and after looking at buy rates and using plain common sense, I'm guessing WWE does, too. Actually if I'm remembering right, Vince actually DID want to make Steamboat a top guy, but Steamboat wanted time off or something and that soured Vince on him. I probably completely butchered that, but it was something in that neighborhood. Have to head to work or I'd look it up.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Nov 8, 2013 11:23:05 GMT -5
Uh huh. Bryan lacks charisma. Can we just get rid of the term "charisma" now? Obviously people can make it mean anything they want it to mean, if you can get away with saying Daniel Bryan (or Ricky Steamboat!!!) lacks it. He has some charisma. I never denied that. What I denied is that he has mountains of charisma; the amount of charisma it takes for a guy of his size to ever become a massive long-term star. Neither did Steamboat, which is why, bar his brief feud with Flair in the late '80s, he was never anything more than an I.C./U.S. title guy. Both WWE and WCW knew what they had in Steamboat: A great wrestler who wasn't charismatic enough to be a top draw. I see Daniel Bryan the same way, and after looking at buy rates and using plain common sense, I'm guessing WWE does, too. So, you're defining "charisma" as "bookers choose to push you for a long time?" And also saying that charisma is what CAUSES the bookers to push someone for a long time? The question has filed a restraining order to get you to stop begging it.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Nov 8, 2013 12:15:08 GMT -5
Uh huh. Bryan lacks charisma. Can we just get rid of the term "charisma" now? Obviously people can make it mean anything they want it to mean, if you can get away with saying Daniel Bryan (or Ricky Steamboat!!!) lacks it. He has some charisma. I never denied that. What I denied is that he has mountains of charisma; the amount of charisma it takes for a guy of his size to ever become a massive long-term star. Neither did Steamboat, which is why, bar his brief feud with Flair in the late '80s, he was never anything more than an I.C./U.S. title guy. Both WWE and WCW knew what they had in Steamboat: A great wrestler who wasn't charismatic enough to be a top draw. I see Daniel Bryan the same way, and after looking at buy rates and using plain common sense, I'm guessing WWE does, too. So...Orton has mountains of charisma?
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Post by Juice on Nov 8, 2013 12:50:08 GMT -5
Not getting into this argument, over Bryan and charisma and all of that. If he doesn't have the title when mania closes than that's the proof. However I will say Orton has never in his nearly ten years been a ratings draw at all. Ratings are always down, buyrates are always down.
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Post by Error on Nov 8, 2013 12:57:21 GMT -5
Knowing where it actually came from (PWInsider) and hearing everything in context and Vince actually talking about this on the investors call I believe the story.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Nov 8, 2013 13:00:22 GMT -5
I call bull, but do I think Luke Harper should get pushed?
YEAHYEAHYEAHYEAHYEAH!
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Post by Welfare Willis on Nov 8, 2013 13:04:01 GMT -5
Unless wrestletaint.gov reports it, I'm not believing it. Taint news, but taint better than all the rest.
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Post by Raskovnik on Nov 8, 2013 13:04:10 GMT -5
I'm not even bothered by this if it's true. I like big dudes.
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Post by playa on Nov 8, 2013 13:08:18 GMT -5
But seriously now: Big Show was always going to get some match time with the authority since he started reluctantly obeying them. His current "push" is months in the making.
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