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Post by RadcapRadsley on Nov 14, 2013 2:20:23 GMT -5
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 14, 2013 6:40:37 GMT -5
In ten years' time, Del Rio is going to be one of those trivia champions that people knew about at the time, but mostly forget now and virtually never gets mentioned. Someone like Pedro Morales, who I'm sure was a huge star at the time and still is to those that lived through his reign, but is virtually never going to get mentioned in the greatest/most memorable champions stakes.
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Post by Sam Punk on Nov 14, 2013 6:55:04 GMT -5
Tiger Ali Singh
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Post by jason1980s on Nov 14, 2013 8:27:52 GMT -5
Someone mentioned Dr. Death and while he didn't work out I wouldn't think him a bust. Bust, by my definition, is someone the company would have pushed to the moon and then they crashed on their own accord.
With Dr. Death there was no fan fare bringing him in. There was a set of WWF trading cards that came out around mid 1998 and they had Dr. Death and I was shocked. The match they got a picture from had to be a dark match on Heat or Raw because I watched all the shows and never knew he was in WWF. Brawl For All was his first TV appearance that I saw. I don't even think he was touted much except for JR.
I wouldn't think it much of a disgrace to lose to Bart as he was awesome during BFA (just too bad the WM XV match killed him). In early 1999 Jakks came out with a Dr. Death figure. To me the worst thing was that it was a generic type figure with an outfit that only closely resembled his real life outfit, that he never wore on TV IMO. The figure did horrible sales. I would almost bet I was the only one to buy one. LOL. Reason it didn't do well isn't because Dr. Death sucked but because no one knew who he was. He hadn't been on TV in six months and the toy probably set on shelves for more than double that. Jacqueline was a poor seller too probably because ppl just didn't care about her.
The figure had to have been a corporate idea (like Del Rio's "big deal" comment). The planning stages were probably mid 1998 when they had high hopes for him. By time the toy came out he was back on TV with the masked Asian gimmick. Nothing ever came of that. Then a few weeks later Dr. Death was on TV with heel JR and while I'm sure a little was mentioned about their relationship it almost seemed like he was just another muscle for hire guy. I think he was in the Heat tag title battle royal and that was probably his last appearance. JR got his wrestlemania main event announcing spot and all was well with the world.
Sadly Dr. Death died a few years ago and will probably be more remembered as a WWF bust than anything else he had done. But to me it was all on WWF. It would be like hosting a grand opening of a store and no one shows up because no announcements were made. It's not that you had bad product or there's no one interested in going but if it were like WWF and Dr. Death, it would all come down to NO advertising.
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Post by g1megatronfan on Nov 14, 2013 8:37:52 GMT -5
Someone already mentioned Kennedy but he's worth another mention. I remember back in late 2005 and into 2006 everybody and his or her brother was talking like this guy was the next Austin or Rock. They really believed it. I never did...all he had going for him was his introduction and that was basically it to me. Fast forward all these years later and look where he's at now.
Alberto Del Rio is the biggest recent flop. He had a ton of hype and high hopes for him but he is the very definition of a bust. Yes, he's had a ton of titles he didn't deserve but as you can clearly see...nobody gives a damn. In many ways he's worse than Kennedy...at least people cared about him and some still do. Del Rio comes out to crickets chirping.
Those two immediately come to mind as being flops.
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Nov 14, 2013 8:41:55 GMT -5
Mike Adamle The Alliance angle Mr. Kennedy you could make an argument for Del Rio/ Miz as main eventer I don't really see how you can call Miz a bust. If nothing else, while he was hardly solely responsible for it or anything, the guy won in the main event of one of the highest-grossing wrestling shows ever. I agree with your sentiment here in respect to The Miz, but is stating that he won a main event in a high grossing show really meaningful? IMO its meaningless. The Rock's appearance is what drove that buyrate and Miz only "won" b/c The Rock got involved. A win in wrestling is meaningless at its core anyway since its pre-determined. Nobody bought that show to see The Miz or even to see him lose. I don't think the Miz is a bust simply because of where he came from. He was an MTV reality guy trying to make it in pro wrestling and virtually no one gave him a chance and for a while he was excellent in his role. He has obviously gone down the shitter since, but I cant call him a bust simply because of the heights he reached and so few thought he'd ever even sniff that level. IMO Miz is an overachiever, but couldnt maintain his spot. I'd say: Carlito - They clearly put a lot into him with the vignettes and expected him to be a player. He was garbage frankly. Kennedy - This guy was going to get the McMahon son angle. THIS GUY! I still can't stand him, but defines bust. And while not a WWE bust, IMO the biggest bust in wrestling history is Bret Hart in WCW.
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Post by ICBM on Nov 14, 2013 8:57:06 GMT -5
Chris Masters, great intro, million dollar body, decent power move set, hyped to the moon, but his finish was a full Nelson. Look in 1985 that hold was over the way they sold it in 2005. But in 2005 it was just a full Nelson. Not dynamic, does not look painful no matter how you sell it and it honestly makes you look like a rapist when you make a big production about sneaking up and putting it on, then wearing somebody out like a rag doll while you grin manically. Poor presentation of the finish killed it. He couldn't talk either. If he'd had a manager who could get heat, he'd have been a main event.
WWE pushed him to the moon, he fizzled then failed rug tests. Glad he is gone
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2013 9:07:54 GMT -5
I don't really see how you can call Miz a bust. If nothing else, while he was hardly solely responsible for it or anything, the guy won in the main event of one of the highest-grossing wrestling shows ever. I agree with your sentiment here in respect to The Miz, but is stating that he won a main event in a high grossing show really meaningful? IMO its meaningless. The Rock's appearance is what drove that buyrate and Miz only "won" b/c The Rock got involved. A win in wrestling is meaningless at its core anyway since its pre-determined. Nobody bought that show to see The Miz or even to see him lose. I don't think the Miz is a bust simply because of where he came from. He was an MTV reality guy trying to make it in pro wrestling and virtually no one gave him a chance and for a while he was excellent in his role. He has obviously gone down the shitter since, but I cant call him a bust simply because of the heights he reached and so few thought he'd ever even sniff that level. IMO Miz is an overachiever, but couldnt maintain his spot. I'd say: Carlito - They clearly put a lot into him with the vignettes and expected him to be a player. He was garbage frankly. Kennedy - This guy was going to get the McMahon son angle. THIS GUY! I still can't stand him, but defines bust. And while not a WWE bust, IMO the biggest bust in wrestling history is Bret Hart in WCW. Well, like I said, the show drawing so well is not entirely on Miz by any means, but he didn't actively drag it down or anything. Rock alone won't sell shows in spite of a lack of general viewer interest, judging by how Survivor Series 2011 (okay, that was also against Miz, but that's probably more to do with it being built around a tag match where Cena had beaten both guys alone a couple of weeks before) or this year's Rumble did.
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Post by 67 more on Nov 14, 2013 9:34:46 GMT -5
Where's jillianfan when you need him?
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Post by The Beast Disincarnate on Nov 14, 2013 9:39:53 GMT -5
Wade Barrett
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Post by lionheart21 on Nov 14, 2013 9:41:27 GMT -5
Its gotta be the Invasion, no question. It had the potential to be one of the greatest storylines the WWE ever did, and instead became known as one of their worst.
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Post by DASH 243✅ on Nov 14, 2013 11:45:11 GMT -5
Muhammad Hassan
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Post by legendkiller1985 on Nov 14, 2013 12:07:42 GMT -5
Mike Adamle The Alliance angle Mr. Kennedy you could make an argument for Del Rio/ Miz as main eventer I don't really see how you can call Miz a bust. If nothing else, while he was hardly solely responsible for it or anything, the guy won in the main event of one of the highest-grossing wrestling shows ever. I say The Miz as a main eventer was a bust because it seems almost any match he defended his title was overshadowed by another feud. His matches against Orton focused on Orton's history with Nexus. His match with Lawler focuse on the Cole/Lawler feud and His feud with Cena was Cena/Rock trading verbal barbs featuring the Miz. He got initial buzz with his win but didn't really do anything of note while champion.
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Post by BRAINFADE on Nov 14, 2013 12:11:05 GMT -5
Bobby Lashley immediately comes to mind. they tried so hard to make him the new Brock Lesnar, but the guy had 0 charisma, mic skills that were largely a detriment and no motivation to boot. at the same time they were pushing him to the moon, a bunch of other guys (notably CM Punk and to a lesser extent Sheamus) quietly became much more popular and sound future investments. nowadays CM Punk is the company's second biggest star and Bobby Lashley's barely even a footnote. Looking back on it now,it seems absolutely crazy that they thought Lashley would be a bigger star than Punk. Hell it was even crazy back then!
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Post by Push R Truth on Nov 14, 2013 12:27:54 GMT -5
Unless Del Rio suddenly discovers charisma he's going to set a new standard for "meaningless champion" before his career is over.
The amount of screentime and dollars being pumped into pushing Del Rio over years and years far surpasses anything I remember elsewhere in this business. At least guys like Glacier only wasted commercial time and had a handful of matches. Glacier didn't burn hundreds of hours of screentime in an effort to make somebody besides his mom care. Glacier didn't crush midcarders into jobber status with his Aggressive Streak. Del Rio is so horrible he drags others down with him.
The only guy I can think of that is in Del Rio's league might be Bobby Lashley. At least the WWE still has a chance to have somebody beat Del Rio and get a benefit from it. Lashley left in such a way they didn't even have a chance to get people over by beating him.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Nov 14, 2013 12:30:27 GMT -5
Nathan Jones has to be up there in that they paired him up with Taker right away but he was so bad in the ring they had him taken out in a backstage segment before Mania.
In a different look, I think Tout was a huge bust for WWE when you hear how much money they invested into it to have twitter come up with Vine around the same time
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Nov 14, 2013 12:34:37 GMT -5
Sin Cara has to be up there. Pretty much everything that could wrong with a guy like him went wrong.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Nov 14, 2013 12:40:24 GMT -5
I don't remember her name, but there was a woman with enormous fake boobs who made like one appearance in WWE. It may have been on one of the B-shows with midcarders. I think there surfaced a studio pic of her next to Jerry Lawler. Can anyone find the pic or remember her name?
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Nov 14, 2013 12:49:43 GMT -5
At least all those other guys had matches and pushes. All Vade Hansen got was one stinking vignette!
And special mention goes to Mordecai
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Post by kevin on Nov 14, 2013 12:51:23 GMT -5
Buff bagwell he should have been the total package and there were times he was far away the best thing about WCW but only one match in WWE.
Next is Giant Gonzalez. He had the size to be one of the greats in the industry but despit comming closer than anyone to beating the undertaker at Mania never gets mention in streak videos and flamed out quickly.
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