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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Nov 16, 2013 17:37:54 GMT -5
"Take away the things that have got a wrestler over, and would they really have got over?" See the flaw with such thinking? More than that, how would Daniel Bryan even get the YES! chant over if he didn't have some sort of connection with the audience? It's not a new argument. A year ago, these very forums were awash with Intelligent, Discerning Wrestling Fans declaring "FEED ME MORE" was only getting chanted at arena-shaking levels because fans like to chant along with things and Roidback totally isn't really all that over.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2013 18:27:02 GMT -5
I don't think he was being as drastic as it at first seemed, but I wanted to examine it for a second. No wonder your post is so different from the others.
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Post by Boo! on Nov 16, 2013 18:28:47 GMT -5
More than that, how would Daniel Bryan even get the YES! chant over if he didn't have some sort of connection with the audience? It's not a new argument. A year ago, these very forums were awash with Intelligent, Discerning Wrestling Fans declaring "FEED ME MORE" was only getting chanted at arena-shaking levels because fans like to chant along with things and Roidback totally isn't really all that over. yeah but...he wasn't. Once he started being pushed as 'the guy' he was coming out to very muted reactions. I just think maybe this could be another one of those times. If they actually went with him I think interest in the character could drop off. We've all been around a long time and we've all seen these kinds of things a dime a dozen and anyone asks if there's any substance to it gets dismissed like I have and two years later said superstar is curtain jerking on main event and we've all moved onto the next 'fad' that everyone's convinced will be a star and anyone who disagrees is a fool...that time, for sure. I just fear all too often people react with haste on the back of someone being popular. Because the fans join in with a chant or get behind you why these days must it automatically lead to a rush to the main event? We complain about lack of strength in the midcard, is it any wonder when the second someone gains traction it's demanded they be main-evented
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Post by The Masked Heel WAS WRONG on Nov 16, 2013 19:56:22 GMT -5
More than that, how would Daniel Bryan even get the YES! chant over if he didn't have some sort of connection with the audience? It's not a new argument. A year ago, these very forums were awash with Intelligent, Discerning Wrestling Fans declaring "FEED ME MORE" was only getting chanted at arena-shaking levels because fans like to chant along with things and Roidback totally isn't really all that over. But Bryan has TEH WORKRATEZ and Roidback is just some muscled up Goldberg (despite the only similarity is a bald head) wannabe with NO WORKRATEZ.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Nov 16, 2013 20:52:50 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan's the loveable goofball nerdy dude that most of the WWE audience identifies with. that tends to get drowned out because the company has never been willing to embrace that its hardcore fanbase is mostly nerdy dudes and chicks.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Nov 16, 2013 20:55:08 GMT -5
Couldn't "what would he be without.." Be said for pretty much every wrestler? what would Bret Hardt be without his massive ego? what would Shawn Michaels be without his ability to immitate a 5 year old on command?
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Nov 16, 2013 20:59:44 GMT -5
Like it or not, Daniel Bryan is the guy who is the most over with fans in years. This is not a dime a dozen situation, unlike guys like Zack Ryder. This is a situation where the fans are truly for the guy and because of the way he is, he will continue to be over with them.
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Post by BigWill on Nov 16, 2013 21:02:08 GMT -5
I remember Daniel Bryan getting pretty decent pops even before the "Yes!" chants started. Sure he wasn't getting main event level reactions, but fans always seemed to be able to get into his matches.
And if fans didn't actually care for him as a superstar, there wouldn't have been such an uproar after that whole 18 seconds crap. You didn't hear Chavo Guerrero getting bullshit chants after his match at WrestleMania 24.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 16, 2013 21:03:50 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan's the loveable goofball nerdy dude that most of the WWE audience identifies with. that tends to get drowned out because the company has never been willing to embrace that its hardcore fanbase is mostly nerdy dudes and chicks. That was true like when he first started out at Miz's NXT rookie, but I felt like he really came out of his shell when he started bulking up and with the heel turn. At some point between the later stages of his U.S. Title reign and his World Heavyweight Title run, he became a pretty handsome (dare I say sexy) MF'er. But nowadays it seems like WWE is trying to FORCE the "goofball nerdy dude"/troll/goatface/"looks like the average joe" thing even though Bryan imo is potentially the sexiest man on the roster.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Nov 16, 2013 21:05:22 GMT -5
Oh and if the argument was true....Big Show would be the most over guy in the WWE now because WWE has basically tried to give him the "Yes" gimmick now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2013 21:12:52 GMT -5
I'm gonna say i see why people like him but to me he just seems overrated
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Nov 16, 2013 21:38:54 GMT -5
It's not a new argument. A year ago, these very forums were awash with Intelligent, Discerning Wrestling Fans declaring "FEED ME MORE" was only getting chanted at arena-shaking levels because fans like to chant along with things and Roidback totally isn't really all that over. yeah but...he wasn't. Once he started being pushed as 'the guy' he was coming out to very muted reactions. I just think maybe this could be another one of those times. If they actually went with him I think interest in the character could drop off. We've all been around a long time and we've all seen these kinds of things a dime a dozen and anyone asks if there's any substance to it gets dismissed like I have and two years later said superstar is curtain jerking on main event and we've all moved onto the next 'fad' that everyone's convinced will be a star and anyone who disagrees is a fool...that time, for sure. I just fear all too often people react with haste on the back of someone being popular. Because the fans join in with a chant or get behind you why these days must it automatically lead to a rush to the main event? We complain about lack of strength in the midcard, is it any wonder when the second someone gains traction it's demanded they be main-evented Eh, once he got pushed into the feud with Punk, it was obvious to many that he wouldn't be winning the title & his streak would be gone. Until that point his streak was making him an interesting character. The dude should have kept steamrolling jobbers instead of fighting Punk (who is established as "over" with the fans, even while he was a heel). He immediately became less interesting after he lost his first match.
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Post by Ape Boy on Nov 16, 2013 21:48:31 GMT -5
The O.P. is right in that, as far as charisma goes, Bryan's living off of a shallow, obnoxious chant. Take away the "YES!" chant and he's Dean Malenko. He's a nice wrestler, but nobody in their right mind views him as a cornerstone in a major worldwide wrestling company.
Daniel Bryan isn't a legitimate main event star, but a gap-stop, similar to Chris Benoit in 2004. Benoit's "thank you" reign helped usher in the Cena/Batista/Orton era, and Bryan's "thank you" reign, when it happens, will usher in the Ryback/Reigns/Langston era.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2013 21:56:22 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan isn't a legitimate main event star, but a gap-stop, similar to Chris Benoit in 2004. Benoit's "thank you" reign helped usher in the Cena/Batista/Orton era, and Bryan's "thank you" reign, when it happens, will usher in the Ryback/Reigns/Langston era. Hmm, that's an interesting way to look at this.
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 16, 2013 22:00:58 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan could easily be a cornerstone of WWE (no reason to have just one) and a main event star, if WWE were inclined to push him as one. He's got the talent, is comfortable on the mic, is over with the crowd and had momentum on his side. The only weakness he had was their bizarre goat obsession which did him no favours and never got over, despite how much they tried to shoehorn it. They just didn't have the conviction to exploit his potential. This company are insane. Their motivations irrational, and their booking defies all logic.
If anyone seriously thinks that Reigns, Ryback and Langston will ever define an era, I have some magic beans to sell you
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Post by Kayfabe FAN don't want none on Nov 16, 2013 22:03:22 GMT -5
Everything Wrestling Love said is right. {Spoiler}Not really
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Post by Lupin the Third on Nov 16, 2013 22:12:46 GMT -5
I can't help you with your question if you truly believe that the fans are so simple minded as to get behind a superstar solely because he has a fun chant. You honestly think that the audience is going to accept someone as a main eventer all those months just because he says "Yes!" a lot? Not to mention, your theory doesn't explain why people at home, who aren't in the audience chanting "Yes!", like him. Wait, so am I the only one that chants "YES!" when he's on my TV?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2013 22:20:20 GMT -5
If anyone seriously thinks that Reigns, Ryback and Langston will ever define an era, I have some magic beans to sell you Okay, I'm so happy I wasn't the only one thinking that. Not to say it's impossible, but come on man. That sounds a little too generous.
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Post by Bishblast on Nov 16, 2013 22:49:42 GMT -5
Talent, maybe?
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Nov 16, 2013 23:08:04 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan isn't a legitimate main event star, but a gap-stop, similar to Chris Benoit in 2004. Benoit's "thank you" reign helped usher in the Cena/Batista/Orton era, and Bryan's "thank you" reign, when it happens, will usher in the Ryback/Reigns/Langston era. Hmm, that's an interesting way to look at this. The way I see it, WWE's been using the safety net provided by Rock (and later Brock) to experiment a bit. They know they've got big name guys to bring in for Wrestlemania and a few other top PPVs, so they used this as an opportunity to try pushing Punk and later Bryan and see if their support among diehard fans would translate to a larger audience, even though they're not the conventional type of main eventers WWE normally promotes.
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