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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2013 8:25:57 GMT -5
I hear a lot of people in this topic saying Bryan didn't get yes over, and they just chant it because it's fun to chant.
Do you guys actually remember how Yes got started? The post mania crowd going nuts chanting it as a sign of support for Bryan after 18 seconds? Yes works because Bryan had that organic connection with the crowd and they wanted to love him so much.
On a less serious note, if yes is all it takes to make a superstar than why doesn't Diego Sanchez have Chael Sonnen levels of popularity?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2013 10:24:11 GMT -5
Hmm, that's an interesting way to look at this. I agree... from a vast, far away galaxy wherein any shred of reason and common sense is so far removed that it cannot even be detected with a super magnified Hubble telescope. Ok.
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Post by The Ichi on Nov 17, 2013 13:03:03 GMT -5
It's not a new argument. A year ago, these very forums were awash with Intelligent, Discerning Wrestling Fans declaring "FEED ME MORE" was only getting chanted at arena-shaking levels because fans like to chant along with things and Roidback totally isn't really all that over. But Bryan has TEH WORKRATEZ and Roidback is just some muscled up Goldberg (despite the only similarity is a bald head) wannabe with NO WORKRATEZ. How to lose all credibility in one post: use the word "workrate" in a mocking fashion (bonus points for using it in all caps, with a "z" attached to the end).
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Post by 543Y2J on Nov 17, 2013 13:19:02 GMT -5
The thing that get's to me is people seem to think Bryan was not over in any way shape or form until YES! started. He was over from when he had the terrific segments with Cole/Miz after he was eliminated in NXT that showed he was good on the mic ("The best person for THIS JOB, is me!!"), he had a connection with the crowd since then. Hell, people got behind him before that during his match with Batista during the NXT season when he played David (vs Goliath) perfectly and made Batista look great in the process. People were chanting his name at PPVs after tie gate, begging for him to get his job back.
He was slowly gaining more and more of a reaction as a midcard face on Raw then SD in 2011, leading to his MITB win (which he got a massive pop for of course with it being in Chicago). Yes, the crowd may not have been their loudest during his entrances during that time, but they were looking and paying attention to what he was doing in the ring, when he was putting on amazing matches week after week, getting the best matches out of anybody.
Then the overlap happened with Dick Boyfriend Bryan and YES!, as they are both around the same time I guess they morph into one. But still, he was getting the Dick Boyfriend character over, getting massive heat and the audience was reacting to everything he said to AJ. They were begging for someone to teach him a lesson, whether it would be Big Show or Sheamus leading to 18 seconds. Then Yes!, Team Hell No happened and then being put over the top and breaking through for good with Shield matches.
To say that it was YES! that made Bryan, got him over and forged the relationship with him and the audience would contradict his past years in the company of having over face/heel characters, as well as the fans attention to his match quality in the years leading up to YES!.
Plus keep in mind the fanbase he had coming over from the indys/roh (like myself) who knew the talent they had with him, who make up a small majority (compared to the kids) of the WWE fanbase. We may not be a large group but smarks (if i must use the term) do not go unheard within the "universe"
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Nov 17, 2013 14:24:47 GMT -5
I think the reputation Bryan acquired in ROH combined with how they marketed him may have been detrimental in the long run. Not in the sense that him being regarded as a great worker or a badass is bad or anything, but it certainly hurt him in terms of being considered a complete package (which includes mic work, timing, in-ring acting, etc). If you look at some of his interviews from other indie companies, the dude's funny and charming as hell.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2013 14:46:49 GMT -5
You have the "No!" chants.
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Post by Ape Boy on Nov 17, 2013 19:04:17 GMT -5
Jesus Christ, imagine an era of Langston and Ryback. Haha, f*** me. Yeah, that would be the WWE's Bankrupt Era. True. Big, powerful men with oodles of charisma, like Ryback and Langston*, have never drawn in wrestling, it's always been those scrawny guys with no mic skills. WWE has clearly found their next boom period by pushing Daniel Bryan. *yes, they both have the famed "it factor."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2013 19:17:16 GMT -5
Yeah, that would be the WWE's Bankrupt Era. True. Big, powerful men with oodles of charisma, like Ryback and Langston*, have never drawn in wrestling, it's always been those scrawny guys with no mic skills. WWE has clearly found their next boom period by pushing Daniel Bryan. *yes, they both have the famed "it factor." Well Steve Austin and Hulk Hogan were not really big draws at least not compared to Bret Hart or Shawn Michaels
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 17, 2013 19:17:34 GMT -5
Yeah, that would be the WWE's Bankrupt Era. True. Big, powerful men with oodles of charisma, like Ryback and Langston*, have never drawn in wrestling, it's always been those scrawny guys with no mic skills. WWE has clearly found their next boom period by pushing Daniel Bryan. *yes, they both have the famed "it factor." So does Bryan. And Bryan is not scrawny. He has a wide and very beefy frame.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 17, 2013 19:33:23 GMT -5
It's possible to acknowledge someone is over and/or talented even if you personally don't care for em.
That's a weird common theme around here in regard to a buncha guys, somehow "I don't like him" = "No one likes em, or should like em" despite mountains of evidence to the contrary.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 17, 2013 20:17:00 GMT -5
Yeah, that would be the WWE's Bankrupt Era. True. Big, powerful men with oodles of charisma, like Ryback and Langston*, have never drawn in wrestling, it's always been those scrawny guys with no mic skills. WWE has clearly found their next boom period by pushing Daniel Bryan. *yes, they both have the famed "it factor." As Vince used to say, WWE is like a three ring circus. If you don't like the clowns, there's always the elephants or the acrobats. Nobody on the current roster is going to usher in the next boom period, but relying on like likes of Ryback and Langston without guys like Bryan isn't going to push business forward any more than relying on Bryan and ignoring Ryback and Langston. I personally think this current roster has the best balance of elephants, acrobats and clowns for at least 25 years. Yes, they lack a Hogan, Austin or Rock-like megastar to build the company around, but Cena is credible enough to fill that role in principal and the roster is talented and varied enough to keep things interesting.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Nov 17, 2013 20:22:13 GMT -5
It's possible to acknowledge someone is over and/or talented even if you personally don't care for em. That's a weird common theme around here in regard to a buncha guys, somehow "I don't like him" = "No one likes em, or should like em" despite mountains of evidence to the contrary. It's pure insecurity. People feel like they have to validate their opinion and feel like they're "right" so they say bullshit like "Daniel Bryan wouldn't be over without the yes chants." It's just dumb. As I said before, be confident in your opinion. I don't like AJ but you don't see me talking about how she's not over.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Nov 17, 2013 20:31:32 GMT -5
They already did take away the "yes" chant. It belongs to every face, and mostly Big Show now. "Yes" is the new "what." I hope everyone is ready for ten more years of it. For Big Show and every other face, the Yes chant has not even worked even closely as well as it worked with Daniel Bryan. Any person who watches the show can tell you that.
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Post by nate5054 on Nov 18, 2013 3:08:24 GMT -5
*yes, they both have the famed "it factor." Really? Have they hidden it or something?
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Nov 18, 2013 3:36:20 GMT -5
Immense power over strangers he's never met. His victory or defeat in a fake wrestling matching can make or ruin the lives of dozens and dozens of people. He also doesn't have a television. And he doesn't eat meat. What a maroon. Beards are in right now.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Nov 18, 2013 15:53:38 GMT -5
yeah but...he wasn't. Once he started being pushed as 'the guy' he was coming out to very muted reactions. I just think maybe this could be another one of those times. If they actually went with him I think interest in the character could drop off. We've all been around a long time and we've all seen these kinds of things a dime a dozen and anyone asks if there's any substance to it gets dismissed like I have and two years later said superstar is curtain jerking on main event and we've all moved onto the next 'fad' that everyone's convinced will be a star and anyone who disagrees is a fool...that time, for sure. I just fear all too often people react with haste on the back of someone being popular. Because the fans join in with a chant or get behind you why these days must it automatically lead to a rush to the main event? We complain about lack of strength in the midcard, is it any wonder when the second someone gains traction it's demanded they be main-evented Eh, once he got pushed into the feud with Punk, it was obvious to many that he wouldn't be winning the title & his streak would be gone. Until that point his streak was making him an interesting character. The dude should have kept steamrolling jobbers instead of fighting Punk (who is established as "over" with the fans, even while he was a heel). He immediately became less interesting after he lost his first match. but he'd have to fight a real opponent eventually. he WAS over but nobody can exist in a vaccuum where everyone ignores them or else fans stop caring (see Del Rio, Alberto). he WAS rushed into that angle, make no mistake, but if "he wins every time" was all WWE "Creative" had going for him maybe it's for the best that he lost and had to be retooled.
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 18, 2013 15:56:31 GMT -5
Yeah, that would be the WWE's Bankrupt Era. True. Big, powerful men with oodles of charisma, like Ryback and Langston*, have never drawn in wrestling, it's always been those scrawny guys with no mic skills. WWE has clearly found their next boom period by pushing Daniel Bryan. *yes, they both have the famed "it factor." Yep, in the "it....would be a good time to have a bathroom break" when they appear on TV, sense of the word
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Post by Loser troll. Please ban me on Nov 18, 2013 16:00:12 GMT -5
...what does Bryan have? I just don't get it. I see the chant is fun and everyone joins in. I also see what everyone dances when Fandango comes out but I can't make the jump between that and wanting him in the world title scene. As far as I see he went from being a comedy tag team into someone spoken about at main event level but other than the audience participation is there really much clamour to see him. If the audience didn't do that, then what other evidence would there be or what other reasons would there be to have him in the main event picture? Talent, charisma, great wrestling, and general overness? besides that, not much, what a nerd
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Post by Perd on Nov 18, 2013 16:06:41 GMT -5
Take away his arms.
Everybody would be all "Put me in The Yes Lock now, Bitch!"
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Post by The Ichi on Nov 18, 2013 16:22:28 GMT -5
He'd still be a genius, billionaire, playboy philanthropist.
...Wait, that's Tony Stark.
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