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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Nov 16, 2013 23:22:57 GMT -5
Jesus Christ, imagine an era of Langston and Ryback. Haha, f*** me.
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Nov 17, 2013 0:59:36 GMT -5
The O.P. is right in that, as far as charisma goes, Bryan's living off of a shallow, obnoxious chant. Take away the "YES!" chant and he's Dean Malenko. He's a nice wrestler, but nobody in their right mind views him as a cornerstone in a major worldwide wrestling company. Daniel Bryan isn't a legitimate main event star, but a gap-stop, similar to Chris Benoit in 2004. Benoit's "thank you" reign helped usher in the Cena/Batista/Orton era, and Bryan's "thank you" reign, when it happens, will usher in the Ryback/Reigns/Langston era. Yes chant or not, Bryan's more entertaining to me than Dean Malenko ever was.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Nov 17, 2013 0:59:52 GMT -5
The O.P. is right in that, as far as charisma goes, Bryan's living off of a shallow, obnoxious chant. Take away the "YES!" chant and he's Dean Malenko. He's a nice wrestler, but nobody in their right mind views him as a cornerstone in a major worldwide wrestling company. Daniel Bryan isn't a legitimate main event star, but a gap-stop, similar to Chris Benoit in 2004. Benoit's "thank you" reign helped usher in the Cena/Batista/Orton era, and Bryan's "thank you" reign, when it happens, will usher in the Ryback/Reigns/Langston era. I think you are smoking too much of the wacky tobacky to think Ryback, Reigns, and Langston are the future of the WWE.
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Post by thegame415 on Nov 17, 2013 1:09:18 GMT -5
That can pretty much be said for just about everyone,
Without Austin 3:16 and middle fingers, who was Stone Cold?
With out Jabroni's and eyebrows, who was the Rock?
Without Wheelin Dealin and the strut, who was Ric Flair?
Without Hulkamania, who was Hogan?
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Post by FinalGwen on Nov 17, 2013 1:18:30 GMT -5
Remember when he wasn't even part of the company, and PPVs were filled with Daniel Bryan chants? How him and Bateman became a hilarious odd couple? His dancing with the Divas and being pursued by the Bellas because they wanted to take his "veganity"? How his cowardly heel act and celebrating over winning by DQ became really popular before it solidified into the "YES" chants?
This myth that he was utterly without support before the chants and Team Hell No is just that, a myth. And not even a particularly convincing one. For all the Dean Malenko comparisons, he was never the "iceman". He was a goofy, nerdy guy with a ton of fun moments and interactions with other wrestlers. And people enjoyed it.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Nov 17, 2013 2:06:08 GMT -5
The O.P. is right in that, as far as charisma goes, Bryan's living off of a shallow, obnoxious chant. Take away the "YES!" chant and he's Dean Malenko. He's a nice wrestler, but nobody in their right mind views him as a cornerstone in a major worldwide wrestling company. Daniel Bryan isn't a legitimate main event star, but a gap-stop, similar to Chris Benoit in 2004. Benoit's "thank you" reign helped usher in the Cena/Batista/Orton era, and Bryan's "thank you" reign, when it happens, will usher in the Ryback/Reigns/Langston era. I think you are smoking too much of the wacky tobacky to think Ryback, Reigns, and Langston are the future of the WWE. I don't agree that Bryan is boring or anything either, but we never know where the stars of the future are going to come from. If someone would have told me that the scrub in the green trunks who was rap battling with Rikishi and Kidman was going to be the top face of the company for a decade, I would have laughed pretty hard.
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Post by D2: Sweet & Sour Edition on Nov 17, 2013 2:09:01 GMT -5
A beard and a Bella.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 17, 2013 2:13:21 GMT -5
What's the difference?
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Post by Ape Boy on Nov 17, 2013 2:18:26 GMT -5
Without Austin 3:16 and middle fingers, who was Stone Cold? A great worker with great mic skills and immense charisma. With out Jabroni's and eyebrows, who was the Rock? A solid worker with great mic skills and immense charisma. Without Wheelin Dealin and the strut, who was Ric Flair? A great worker with great mic skills and immense charisma. Without Hulkamania, who was Hogan? A decent bigman worker with great mic skills and immense charisma. Stone Cold, Rock, Flair, and Hogan made their characters. The Yes! chant made Daniel Bryan. The four megastars listed above all had massive, larger-than-life personalities. They weren't men made popular by catachphrases, the catchphrases were made popular by the men. I think in Bryan's case, the exact opposite is true. Nobody's chanting "YES!" because an ugly 5'7" goof who looks like he needs a hot shower is saying it, they're chanting it because it's fun to chant. The chant made Daniel Bryan, not vice versa. Take away the chant and you're left with a lot of technically-sound matches, but a performer nobody but the smarks care about.
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Post by thegame415 on Nov 17, 2013 2:22:26 GMT -5
Without Austin 3:16 and middle fingers, who was Stone Cold? A great worker with great mic skills and immense charisma. With out Jabroni's and eyebrows, who was the Rock? A solid worker with great mic skills and immense charisma. Without Wheelin Dealin and the strut, who was Ric Flair? A great worker with great mic skills and immense charisma. Without Hulkamania, who was Hogan? A decent bigman worker with great mic skills and immense charisma. Stone Cold, Rock, Flair, and Hogan made their characters. The Yes! chant made Daniel Bryan. The four megastars listed above all had massive, larger-than-life personalities. They weren't men made popular by catachphrases, the catchphrases were made popular by the men. I think in Bryan's case, the exact opposite is true. Nobody's chanting "YES!" because an ugly 5'7" goof who looks like he needs a hot shower is saying it, they're chanting it because it's fun to chant. The chant made Daniel Bryan, not vice versa. Take away the chant and you're left with a lot of technically-sound matches, but a performer nobody but the smarks care about. So you're saying Austin 3:16 didn't make Stone Cold? That he was over before that?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2013 3:19:31 GMT -5
I wish everyone would just accept that other people have different things they like in wrestling seriously Bryan is a good wrestler no doubt but that doesn't mean everyone sees him as a special star and some people do me personally i feel he is rather overrated maybe its just being spoiled by Misawa and Kobashi when i was younger but to me he just seems rather bland
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2013 3:26:47 GMT -5
They already did take away the "yes" chant. It belongs to every face, and mostly Big Show now.
"Yes" is the new "what." I hope everyone is ready for ten more years of it.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Nov 17, 2013 3:56:49 GMT -5
I wish everyone would just accept that other people have different things they like in wrestling seriously Bryan is a good wrestler no doubt but that doesn't mean everyone sees him as a special star and some people do me personally i feel he is rather overrated maybe its just being spoiled by Misawa and Kobashi when i was younger but to me he just seems rather bland On the contrary to that, you have to accept that a lot of people do like Bryan. You can try to rationalize it away by saying it's just the chants or whatever but it's kind of silly to deny that he's over, and condescending to try to downplay his accomplishments at getting over to justify ones own distaste in the man.
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Post by bearned on Nov 17, 2013 4:04:14 GMT -5
I think it was getting beaten by Seamus at wrestlemania that made Bryan and the subsequent backlash. He has been knocking it out of the park match quality wise for a very long time and people recognise that.
Of course the Yes chants are a big part of his success but it's ridiculous to think that's the only reason he is 'over'
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Post by Starshine on Nov 17, 2013 4:08:30 GMT -5
If anyone seriously thinks that Reigns, Ryback and Langston will ever define an era, I have some magic beans to sell you Okay, I'm so happy I wasn't the only one thinking that. Not to say it's impossible, but come on man. That sounds a little too generous. Why's that so funny guys? Don't you remember that time where Bret Hart got a "thank you" reign before they set off the era of Luger, Tatanka, and Mabel? Now excuse me while I lay down for a bit, I bumped my head earlier.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2013 5:04:18 GMT -5
I wish everyone would just accept that other people have different things they like in wrestling seriously Bryan is a good wrestler no doubt but that doesn't mean everyone sees him as a special star and some people do me personally i feel he is rather overrated maybe its just being spoiled by Misawa and Kobashi when i was younger but to me he just seems rather bland On the contrary to that, you have to accept that a lot of people do like Bryan. You can try to rationalize it away by saying it's just the chants or whatever but it's kind of silly to deny that he's over, and condescending to try to downplay his accomplishments at getting over to justify ones own distaste in the man. Dude i did say i see why people like him i just said i didn't like him he his very talented just not my thing
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Post by nate5054 on Nov 17, 2013 5:16:54 GMT -5
Jesus Christ, imagine an era of Langston and Ryback. Haha, f*** me. Yeah, that would be the WWE's Bankrupt Era.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Nov 17, 2013 6:36:46 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan isn't a legitimate main event star, but a gap-stop, similar to Chris Benoit in 2004. Benoit's "thank you" reign helped usher in the Cena/Batista/Orton era, and Bryan's "thank you" reign, when it happens, will usher in the Ryback/Reigns/Langston era. Hmm, that's an interesting way to look at this. I agree... from a vast, far away galaxy wherein any shred of reason and common sense is so far removed that it cannot even be detected with a super magnified Hubble telescope.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Nov 17, 2013 7:53:39 GMT -5
On the contrary to that, you have to accept that a lot of people do like Bryan. You can try to rationalize it away by saying it's just the chants or whatever but it's kind of silly to deny that he's over, and condescending to try to downplay his accomplishments at getting over to justify ones own distaste in the man. Dude i did say i see why people like him i just said i didn't like him he his very talented just not my thing Sorry I do see that you do credit him, my point was more directed toward the OP who seems to want to downplay his success by putting it all on the chant.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Nov 17, 2013 8:03:48 GMT -5
There's no such thing as "overrated", because that implies that the opinion of the individual saying it is correct and absolute. Said guy is the one deciding whatever is overrated based on said guy's own personal standards and nothing more. It's a silly phrase that needs to die, and one that should be replaced with "I personally don't like (whatever)."
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