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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Nov 27, 2013 23:36:08 GMT -5
My problem with the whole "Face of the Company" argument" is over the years, how many people actually legitimately held the distinction of being "the guy?" Bruno,Hogan,Stone Cold and Cena are all I can think of and Bruno is just a guess.
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Post by angryfan on Nov 27, 2013 23:36:56 GMT -5
My problem with the whole "Face of the Company" argument" is over the years, how many people actually legitimately held the distinction of being "the guy?" A very small number. How far do we go back? The beginning of the WWWF? Single guy at the top of the mountain and not a rotation of top tier guys like in the Attitude Era? If I take it back to Bruno, there have been four who have had the entire product circulate around them? Bruno, Backlund, Hogan, and then we had the hodge-podge/multi man years of Hart/Micheals and Austin/Rock/Taker/Foley, then we got Triple H as the single top guy after everybody left, and then Cena. So in almost 50 years, five men have been able to say they were the single top guy in the company. Austin was the main draw during the Attitude Era, but to say The Rock wasn't "the guy" at points seems wrong to me. They were kind of "the guy" by committee. Triple H, I just had to have someone from post Alliance to Cena's start, and since Trips had the Reign of Terror, seems like he'd be "the guy". Lesnar and Angle were top guys in that time period and had mainstream pub and whatnot, but I don't know if they would qualify or if they were a committee of sorts.
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Post by Crimson on Nov 27, 2013 23:37:26 GMT -5
My problem with the whole "Face of the Company" argument" is over the years, how many people actually legitimately held the distinction of being "the guy?" A very small number. My problem with the Face of the Company storyline is that the heels repeatedly said that the face wasn't up to that level, then booked themselves to be correct So I don't see the point or endgame of the story. By all logic, the face should have been booked to prove them wrong. He already had fan support. That's the hard part accomplished. All they needed to do was give the fans what they wanted. Yeah I think the storyline is stupid, ut I find the complaint that "____" wrestler here should be the top face equally silly. Mic Foley was #3 behind Austin and Rock during the Attitude Era and I rarely see people complain now in days about Foley not being properly used. As long as Punk and Bryan continue to be prominently used I don't think it matters if they're always in the title scene.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Nov 27, 2013 23:40:03 GMT -5
My problem with the whole "Face of the Company" argument" is over the years, how many people actually legitimately held the distinction of being "the guy?" Bruno,Hogan,Stone Cold and Cena are all I can think of and Bruno is just a guess. The ones I can think of for sure are Bruno Sammartino, Bob Backlund, Hulk Hogan, Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Steve Austin, and John Cena. Does Pedro Morales count? He held the WWWF title for years, but that was way before my time so I have no idea whether he was seriously treated as bigger than Bruno at the time. One could argue Ultimate Warrior, but they reverted back to Hogan pretty fast. I'm not sure if there was anyone who really qualifies over the '02-'04 period... Lesnar was supposed to be it, but I'd say he left before he was really ingrained as THE guy.
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Post by Crimson on Nov 27, 2013 23:43:02 GMT -5
And my last point on the matter. Cena first got over like gang busters in 2003. He didn't get his massive push until 2005, and even then, he was originally being pushed as number 2 behind Batista. I know it's hard, sometimes patience is needed before we preemptively claim the company dropped the ball on someone.
Daniel Bryan is still getting a lot of focus in the company. Even if Cena becomes the new "Undisputed Champion" you have to imagine that Bryan will end up being one of the very first challengers.
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Post by BigWill on Nov 27, 2013 23:55:32 GMT -5
And my last point on the matter. Cena first got over like gang busters in 2003. He didn't get his massive push until 2005, and even then, he was originally being pushed as number 2 behind Batista. I know it's hard, sometimes patience is needed before we preemptively claim the company dropped the ball on someone. Daniel Bryan is still getting a lot of focus in the company. Even if Cena becomes the new "Undisputed Champion" you have to imagine that Bryan will end up being one of the very first challengers. Daniel Bryan simply being a contender for the title later down the road isn't the point. It doesn't matter if Bryan gets booked well in the years to come, or if he even gets a title shot against Cena a few months from now. The logical conclusion of the storyline should be Daniel Bryan winning the title from Orton. Anything else would look like bad booking. It's not about Bryan not getting enough focus. It's about Bryan being constantly told he is a B+ player, and inferior to Orton. So until he manages to prove the Authority wrong, that's what he'll look like.
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