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Post by hossfan on Nov 27, 2013 8:08:01 GMT -5
Here's my question: if WWE's plan is to have Bryan win the Royal Rumble and become WWE Champion at Wrestlemania (like I think it is), do those people who keep criticizing the company for "ignoring" those chants think they should change the script and give him the belt sooner?
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Nov 27, 2013 8:33:46 GMT -5
Here's my question: if WWE's plan is to have Bryan win the Royal Rumble and become WWE Champion at Wrestlemania (like I think it is), do those people who keep criticizing the company for "ignoring" those chants think they should change the script and give him the belt sooner? What is it about Bryan's booking to date that says to you that he's a guy the WWE are planning to give a 'Wrestlemania moment' to? Is it the way his match at Wrestlemania XXVII was bumped from the card? Was it the way they had him lose the World Heavyweight Title in a squash match at the Wrestlemania after that? The way they've repeatedly ignored people chanting for him in the past? Or is it the way the WWE have proven they love giving the crowd what they want and are the masters of long term booking? Seriously, no-one has any reason to give the WWE the benefit of the doubt.
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Post by hossfan on Nov 27, 2013 8:49:00 GMT -5
Here's my question: if WWE's plan is to have Bryan win the Royal Rumble and become WWE Champion at Wrestlemania (like I think it is), do those people who keep criticizing the company for "ignoring" those chants think they should change the script and give him the belt sooner? What is it about Bryan's booking to date that says to you that he's a guy the WWE are planning to give a 'Wrestlemania moment' to? Is it the way his match at Wrestlemania XXVII was bumped from the card? Was it the way they had him lose the World Heavyweight Title in a squash match at the Wrestlemania after that? The way they've repeatedly ignored people chanting for him in the past? Or is it the way the WWE have proven they love giving the crowd what they want and are the masters of long term booking? Seriously, no-one has any reason to give the WWE the benefit of the doubt. Its the way he beat John Cena clean as a sheet at Summer Slam, something no one else on the active roster has done. Its the way he's had the current champ's number through out the feud, showing himself again and again to be the better wrestler who has to be screwed out of winning by a corrupt regime. Its the way he hasn't had a clean loss in months.
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Post by nisidhe on Nov 27, 2013 9:07:46 GMT -5
What is it about Bryan's booking to date that says to you that he's a guy the WWE are planning to give a 'Wrestlemania moment' to? Is it the way his match at Wrestlemania XXVII was bumped from the card? Was it the way they had him lose the World Heavyweight Title in a squash match at the Wrestlemania after that? The way they've repeatedly ignored people chanting for him in the past? Or is it the way the WWE have proven they love giving the crowd what they want and are the masters of long term booking? Seriously, no-one has any reason to give the WWE the benefit of the doubt. I think WWE has been gun-shy about giving anybody a "Wrestlemania moment" since 2007; seeing "that moment" from Wrestlemania XX splashed all over the media in the wake of the Benoit tragedy might do that. The idea that Daniel Bryan and CM Punk, or whoever, might perform a repeat of that moment ten years later might still rub the McMahons the wrong way; moments like that fall outside the McMahons' control, no matter what they may do afterwards to punish and cover up. This is not a business problem for the family, but a psychological one. The McMahons are scared shitless and it's negatively impacting their product. They've always tried hard to control how fans responded to their product when, in reality, there's no real way to control a collaborative creative process (which is what wrestling is.)
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Post by kingoftheindies on Nov 27, 2013 9:11:36 GMT -5
It definitely feels like a lot of the talent nowadays don't know how to react or save a segment when the crowd doesn't react as desired, that or they aren't allowed to. I think a lot of the strange crowd chants are part of this, most segments are done for the camera rather then to the audience and a lot of the chants feel like a cry for attention some times. I think for a lot of guys it's a mixture of both. As even on the indies anymore, most promos are taped in backstage segments, but it's been mentioned a lot that due to some people ruining it for others, WWE doesn't want guys going against the script. The only reason Punk is able to is because he kept ripping up the scripts handed to him. I do find it rather funny not just with Cena and Orton, but with Divas and other wrestlers and characters in the past that you could practically hear in the announcers voices how perplexed people were certain things weren't getting over. My favorite instances were Mike Adamle as GM of Raw and when WWE was trying to get Snitsky over as a monster heel with bad teeth. Oh another one was when the fans were begging for Ryder to fight Ziggler for the US title and the WWE booked Morrison. You could see that Morrison had no idea what to do during the match as the crowd chanted for Ryder.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Nov 27, 2013 9:13:19 GMT -5
Here's my question: if WWE's plan is to have Bryan win the Royal Rumble and become WWE Champion at Wrestlemania (like I think it is), do those people who keep criticizing the company for "ignoring" those chants think they should change the script and give him the belt sooner? No. If that happens as you suggested, we won't have anything to complain about. But if not, it justifies our anger and frustration. WM is make or break as far as this storyline goes. We find out undisputedly if WWE listens to its audience, or just plugs ahead with their stale status quo.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Nov 27, 2013 9:22:19 GMT -5
Its the way he beat John Cena clean as a sheet at Summer Slam, something no one else on the active roster has done. Its the way he's had the current champ's number through out the feud, showing himself again and again to be the better wrestler who has to be screwed out of winning by a corrupt regime. Its the way he hasn't had a clean loss in months. He gets one clean win and a loss immediately afterward to knock the wind from his sails, he then gets used primarily to make someone else seem like a bigger heel before he's returned to the midcard to make way for title feuds between Orton and Big Show, then Orton and Cena. While he hasn't been jobbed out they're not going out of their way to make him seem like a star either, he's no longer a major player in the storyline they're building up for the next few months of PPVs, he's in a midcard feud and tagging with someone else that's treading water, which hardly screams 'winning the world title at Wrestlemania' to me. We're more likely to see Cena versus Triple H with Punk v Bryan in the midcard, because the fans are chanting they want Cena to take down the authority.
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Post by hossfan on Nov 27, 2013 9:33:00 GMT -5
Its the way he beat John Cena clean as a sheet at Summer Slam, something no one else on the active roster has done. Its the way he's had the current champ's number through out the feud, showing himself again and again to be the better wrestler who has to be screwed out of winning by a corrupt regime. Its the way he hasn't had a clean loss in months. He gets one clean win and a loss immediately afterward to knock the wind from his sails, he then gets used primarily to make someone else seem like a bigger heel before he's returned to the midcard to make way for title feuds between Orton and Big Show, then Orton and Cena. While he hasn't been jobbed out they're not going out of their way to make him seem like a star either, he's no longer a major player in the storyline they're building up for the next few months of PPVs, he's in a midcard feud and tagging with someone else that's treading water, which hardly screams 'winning the world title at Wrestlemania' to me. We're more likely to see Cena versus Triple H with Punk v Bryan in the midcard, because the fans are chanting they want Cena to take down the authority. Bryan's not in the midcard. Kofi is in the midcard. Dolph's in the midcard. Bryan's facing the most legitimate heels on the roster not named Randy Orton or Alberto Del Rio and beating them.
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Post by Mesousa287793 on Nov 27, 2013 9:52:57 GMT -5
I would start a thread about the worst cases of the announcers telling me that the crowd is chanting for someone else, but I can't think of any specific examples yet. (No Way Out 2012) Crowd: LET'S GO ZIGGLER! *clap clap clap-clap-clap* LET'S GO ZIGGLER! *clap clap clap-clap-clap* Lawler: Listen to the WWE Universe, let's go Sheamus! "Batista getting a mixed reaction from the ECW faithful." "Big Show also getting a mixed reaction from the ECW fans tonight." Not a chant, more like "hiding" the (very loud) booing, but close enough.
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Post by g1megatronfan on Nov 27, 2013 10:13:52 GMT -5
You can't blame the crowd. WWE is giving people something they clearly don't want. They want something different and the idiots refuse to listen to their customers.
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Post by kevin on Nov 27, 2013 11:06:40 GMT -5
What is it about Bryan's booking to date that says to you that he's a guy the WWE are planning to give a 'Wrestlemania moment' to? Is it the way his match at Wrestlemania XXVII was bumped from the card? Was it the way they had him lose the World Heavyweight Title in a squash match at the Wrestlemania after that? The way they've repeatedly ignored people chanting for him in the past? Or is it the way the WWE have proven they love giving the crowd what they want and are the masters of long term booking? Seriously, no-one has any reason to give the WWE the benefit of the doubt. Its the way he beat John Cena clean as a sheet at Summer Slam, something no one else on the active roster has done. Its the way he's had the current champ's number through out the feud, showing himself again and again to be the better wrestler who has to be screwed out of winning by a corrupt regime. Its the way he hasn't had a clean loss in months. Indeed for the past four months no one on the Roster has been as protected as Daneil Bryan has no one. Randy Orton was shown in three payperveiws as having no chance to beat him one on one. Yet now people think he will be dropped to the midvard??? Are they serious? Do prople actually think this? How is it even possible unless you ignore every one of his matches since he beat Cena clean? Comoareing him to zack Ryder is crazy too. Zack is someone who gas never been booked strongly. Daneil is a three time world champion who had been booked as unbeatable and proved it by beating the two biggest names on the roster. I do not ubderstand peoples ability to completely ignore Bryan beeing booked as the best wrestler in the compay to comlain that he needs to be booked better. How much better could he possibly be booked? How many ways do they need to show that no one is beating him right now before some people accept that he is booked strongly?
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 27, 2013 11:14:53 GMT -5
Here's my question: if WWE's plan is to have Bryan win the Royal Rumble and become WWE Champion at Wrestlemania (like I think it is), do those people who keep criticizing the company for "ignoring" those chants think they should change the script and give him the belt sooner? What is it about Bryan's booking to date that says to you that he's a guy the WWE are planning to give a 'Wrestlemania moment' to? Is it the way his match at Wrestlemania XXVII was bumped from the card? Was it the way they had him lose the World Heavyweight Title in a squash match at the Wrestlemania after that? The way they've repeatedly ignored people chanting for him in the past? Or is it the way the WWE have proven they love giving the crowd what they want and are the masters of long term booking? Seriously, no-one has any reason to give the WWE the benefit of the doubt. That wasn't the question, though.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Nov 27, 2013 12:17:16 GMT -5
Its the way he beat John Cena clean as a sheet at Summer Slam, something no one else on the active roster has done. Its the way he's had the current champ's number through out the feud, showing himself again and again to be the better wrestler who has to be screwed out of winning by a corrupt regime. Its the way he hasn't had a clean loss in months. Indeed for the past four months no one on the Roster has been as protected as Daneil Bryan has no one. Randy Orton was shown in three payperveiws as having no chance to beat him one on one. Yet now people think he will be dropped to the midvard??? Are they serious? Do prople actually think this? How is it even possible unless you ignore every one of his matches since he beat Cena clean? Comoareing him to zack Ryder is crazy too. Zack is someone who gas never been booked strongly. Daneil is a three time world champion who had been booked as unbeatable and proved it by beating the two biggest names on the roster. I do not ubderstand peoples ability to completely ignore Bryan beeing booked as the best wrestler in the compay to comlain that he needs to be booked better. How much better could he possibly be booked? How many ways do they need to show that no one is beating him right now before some people accept that he is booked strongly? Will be dropped? He HAS BEEN dropped. People often confuse,(which is partially to blame on WWE's all or nothing booking) the midcard with the undercard. Bryan is in a midcard feud. It's a feud on the level with midcard belt holders, unless you truly believe any member of the Shield or Wyatt's will be in the World/Heavyweight Title picture soon, because despite their run ins they haven't been there as competitors. Being in the midcard shouldn't be a bad thing, but in WWE it is and especially for Bryan it is.
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Post by Tha Don on Nov 27, 2013 13:03:08 GMT -5
Cena is annoying, he acts like he cares about what the crowd thinks, when the majority don't chant for him. "Listen to them" "Listen to these people" *Mores mic away from mouth to direct it to the crowd* aka so annoying.
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Nov 27, 2013 15:25:37 GMT -5
It's why I can't honestly call myself a fan of WWE and haven't been able to since the fall of 2000, when Stephanie took over the creative team and the quality of storytelling and drama took a noticeable nosedive.
Why am I still here? Because I love professional wrestling and the possibilities that stem from it. There's nothing else like it. Pro-wrestling, at its core, isn't supposed to feel scripted. It's supposed to be rife with possibilities that will shock you, surprise you, and get you tuning in week after week, feverishly buying the PPVs because you have to experience them live instead of reading spoilers online. Occasionally, this mindset still breaks through Vince, Stephanie, and Dunn's tightly-controlled sterile regime: ECW's rebirth. The first days of the Nexus. The Summer of Punk. Bryan's ascension this past summer. All of them have turned to absolute shit, of course, which just makes me feel like a battered spouse for believing in WWE again.
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Post by Turd Ferguson on Nov 27, 2013 15:59:33 GMT -5
People can chant all they want.
The second D-Bry's T-Shirt sales compete with John Cena's is when they'll make him the face of the company.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Nov 27, 2013 16:05:22 GMT -5
People can chant all they want. The second D-Bry's T-Shirt sales compete with John Cena's is when they'll make him the face of the company. Like they did with Punk when his did?
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Post by mrjl on Nov 27, 2013 16:35:43 GMT -5
Indeed for the past four months no one on the Roster has been as protected as Daneil Bryan has no one. Randy Orton was shown in three payperveiws as having no chance to beat him one on one. Yet now people think he will be dropped to the midvard??? Are they serious? Do prople actually think this? How is it even possible unless you ignore every one of his matches since he beat Cena clean? Comoareing him to zack Ryder is crazy too. Zack is someone who gas never been booked strongly. Daneil is a three time world champion who had been booked as unbeatable and proved it by beating the two biggest names on the roster. I do not ubderstand peoples ability to completely ignore Bryan beeing booked as the best wrestler in the compay to comlain that he needs to be booked better. How much better could he possibly be booked? How many ways do they need to show that no one is beating him right now before some people accept that he is booked strongly? Will be dropped? He HAS BEEN dropped. People often confuse,(which is partially to blame on WWE's all or nothing booking) the midcard with the undercard. Bryan is in a midcard feud. It's a feud on the level with midcard belt holders, unless you truly believe any member of the Shield or Wyatt's will be in the World/Heavyweight Title picture soon, because despite their run ins they haven't been there as competitors. Being in the midcard shouldn't be a bad thing, but in WWE it is and especially for Bryan it is. The WWE/World Title is no longer the be all end all of the main event scene
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Post by Turd Ferguson on Nov 27, 2013 18:39:45 GMT -5
People can chant all they want. The second D-Bry's T-Shirt sales compete with John Cena's is when they'll make him the face of the company. Like they did with Punk when his did? On one hand, they did give Punk the longest continual reign since before the days of RAW. On the other hand, while his merch sales were amazing, especially when he caught fire, they're nothing compared to the staying power Cena's merch has. Cena is THE money maker of the WWE, and so long as he's the golden cash and publicity cow (calf) for them, Vince will gladly keep him in spotlight. Especially if you consider this new K-Mart deal.
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Post by The Beast Disincarnate on Nov 27, 2013 19:14:42 GMT -5
I would start a thread about the worst cases of the announcers telling me that the crowd is chanting for someone else, but I can't think of any specific examples yet. Wrestlemania 18, heel Hogan is cheered like it's 1988 all over again and face Rock is booed out of the building: "A mixed reaction here at wrestlemania"
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