DragonMasterP
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Post by DragonMasterP on Nov 28, 2013 15:01:02 GMT -5
Make it NXT exclusive and it could work.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 28, 2013 15:04:33 GMT -5
No I'd favour making the IC title the de facto cruiserweight title. No title should ever be created just give jobbers to the stars "something to do" Those talents deserve to be more than jobbers though. They're too talented to have their careers wasted and deserve some semi respectable accomplishment. That being said, I wouldn't bring the Cruiserweight Championship back because like the World Heavyweight and United States Titles, it's merely a relic of WCW. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 28, 2013 15:07:21 GMT -5
No I'd favour making the IC title the de facto cruiserweight title. No title should ever be created just give jobbers to the stars "something to do" Those talents deserve to be more than jobbers though. They're too talented to have their careers wasted and deserve some semi respectable accomplishment. That being said, I wouldn't bring the Cruiserweight Championship back because like the World Heavyweight and United States Titles, it's merely a relic of WCW. They do deserve to be more than jobbers. Ideally I'd build a mid-card X-division style cruiserweight division around people like that, but not in "WWE", but in the adult orientated subsidiary that I always suggest. |
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Post by mrjl on Nov 28, 2013 15:08:18 GMT -5
WWE has over 50 guys right now and I got that number skipping over guys who rarely wrestle Your point? WWE had roughly that amount back in the heyday when they only had the tag titles, the WWE title and the IC title. It's doable. Partially the reason why titles mean so little these days is because there are so many and everybody gets a turn. With the trio of belts I mentioned or even just the WWE and IC, plus the tag and Divas, that's more than enough for a roster of their size. It would give the divisions actual depth to them and could potentially help to make the titles feel more important and more prestigious again. Rater than being gaudy looking props. Not everyone gets to win the SuperBowl, not everyone gets to win the World Series, the same should apply to the titles. Admittedly it won't fix everything, but it would be a step in the right direction. they also created the King of the Ring crown and the Million Dollar Title to give a couple of guys something to call themselves I always prefered WCW's title situation having the TV and LHW/CW title |
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Post by Crimson on Nov 28, 2013 15:18:33 GMT -5
The cruiserweight title was created by wcw therefore it is garbage. They should debut the prestigious title title! Not to go fanboy, but the WCW's Cruserweight Division was leaps and bounds better than the Lightweight title scene. |
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Post by onetruemisfit on Nov 28, 2013 15:45:47 GMT -5
The cruiserweight title was created by wcw therefore it is garbage. They should debut the prestigious title title! Not to go fanboy, but the WCW's Cruserweight Division was leaps and bounds better than the Lightweight title scene. I agree but in Vince's eyes.. |
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Post by papagiorgio on Nov 28, 2013 15:49:49 GMT -5
Only if they unify the I-C and US titles.
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saintpat
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Post by saintpat on Nov 28, 2013 15:56:18 GMT -5
TV title.
Have a defense on Raw or Smackdown (or both) every week. Mini-feuds could lead to semi-regular PPV spots, maybe 4 to 6 times a year at most.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Nov 28, 2013 16:01:26 GMT -5
Just make the Internet title a legit belt.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 29, 2013 5:23:09 GMT -5
No. They don't have enough guys for a division. Smackdown in its heyday had enough guys to have six-man matches with spare wrestlers left over.
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Post by mrjl on Nov 29, 2013 6:49:17 GMT -5
No. They don't have enough guys for a division. Smackdown in its heyday had enough guys to have six-man matches with spare wrestlers left over. seriously? Rey, Sin Cara, Justin Gabriel, Yoshi Tatsu, Heath Slater, Hunico, Epico/Fernando, Primo/Diego, Tyson Kidd, Zack Ryder, maybe Curt Hawkins, maybe Evan Bourne, plus a bunch of guys in developmental. |
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 29, 2013 7:01:27 GMT -5
No. They don't have enough guys for a division. Smackdown in its heyday had enough guys to have six-man matches with spare wrestlers left over. seriously? Rey, Sin Cara, Justin Gabriel, Yoshi Tatsu, Heath Slater, Hunico, Epico/Fernando, Primo/Diego, Tyson Kidd, Zack Ryder, maybe Curt Hawkins, maybe Evan Bourne, plus a bunch of guys in developmental. Rey is a main eventer, he's well above a midcard title at this point. Most of the rest of those guys are lucky to ever get TV time, unless the belt was exclusively on Superstars or some shit. Don't Hawkins and Ryder weigh too much to be cruisers? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2013 7:03:55 GMT -5
I'm partial to a lower-midcard title... but not the Cruiserweight one. It's basically just arbitrarily locking off guys of a certain size as not being worthy of the actual titles (I know, the, "If you book it as an equal," thing... No. No one will ever look at it that way, and that's not the way it'll be booked, and if it did work that way then that'd raise the question of why you don't do it for every division which would just be f***ing stupid), WWE barely used the thing anyway, and there's absolutely nothing that can be done with it that you couldn't just do with a normal belt that's more inclusive.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Nov 29, 2013 7:08:15 GMT -5
This is what I posted on the matter a couple of days ago... My ideal situation in regards to championships would still be two world championships, but split by weight division and general match style. A WWE World Heavyweight Championship (over 225 lbs) would have matches based around mostly hard-hitting brawls (like the type that Sheamus busted out in the past with guys like Cesaro and Tensai) and general WWE style while a WWE World Light-Heavyweight Championship (under 225 lbs) would have matches based around mostly crazy athleticism and technical stuff. The caveat being that, and I can't emphasise this enough, THEY GET TREATED EXACTLY EQUALLY. If a heavyweight division match or segment closes out RAW or a PPV one week, a light-heavyweight division match or segment closes out the next RAW or PPV. It'd never happen, but I think it would be awesome if it did. Now since that time I've managed to divide the roster, main and NXT combined, into the weight divisions (spoilered for size)... {Spoiler}Heavyweight (53 (40 main, 13 NXT))
Big Show - 425
Mark Henry - 412
Brodus Clay - 375
Tensai - 360
The Great Khali - 347
Kane - 323
Erick Rowan - 315
Alexander Rusev - 305
The Undertaker - 299
Mason Ryan - 295
Ryback - 291
Big E Langston - 290
Mojo Rawley - 290
Brock Lesnar - 286
Bray Wyatt - 285
Sawyer Fulton - 285
Angelo Dawkins - 280
Ezekiel Jackson - 280
Colin Cassady - 276
Baron Corbin - 275
Luke Harper - 275
Titus O'Neil - 270
Sheamus - 267
Konnor (The Ascension) - 265
Roman Reigns - 265
The Rock - 260
Triple H - 255
Drew McIntyre - 254
Jimmy Uso - 251
John Cena - 251
Wade Barrett - 246
Jason Jordan - 245
Travis Tyler - 245
Fandango - 244
Damien Sandow - 243
William Regal - 243
Alberto Del Rio - 239
Darren Young - 239
Alex Riley - 236
Randy Orton - 235
Rob Van Dam - 235
Bo Dallas - 234
Santino Marella - 233
Antonio Cesaro - 232
Goldust - 232
JTG - 232
Camacho - 230
Knuckles Madsen - 230
Troy McLain - 230
David Otunga - 229
Jey Uso - 228
Curtis Axel - 227
Chris Jericho - 226
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Light-Heavyweight (37 (24 main, 13 NXT))
Dean Ambrose - 225
Oliver Grey - 225
Curt Hawkins - 223
Jinder Mahal - 222
CJ Parker - 220
Cody Rhodes - 220
Leo Kruger - 220
The Miz - 220
R-Truth - 220
Scott Dawson - 219
Viktor (The Ascension) - 219
CM Punk - 218
Fernando (Los Matadores) - 217
Seth Rollins - 217
Heath Slater - 216
Aiden English - 215
Diego (Los Matadores) - 215
Zack Ryder - 214
Danny Burch - 213
Dolph Ziggler - 213
Justin Gabriel - 213
Christian - 212
Kofi Kingston - 212
Yoshi Tatsu - 211
Daniel Bryan - 210
Corey Graves - 208
Hunico - 205
Xavier Woods - 205
Enzo Amore - 200
Tyler Breeze - 195
Tyson Kidd - 195
Adrian Neville - 194
Sami Zayn - 193
Sin Cara - 180
Rey Mysterio - 175
Sylvester Lefort - 170
Evan Bourne - 165 Once you take out part-time guys like Rock/Undertaker/Triple H/Lesnar etc., there's not much difference in numbers... about 8. |
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Post by mrjl on Nov 29, 2013 7:42:11 GMT -5
seriously? Rey, Sin Cara, Justin Gabriel, Yoshi Tatsu, Heath Slater, Hunico, Epico/Fernando, Primo/Diego, Tyson Kidd, Zack Ryder, maybe Curt Hawkins, maybe Evan Bourne, plus a bunch of guys in developmental. Rey is a main eventer, he's well above a midcard title at this point. Most of the rest of those guys are lucky to ever get TV time, unless the belt was exclusively on Superstars or some shit. Don't Hawkins and Ryder weigh too much to be cruisers? Ryder is listed at 216. Hawkins at 223. If they decided to claim he lost three pounds to compete for the belt I doubt anyone could tell. The CW belt would be used to get guys like them TV time. It would be used to solve a problem, not to create one. there's also Seth Rollins who I forgot |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2013 8:22:44 GMT -5
No. The last Intercontinental champion was basically a scrub with a belt. How about rebuilding that prestigious championship before we add more?
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saintpat
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Post by saintpat on Nov 29, 2013 11:04:16 GMT -5
No. The last Intercontinental champion was basically a scrub with a belt. How about rebuilding that prestigious championship before we add more? The IC has had no cred since Austin had bigger fish to fry. |
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Nov 29, 2013 11:20:24 GMT -5
No, the WWE is not a company for high flying action and it never will be as that's just not something Vince cares for. Vince made his money with larger than life brawlers, that's what he wants, that's who he'll push, with high fliers as jobbers or special attractions like Rey.
Also, they need to focus on making the midcard belts they have actually mean something, no more leaving them off the card of major PPVs or giving people a belt as something to do rather than booking hem in a meaningful way.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2013 11:20:32 GMT -5
No if anything we need the comedy hardcore title brought back
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Post by Straight Edge Scrotum on Nov 29, 2013 12:05:27 GMT -5
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