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Post by Greer on Nov 29, 2013 22:52:41 GMT -5
I have enjoyed Ryback as a face. I have enjoyed him as a heel.
I know he has never been the most popular around these parts whether he was face or heel but I've always been curious as to why.
Is it his ring style? Too sloppy in the ring? Not great on the mic? Not charismatic enough?
I was really getting behind him as a face in the whole Punk feud. Wouldn't have minded him ending Punk's reign at Mania or even in their TLC match on RAW. That RAW match had massive heat and the fans were ready to cheer a new champ. As a heel, I loved his bullying. I loved the fact he couldn't say the word bully properly. He was just a massive jerk. A muscle bound jerk who picked on little guys. That's a great heel.
At this point he is just a glorified jobber but still...I enjoyed the character. Heel or face.
Were you a fan of THE BIG GUY?
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Post by Bootista on Nov 29, 2013 22:53:48 GMT -5
Yes. He's a poor man's Goldberg. He's reckless.
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 29, 2013 22:53:58 GMT -5
Always hated him. A goofy Goldberg knock-off with awful attire.
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Post by Sparkybob on Nov 29, 2013 22:54:46 GMT -5
I'm not familiar with Ryback's sexual habits so I can't answer your question OP.
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Post by Starshine on Nov 29, 2013 22:55:39 GMT -5
Yeah, I never got with the hype behind him. His bully stuff was pretty funny. But that ended whenever I saw him wrestle. It's any wonder he hasn't crippled anyone yet with how recklessly he appears to do some things.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Nov 29, 2013 23:00:18 GMT -5
Yes. He's a poor man's Goldberg. He's CARELESSNESS.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Nov 29, 2013 23:00:57 GMT -5
If he wasn't bald would he be like Goldberg?
Hell Roman Reigns is more like Goldberg in that he's green and is good at spearing people. Those comparisons are ridiculous.
All kinds of powerful guy have wins streaks. CM Punk had one on ECW. Is he a Goldberg ripoff? I think he should be kicking ass as a face. That was his sweet spot.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2013 23:13:40 GMT -5
I liked Ryback's heel turn promo alot. Ever since then, it's really sucked.
The bullying stuff was funny but it's lame when the bully just loses over and over and over.
You want some build to the comeuppance, not just solid losing all day and night.
Let's face it, heel booking wants a face chase. You want the face to somehow fail a bit, maybe a couple times, before getting the win and making you happy. This is why people bitch about the midcard, and for good reason. Remember the Big E langston vs Curtis Axel "chase?". It wasn't there. For those of you that like Big E, wouldn't it have built him BETTER if he was somehow cheated out of a win or two before winning cleanly? No, he just won, then won again, and now...he's not gonna do shit and a month from now you aren't going to like him as much.
Not because Big E langston sucks, but because you were failed by booking.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 29, 2013 23:14:52 GMT -5
I think that he has limitations, but I don't think he sucks.
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Post by MGH on Nov 29, 2013 23:14:52 GMT -5
Never have liked him. Not his debut, not his "streak" run, not as a heel, not as the dopey BIG GUY who says BOLLY a lot.
I think he's awful and in contention for worst person on the main roster.
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Nov 29, 2013 23:16:57 GMT -5
He's pretty damn awful. Typical hoss.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 29, 2013 23:17:53 GMT -5
I'm a bit iffy on Ryback, but I suppose he's alright. As a face or heel, I wish that they would fully get behind him, but if they didn't I wouldn't get too upset about it.
At the same time, if Ryback IS an unsafe worker with a bad attitude and ego problems, I'd rather they just fully demote him to the midcard (possibly even the lower midcard) rather than keep him in this limbo where he's jobbing to main eventers but is too good to go after the midcard belts. I don't really like on screen punishments, but I feel that if WWE HAS to do them, then they should do it in a productive manner that actually benefits someone. Big Show kicking out of Shell Shocked, or CM Punk beating Ryback cleanly (when a year ago it took Brad Maddox and The Shield to beat him) really doesn't do anything for anyone.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Nov 29, 2013 23:18:57 GMT -5
I don't want to try to stick up for him too much. I'm not a huge fan but....typical hoss?
I'd say guys like Luther Reigns and Heidenreich are typical hosses. Or do they suck so bad that Ryback looks damn good in comparison?
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Post by 2 Cold Scorkum on Nov 29, 2013 23:20:10 GMT -5
he's great, always been a fan.
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Post by mrjl on Nov 29, 2013 23:22:36 GMT -5
I liked Ryback's heel turn promo alot. Ever since then, it's really sucked. The bullying stuff was funny but it's lame when the bully just loses over and over and over. You want some build to the comeuppance, not just solid losing all day and night. Let's face it, heel booking wants a face chase. You want the face to somehow fail a bit, maybe a couple times, before getting the win and making you happy. This is why people bitch about the midcard, and for good reason. Remember the Big E langston vs Curtis Axel "chase?". It wasn't there. For those of you that like Big E, wouldn't it have built him BETTER if he was somehow cheated out of a win or two before winning cleanly? No, he just won, then won again, and now...he's not gonna do shit and a month from now you aren't going to like him as much. Not because Big E langston sucks, but because you were failed by booking. I don't stop liking people unless they stop doing things I like. And no, I don't find the sort of chase you mention better. I think it makes the face look stupid and I don't like it when guys I like look stupid
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Post by mrjl on Nov 29, 2013 23:23:21 GMT -5
if Ryback was unsafe rather than just looking unsafe isn't it likely someone would have actually been hurt by now?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2013 23:26:23 GMT -5
I plain just don't like him. A little bit of everything about him rubs me the wrong way from his goofy face to his goofy marching around the ring. His sloppy ring work, his iffy attitude and so on.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2013 23:26:31 GMT -5
Never have liked him. Not his debut, not his "streak" run, not as a heel, not as the dopey BIG GUY who says BOLLY a lot. I think he's awful and in contention for worst person on the main roster. I really thing this is wrong. I mean yeah lets face it, Ryback sucks workrate wise. He doesn't overly suck, plenty of people suck worse, but he sucks. But I think he was able to draw the crowd in with a limited moveset. Similar to what we've seen with MANY limited movesets in the past. People were into it though. On the face side after it got rolling people were into it. In fact, even on the heel side early on people were into it. And yeah, note EARLY on heh. That died fast. I don't think it died because he sucks in the ring though. In fact, as a 30 year WWE viewer, it's rare someone fails because of their lack of skills. ANY skills, workrate or charisma. It died because, justified or not, someone in the back said "f*** Ryback!" and he started losing. It honestly did. I don't claim Ryback should be some top star. He shouldn't be. But I think there's some merit to the backstage "newz" about him where people don't like him. Because he isn't great...but he doesn't suck either.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2013 23:29:38 GMT -5
Never really been a fan of the guy, though his squash matches when he was first called up were pretty fun. In-ring wise, he's not a solid enough wrestler to reliably put on good matches, and he doesn't have enough fun power moves to be a true ~HOSS, and beyond that, he doesn't have much charisma and has terrible mic skills. Add to this his ~CARELESSNESS and his supposed ego problems, and yeah, there's not much for me to like.
Also, the Goldberg comparisons may or not be valid, but they seem to be inevitable given Ryback's status as "big bald sloppy power wrestler." For instance, my dad, who hasn't kept up with wrestling for a good 10 years or so, sees Ryback for the first time and remarks "He's like Goldberg, only a lot bulkier and with no charisma to speak of."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2013 23:30:36 GMT -5
I liked Ryback's heel turn promo alot. Ever since then, it's really sucked. The bullying stuff was funny but it's lame when the bully just loses over and over and over. You want some build to the comeuppance, not just solid losing all day and night. Let's face it, heel booking wants a face chase. You want the face to somehow fail a bit, maybe a couple times, before getting the win and making you happy. This is why people bitch about the midcard, and for good reason. Remember the Big E langston vs Curtis Axel "chase?". It wasn't there. For those of you that like Big E, wouldn't it have built him BETTER if he was somehow cheated out of a win or two before winning cleanly? No, he just won, then won again, and now...he's not gonna do shit and a month from now you aren't going to like him as much. Not because Big E langston sucks, but because you were failed by booking. I don't stop liking people unless they stop doing things I like. And no, I don't find the sort of chase you mention better. I think it makes the face look stupid and I don't like it when guys I like look stupid I know what you mean but...there's never any followup if that happens Sometimes people are dominant, then they continue to be dominant. And then..well if they don't move way up the card, the booking ends up being empty. Take Big E again. So lets take what you're saying as an example. He wins, wins again. Then he....what? Lets say he faces heel miz or something, goes ahead and beats him. That's ok standalone. Things get kinda empty across the board though before long. There's the TNA/WCW laughable booking where heels just win and are great, then there's the WWE booking where faces are tops. I'm looking for a happy medium here. I don't trust the activity of the booking in the midcard to make it worthwhile for faces to go ahead and keep winning. If that makes sense. I think the guy you want to win should fail sometimes. Not constantly, but sometimes. Even by cheating. Then you can look forward to him winning. Then he wins, YAY YOUR GUY WON! And you had fun.
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