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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Dec 9, 2013 23:19:12 GMT -5
It was so funny I think it was worth this entire horrible storyline just to see it. Bryan was great. That could not have been better.
I'm a Cena fan to start with, but if I wasn't, I'd be now for how well he handled that. Holy shit there's no amount of pressure that can break this man. He took a crowd shitting on the segment and rode the shit with open arms like he was a douchebag surfer into one glorious tsunami of shit that somehow made it to shore safely with no one harmed. I don't care how much of tonight was planned, how much was an audible and how much was just pure luck.
It was a wave of awkwardness that Bryan, Cena and Punk with his background giggle made it great.
I loved it.
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Post by Slanted and Enchanted on Dec 9, 2013 23:21:03 GMT -5
I felt that Cena was leaching and feeding off of Bryan's heat for his own benefit but then I was glad to see him mention that Bryan (and Punk) beat him cleanly for his title in their respective matches.
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Post by mizerable on Dec 9, 2013 23:24:00 GMT -5
I actually watched the last segment (breaking a 3 week break from Raw), just to see how the fans would react in Seattle.
That was absolutely hilarious. Crowd did not give one shit.
And Cena...my god, if that was an audible...which I predict it to be, he really is a miracle worker on the mic. I can't think of any other way that someone could save that segment, but he did. Say it was pandering, but it was certainly better than ignoring it.
And yeah...Randy is a f***ing waste of space. Added absolutely nothing to the segment.
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Post by Chuckie Finster on Dec 9, 2013 23:25:33 GMT -5
That was a great build to Royal Rumble and Wrestlemania.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Dec 9, 2013 23:29:36 GMT -5
Cena is bar none the best mic worker in the WWE today. He came in there with a common coastal split reaction and tepid response to his storyline with Orton, and he managed to get the crowd behind him by the end- BEFORE he started putting over the hometown hero.
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Post by Error on Dec 9, 2013 23:54:14 GMT -5
Poor Bryan had a look like "If y'all don't stop I'm going to be buried so bad Chavo Guerrero will pity me."
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Dec 10, 2013 0:07:23 GMT -5
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Dec 10, 2013 0:30:18 GMT -5
And yeah...Randy is a f***ing waste of space. Added absolutely nothing to the segment. What could he add? I do not envy that guy his acting challenge. His entire character is that he's a schmuck who's only successful because the boss likes him, and yet he has to try to appear legit because he's in this amazing special super awesome match coming up. And he can't be a toadying character, because he has to turn on his boss or his boss has to turn on him or whatever the hell ends up dragging this all out until Wrestlemania. All of this while the entire plot hinges around embarrassing things he's done in real life, which is happening only to humiliate him (because god knows the crowd isn't getting anything out of it). His character just makes no sense.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 10, 2013 0:42:08 GMT -5
The only thing that saves this storyline is HHH screwing Orton and helping Cena win the titles, thus setting up a DB vs Corporate Cena feud.
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Post by mizerable on Dec 10, 2013 0:48:19 GMT -5
What could he add? I do not envy that guy his acting challenge. His entire character is that he's a schmuck who's only successful because the boss likes him, and yet he has to try to appear legit because he's in this amazing special super awesome match coming up. And he can't be a toadying character, because he has to turn on his boss or his boss has to turn on him or whatever the hell ends up dragging this all out until Wrestlemania. All of this while the entire plot hinges around embarrassing things he's done in real life, which is happening only to humiliate him (because god knows the crowd isn't getting anything out of it). His character just makes no sense. You can say it's because Orton is being given 100 pieces of a character that don't work together, but in all honesty, while he's a great ringworker...he's incredibly limited in terms of what he can accomplish on the mic. This has been evident throughout his entire career. With the exception of Wrestlemania 25 (where actions literally spoke louder than words), Orton has never sold me on an angle. I don't believe that he believes what he's saying. Perhaps that's a subtle cowardly heel thing, but I tend to believe it's completely unintentional. God, if they did this feud a year ago with CM Punk in Orton's place...this match would have sounded about a thousand times better.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Dec 10, 2013 0:53:53 GMT -5
Punk and Hunter are so alike sometimes it's scary. You can see Punk just cracking up knowing the segment is bombing, and you've got Hunter who is trying his hardest not to do the same with that little smirk on his face as he sees the crowd and stay in evil boss character mode.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2013 0:54:27 GMT -5
This gif is emblematic of exactly why the main event scene in WWE is so boring right now. The people are foaming at the mouth and all HHH can wonder is, "why aren't they chanting for me...er, um Orton or Cena?" And Punk...well, Punk just laughs at wrong creative is getting it right now - probably replaying that part of his pipebomb where he talks about the fate of this company when HHH and Steph take over in his head.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Dec 10, 2013 10:55:16 GMT -5
You can say it's because Orton is being given 100 pieces of a character that don't work together, but in all honesty, while he's a great ringworker...he's incredibly limited in terms of what he can accomplish on the mic. This has been evident throughout his entire career. With the exception of Wrestlemania 25 (where actions literally spoke louder than words), Orton has never sold me on an angle. I don't believe that he believes what he's saying. Perhaps that's a subtle cowardly heel thing, but I tend to believe it's completely unintentional. God, if they did this feud a year ago with CM Punk in Orton's place...this match would have sounded about a thousand times better. I agree that Orton isn't exactly electric on the mic, but he, like everyone else, has strengths and weaknesses. The frustrating thing about this feud is that they're determined to do this idiotic worked-shoot thing (I'm convinced the only reason they're doing it is to humiliate Randy because they're frustrated he didn't get over in this role like they wanted). The audience doesn't know or care about any of it. Meanwhile, there's a perfectly legitimate, kayfabe reason why Orton would be a threat to Cena but also a danger to the Authority, and which he'd be able to pull off acting-wise: He's FREAKIN' CRAZY. Making him a dangerous sociopath who happens to look good in a suit is such an obvious way to solve the problems with this feud, and to transition him to tweener status once Sheamus inevitably shows up as HHH's new corporate champ, there have to be petty, backstage reasons why they're not doing it.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 10, 2013 11:03:22 GMT -5
(I'm convinced the only reason they're doing it is to humiliate Randy because they're frustrated he didn't get over in this role like they wanted) This is the fascinating thing to me. From what I gather, Orton's getting verbally ripped to shreds and having the majority of his WWE run, one of the more decorated ones in the history of the company, marginalised as wasted potential in these promos... and that's without the normal heel thing of suddenly losing all ability to win big matches clean despite handily doing so for years. Honestly, if there was anyone in this angle that was getting the dreaded "burial", I'd probably be looking at Orton more than I'd be looking at Bryan.
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Post by Rican on Dec 10, 2013 11:07:51 GMT -5
(I'm convinced the only reason they're doing it is to humiliate Randy because they're frustrated he didn't get over in this role like they wanted) This is the fascinating thing to me. From what I gather, Orton's getting verbally ripped to shreds and having the majority of his WWE run, one of the more decorated ones in the history of the company, marginalised as wasted potential in these promos... and that's without the normal heel thing of suddenly losing all ability to win big matches clean despite handily doing so for years. Honestly, if there was anyone in this angle that was getting the dreaded "burial", I'd probably be looking at Orton more than I'd be looking at Bryan. I've said since Triple H first hinted that maybe Orton shouldn't be the face of the company during the Big Show feud that it kind of feels like they're writing Orton out.
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Post by Germansuplex on Dec 10, 2013 11:08:49 GMT -5
(I'm convinced the only reason they're doing it is to humiliate Randy because they're frustrated he didn't get over in this role like they wanted) This is the fascinating thing to me. From what I gather, Orton's getting verbally ripped to shreds and having the majority of his WWE run, one of the more decorated ones in the history of the company, marginalised as wasted potential in these promos... and that's without the normal heel thing of suddenly losing all ability to win big matches clean despite handily doing so for years. Honestly, if there was anyone in this angle that was getting the dreaded "burial", I'd probably be looking at Orton more than I'd be looking at Bryan. And I can't imagine it being Cena's fault. While his promos these last few weeks buried Orton and made not an ounce of sense, he always made Orton look good in the past. So I blame Triple H who always loves to make Orton look like a chump.
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Post by comahan on Dec 10, 2013 11:12:22 GMT -5
And yeah...Randy is a f***ing waste of space. Added absolutely nothing to the segment. I don't know, I thought Randy's promo was fine, especially after he began listing off guys in the ring he'd beaten, I thought his reactions to Cena's words were perfect, and I absolutely loved his facial reaction at the end when he looked up and saw Cena standing with the Authority after he's been so paranoid about them not being on his side over the last few months. This was definitely Cena and Bryan's segment, but I don't think it's because Randy was bad or anything.
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Post by Germansuplex on Dec 10, 2013 11:28:08 GMT -5
And yeah...Randy is a f***ing waste of space. Added absolutely nothing to the segment. I don't know, I thought Randy's promo was fine, especially after he began listing off guys in the ring he'd beaten, I thought his reactions to Cena's words were perfect, and I absolutely loved his facial reaction at the end when he looked up and saw Cena standing with the Authority after he's been so paranoid about them not being on his side over the last few months. This was definitely Cena and Bryan's segment, but I don't think it's because Randy was bad or anything. Randy Orton is notoriously underrated on the mic. Sure, he's no Austin or Punk, but he's really not as bad as the haters make him out to be. He doesn't do these long...pauses...anymore (yet people never stop complaining about it) and his promo style reminds me a lot of Jake Roberts back when he was the only one who didn't spout cocaine-induced gibberish.
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Post by Kayfabe FAN don't want none on Dec 10, 2013 11:29:55 GMT -5
Cena is bar none the best mic worker in the WWE today. He came in there with a common coastal split reaction and tepid response to his storyline with Orton, and he managed to get the crowd behind him by the end- BEFORE he started putting over the hometown hero. From what i've seen they didn't give a shit and/or booed Cena until he did the BRYAN IS A HARD WORKING GUY AND I'M THE SAME BUT YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN EVERYTHING ...etc.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 10, 2013 11:36:43 GMT -5
They gave Orton no scope for a good promo. The poor guy had to eventually resort to shouty shoutiness to deal with the crowd. If he was allowed to take the non-kayfabe shots at Cena that Cena was allowed to take at him, he'd destroy Cena, because Cena is an open goal. There are so many opportunities to attack Cena's inconsistency and hypocrisy, if Orton was permitted to, he'd make Cena piss himself. HHH and Stephanie are the worst offenders for this. THEY are allowed to break kayfabe to sound cool and clever, but few people are allowed to use the same approach to retort, and those two are even easier to destroy than Cena.
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