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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2013 21:41:14 GMT -5
No. Hulk Hogan should leave the memories alone.
Anyone who wants to see him wrestle can pop in a DVD or hit YouTube. Seeing him stumble around the ring won't be fun for anyone and will ruin his WWE legacy (the one thing he has which isn't tarnished)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2013 21:44:50 GMT -5
They could take a page from an earlier copyright problem they had and take the F out of Fandango and make him Eandango.
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Post by lildude8218 on Dec 12, 2013 0:10:16 GMT -5
Start spelling it "Fandangoo" again tomorrow an never address the change. Problem solved. give him a superfan gimmick and change his name to "Fan" Dan Goo
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 12, 2013 0:11:26 GMT -5
Phandango
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Post by ________ has left the building on Dec 12, 2013 0:18:56 GMT -5
Fandango can become a evil clown named Scaramouche.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 12, 2013 0:26:18 GMT -5
I'd rather WWE just drop the issue. If Johnny Curtis somehow gets released, let him be Fandango in the indies. I don't like WWE wanting to own everything. It isn't fair to the wrestlers. A good chunk of them don't get any shine in WWE as it is. Trying to hoard the name and persona they're best known under only hurts their money making potential.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2013 0:35:24 GMT -5
Remember when HBK had to carry Hogan in that match way back when?
That was years ago. He can't wrestle now. He can't bump. He can barely even walk. Eventually people have to stop wrestling. That's where he's at. It would be a fun match in theory. He cannot physically do it though.
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Post by Toxik916 on Dec 12, 2013 1:32:41 GMT -5
Anyone who doesn't wanna see Hulk Hogan wrestle again is lying to themselves. He's the f***ing man and is the best wrestler of all time. You can have your Daniel Bryans and CM Punks, but everyone knows those dudes are inferior to the greatness that is Hulk Hogan.
Hogan vs Cena would sell huge numbers and Hogan and Cena as a super team would be just as big a deal.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 12, 2013 2:09:12 GMT -5
Anyone who doesn't wanna see Hulk Hogan wrestle again is lying to themselves. He's the f***ing man and is the best wrestler of all time. You can have your Daniel Bryans and CM Punks, but everyone knows those dudes are inferior to the greatness that is Hulk Hogan. Hogan vs Cena would sell huge numbers and Hogan and Cena as a super team would be just as big a deal. Who doesn't want to see Hulk Hogan wrestle again? You're right. That would be a good match to see. However, the idea of Hulk Hogan vs. John Cena is tarnished by the harsh reality that Hogan is a broken down old man who can barely move. Those who don't want to see Hogan just want to remember him at his best, rather than have their final memory of him in a WWE ring being a train wreck. Also, WWE's track record in the past few years regarding past stars has soured me on the idea of a Hogan return. This whole nostalgia kick they've been on has really stagnated the progress of quite a few guys. I'm not really up for the idea of thirty minute Hogan/Cena promos to open AND close every show along with endless video packages, and uppercard guys being bumped down to Superstars and forced to bump the lower carders off of WWE programming altogether.
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Post by Boo! on Dec 12, 2013 2:22:37 GMT -5
I don't care what anyone says, if used correctly Hogan can still spike a buyrate. He's been out of 'mainstream' wrestling (WWE) now for over seven years. Hulk vs Cena would have an enormous casual/morbid interest based around people just wanting to see the match for the occasion and people seeing how a 60 year old man would cope in the ring.
You can't have Hogan wrestling more now than very, very occasionally. But I still think you can have it. He's not been able to 'go' in the ring for about ten years but this isn't MMA, there are ways around everything. If the psychology is right there's no need for Hogan to even take a bump. So it can be done and I suspect it could be the right stage for it to work.
It won't be a great match but it'll probably be one of those occasions where that fact wouldn't matter.
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Post by BigBadZ on Dec 12, 2013 2:56:39 GMT -5
I don't care what anyone says, if used correctly Hogan can still spike a buyrate. He's been out of 'mainstream' wrestling (WWE) now for over seven years. Hulk vs Cena would have an enormous casual/morbid interest based around people just wanting to see the match for the occasion and people seeing how a 60 year old man would cope in the ring. You can't have Hogan wrestling more now than very, very occasionally. But I still think you can have it. He's not been able to 'go' in the ring for about ten years but this isn't MMA, there are ways around everything. If the psychology is right there's no need for Hogan to even take a bump. So it can be done and I suspect it could be the right stage for it to work. It won't be a great match but it'll probably be one of those occasions where that fact wouldn't matter. Go watch Bret Hart vs Vince McMahon at WrestleMania 26 because that's what no bumps look like and Bret hasn't had 2 knees surgeries, 2 back surgeries, and 1 spinal fusion. Of course I'm being a bit selfish to say it would be a waste of time for a poor match when they could easily add either a different match or give other matches more time. But Hogan has had so many major surgeries he shouldn't even be thinking about another match. I can't speak for everyone on the board but I'm pretty positive that nobody wants to see a disabled Hulk Hogan riding in a wheel chair.
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Post by The Lach is very tired on Dec 12, 2013 4:55:38 GMT -5
He deserves a WWE title run before he hangs up the boots.
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Post by thegame415 on Dec 12, 2013 5:15:51 GMT -5
In my opinion, you plug Hulk Hogan announcing his retirement from wrestling at WM. He comes out, thanks the fans, thanks Vince, etc. when 3MB interrupts. They tell him to go back to the retirement home, and jump him. He Hulks up, and lays them all out.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Dec 12, 2013 7:43:31 GMT -5
Start spelling it "Fandangoo" again tomorrow an never address the change. Problem solved. give him a superfan gimmick and change his name to "Fan" Dan Goo Make him the "unofficial" mascot of the FAN Forums and change his name to "FAN-Dango".
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Dec 12, 2013 7:47:08 GMT -5
give him a superfan gimmick and change his name to "Fan" Dan Goo Make him the "unofficial" mascot of the FAN Forums and change his name to "FAN-Dango". Make him an ex-slave Cowboy as well and call him FAN-Django.
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Post by Boo! on Dec 12, 2013 8:00:07 GMT -5
I don't care what anyone says, if used correctly Hogan can still spike a buyrate. He's been out of 'mainstream' wrestling (WWE) now for over seven years. Hulk vs Cena would have an enormous casual/morbid interest based around people just wanting to see the match for the occasion and people seeing how a 60 year old man would cope in the ring. You can't have Hogan wrestling more now than very, very occasionally. But I still think you can have it. He's not been able to 'go' in the ring for about ten years but this isn't MMA, there are ways around everything. If the psychology is right there's no need for Hogan to even take a bump. So it can be done and I suspect it could be the right stage for it to work. It won't be a great match but it'll probably be one of those occasions where that fact wouldn't matter. Go watch Bret Hart vs Vince McMahon at WrestleMania 26 because that's what no bumps look like and Bret hasn't had 2 knees surgeries, 2 back surgeries, and 1 spinal fusion. Of course I'm being a bit selfish to say it would be a waste of time for a poor match when they could easily add either a different match or give other matches more time. But Hogan has had so many major surgeries he shouldn't even be thinking about another match. I can't speak for everyone on the board but I'm pretty positive that nobody wants to see a disabled Hulk Hogan riding in a wheel chair. Hogan doesn't need to bump. His spine need be in no danger at all. Bret vs Vince, with respect, isnt Hogan vs Cena. If you build it around Hogan's retirement match, people will come. It's the oldest (excuse pun) story in the book. Last hurrah for the old champion. People will watch it either for the fact it's Hogan's 'last match' or the 'Rocky Balboa' comeback @ 60 angle or the fact that it's the biggest name in wrestling these last 10 years vs a man who is still a household name. It's one of those things where the match doesn't have to be great the situation and psychology of the situation will compensate for that. If Hogan was coming back to fight legitimately or he had to take a backbody drop or suplex from top rope then I'd understand concerns but you really can do this without anyone taking a serious 'bump'. It won't be a great match but great matches don't really matter to a lot of people. What counts is do they care about the match.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 12, 2013 8:59:08 GMT -5
Go watch Bret Hart vs Vince McMahon at WrestleMania 26 because that's what no bumps look like and Bret hasn't had 2 knees surgeries, 2 back surgeries, and 1 spinal fusion. Of course I'm being a bit selfish to say it would be a waste of time for a poor match when they could easily add either a different match or give other matches more time. But Hogan has had so many major surgeries he shouldn't even be thinking about another match. I can't speak for everyone on the board but I'm pretty positive that nobody wants to see a disabled Hulk Hogan riding in a wheel chair. Hogan doesn't need to bump. His spine need be in no danger at all. Bret vs Vince, with respect, isnt Hogan vs Cena. If you build it around Hogan's retirement match, people will come. It's the oldest (excuse pun) story in the book. Last hurrah for the old champion. People will watch it either for the fact it's Hogan's 'last match' or the 'Rocky Balboa' comeback @ 60 angle or the fact that it's the biggest name in wrestling these last 10 years vs a man who is still a household name. It's one of those things where the match doesn't have to be great the situation and psychology of the situation will compensate for that. If Hogan was coming back to fight legitimately or he had to take a backbody drop or suplex from top rope then I'd understand concerns but you really can do this without anyone taking a serious 'bump'. It won't be a great match but great matches don't really matter to a lot of people. What counts is do they care about the match. I'm sorry, but if you're going to have Cena vs. Hogan popping a big buyrate, you're going to want more than Hogan has to offer these days. By all accounts, it's extremely unwise for him to even take a bodyslam, and, as pointed out, Bret is in far better physical condition than Hogan, and he couldn't take more than a few worked punches. What kind of match do you expect Hogan to be able to have?
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 12, 2013 9:07:23 GMT -5
Cena and Hogan vs "The Real Americans" would be great. I would love this, but it would have to kill the Real Americans dead or it'd be a bit pointless.
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Post by Boo! on Dec 12, 2013 9:14:30 GMT -5
Hogan doesn't need to bump. His spine need be in no danger at all. Bret vs Vince, with respect, isnt Hogan vs Cena. If you build it around Hogan's retirement match, people will come. It's the oldest (excuse pun) story in the book. Last hurrah for the old champion. People will watch it either for the fact it's Hogan's 'last match' or the 'Rocky Balboa' comeback @ 60 angle or the fact that it's the biggest name in wrestling these last 10 years vs a man who is still a household name. It's one of those things where the match doesn't have to be great the situation and psychology of the situation will compensate for that. If Hogan was coming back to fight legitimately or he had to take a backbody drop or suplex from top rope then I'd understand concerns but you really can do this without anyone taking a serious 'bump'. It won't be a great match but great matches don't really matter to a lot of people. What counts is do they care about the match. I'm sorry, but if you're going to have Cena vs. Hogan popping a big buyrate, you're going to want more than Hogan has to offer these days. By all accounts, it's extremely unwise for him to even take a bodyslam, and, as pointed out, Bret is in far better physical condition than Hogan, and he couldn't take more than a few worked punches. What kind of match do you expect Hogan to be able to have? You don't have the match and ask people if they want to buy it. People buy a match based on if they want to see who is in it or are interested in the storyline. It's why some of the worst in-ring performers have often been able to garner the most buys and those matches between guys you could predict a minimum 4* classic from prior to the event, sometimes struggle for interest. I think those who care about match quality as oppsed to caring about the storylines and angle and performers is actually quite small. Its not to say people dislike good matches but I don't think a quality match is much of a draw, its more an added bonus.What counts is 'do you give a crap about the people in the ring and/or why they're there?' The quality of the match isn't really relevant as anyone who's seeing it has already paid to do so. What matters is whether the Hogan retirement/Rocky Balboa 'what will happen?' element can sell and pique people's interest. I think both from a perspective of people wanting to see Name vs Name, plus the morbid curiosity at Hogan's age, plus the built retirement of the man almost every wrestling fan to this day would honestly still like one last chance to get to see at Wrestlemania in some capacity - I think will be a sufficient enough shill.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 12, 2013 9:35:55 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but if you're going to have Cena vs. Hogan popping a big buyrate, you're going to want more than Hogan has to offer these days. By all accounts, it's extremely unwise for him to even take a bodyslam, and, as pointed out, Bret is in far better physical condition than Hogan, and he couldn't take more than a few worked punches. What kind of match do you expect Hogan to be able to have? You don't have the match and ask people if they want to buy it. People buy a match based on if they want to see who is in it or are interested in the storyline. It's why some of the worst in-ring performers have often been able to garner the most buys and those matches between guys you could predict a minimum 4* classic from prior to the event, sometimes struggle for interest. I think those who care about match quality as oppsed to caring about the storylines and angle and performers is actually quite small. Its not to say people dislike good matches but I don't think a quality match is much of a draw, its more an added bonus.What counts is 'do you give a crap about the people in the ring and/or why they're there?' The quality of the match isn't really relevant as anyone who's seeing it has already paid to do so. What matters is whether the Hogan retirement/Rocky Balboa 'what will happen?' element can sell and pique people's interest. I think both from a perspective of people wanting to see Name vs Name, plus the morbid curiosity at Hogan's age, plus the built retirement of the man almost every wrestling fan to this day would honestly still like one last chance to get to see at Wrestlemania in some capacity - I think will be a sufficient enough shill. I'm just saying Cena would have to work the miracle of miracles to get something that even has some resemblance of a match. Match quality might not be the most important thing, but you don't want to shit the bed either, certainly if you don't want to further burn a fanbase that is less willing to pay for PPVs - and the "what does it matter once you've got them to pay up" mentality is a sure fire way to do that. People bitched about Rock/Cena II being terrible, when in all honesty it was just mediocre. If reports are accurate, the limit of Hogan's safe physical capabilities are punches, clotheslines, and maybe the big boot, with almost no safe way of taking him to the mat I don't see any way of avoiding a complete trainwreck.
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