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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 11:32:51 GMT -5
I'm shocked...that Meltzer actually typed something that was mostly grammatically correct!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 11:34:37 GMT -5
This thread is well on its way to being the best crazy story about a diva that may or may not be true thread since Melina was going to jump Kelly Kelly.
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Post by kidglov3s on Dec 15, 2013 11:35:31 GMT -5
I'm shocked...that Meltzer actually typed something that was mostly grammatically correct! Steveweiser only reported what he heard Meltzer say on Wrestling Observer Radio, but like in EVERY Dave Meltzer FAN thread pretty much no one cares that in our disussion he's being represnted by an account at least one generation removed from the source, and by page 3 it's about 5 or 6. That f***ing pervert Dave Meltzer always taking ass pictures of AJ Styles in the employment of TMZ, a REAL news source.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 11:37:10 GMT -5
Y'all muthf***as are nuts when it comes to Divas related threads. Seriously, these threads bring about the very worst in passion and ideology. At this point, I might as well go to TMZ for my wrestling news since wrestling news sites are morphing into them. Hell, TMZ broke more wrestling related stories than those sites.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 11:37:59 GMT -5
This thread is well on its way to being the best crazy story about a diva that may or may not be true thread since Melina was going to jump Kelly Kelly. No screwdrivers though. If the ladies want to get in on the newz, they need tools.
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Post by Sparkybob on Dec 15, 2013 11:40:53 GMT -5
What's wrong with being proud of your success? That's all her title win date tattoo really means. I don't understand the people using that against her and accusing her of "being a mark". Who doesn't have an ego in the wrestling business? Boy that Eddie Guerrero was such a dumb mark to cry and call his wife after he won his first WWE title. I'm shocked we don't keep mocking him for it.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Dec 15, 2013 11:41:06 GMT -5
I'm shocked...that Meltzer actually typed something that was mostly grammatically correct! Steveweiser only reported what he heard Meltzer say on Wrestling Observer Radio, but like in EVERY Dave Meltzer FAN thread pretty much no one cares that in our disussion he's being represnted by an account at least one generation removed from the source, and by page 3 it's about 5 or 6. That f***ing pervert Dave Meltzer always taking ass pictures of AJ Styles in the employment of TMZ, a REAL news source. TMZ at least doesn't hide the fact they are a tabloid and not hiding under the guise of being journalists. Now let me got back to watching an TMZ interview with Screech talking about his sex tape.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Dec 15, 2013 11:41:37 GMT -5
You can still enjoy a movie or TV show and know that everything in them isn't real. Acknowledging that something isn't real and saying that something has no value are two completely different things. They have value when the show is on sure but that's it. Nobody's getting a free grand slam at Denny's for flashing their IC title.
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Post by Bootista on Dec 15, 2013 11:42:18 GMT -5
I despise AJ Lee. Not a huge WWE fan but I watched some of her work once she gained all of her popularity and not only is she about a 6/10 looks wise but also above average as a talent at best. Not as fantastic or amazing as people say. Now, her alleged unprofessional attitude seems to be a regular occurrence. Not only does she have that hugely embarrassing tattoo marking the day she was given a television prop but she strikes me as a massive mark for herself and the business and she needs to stop before she loses her job. As for this specific situation. If true, it's pathetic behaviour. When you're at work you don't act like an idiot no matter how emotional or upset you are. AJ Lee needs to grow up. This is funny coming from a TNA Mark. I've never heard of anything other than kindness about AJ
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Post by Sparkybob on Dec 15, 2013 11:42:20 GMT -5
Steveweiser only reported what he heard Meltzer say on Wrestling Observer Radio, but like in EVERY Dave Meltzer FAN thread pretty much no one cares that in our disussion he's being represnted by an account at least one generation removed from the source, and by page 3 it's about 5 or 6. That f***ing pervert Dave Meltzer always taking ass pictures of AJ Styles in the employment of TMZ, a REAL news source. TMZ at least doesn't hide the fact they are a tabloid and not hiding under the guise of being journalists. Now let me got back to watching an TMZ interview with Screech talking about his sex tape. Wait.....Screech has a sex tape and I just learn about it right now? ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 11:43:23 GMT -5
No The physical belts are props. But they do mean something, or at least should, because they are supposed to be macguffins, a prized object that drives the story forward If the object means nothing, neither does the story. IRL, they mean less than nothing though. Sure, as far as WWE's story goes, it means a ton in the same way that a fake gun can portrayed as an actual threat when in a TV drama. At the end of the day, though, a belt is absolutely a prop. It is an object designed to push along a story. That's all it's ever been. Doesn't mean it should be treated highly in the story but IRL, I don't see how anybody can seriously say it's not a prop. Exactly. The argument that the belt means something in the story would only make sense if AJ's tattoo was done for storyline purposes, and not in real-life. Man, when you call Bret Hart a mark for himself, people just agree and move on. When it's AJ, it turns into a heated debate. Call a spade a spade. It's not a big deal.
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Post by stealthamo on Dec 15, 2013 11:44:03 GMT -5
Jeez, I wake up and the thread is at 3 pages, I come back a few hours later and it's already at 8. I'd love to speculate like the rest of you, but I really have no idea whatsoever what happened. I've never met any of the three parties involved, and the closest thing I know about their personalities is based on what they post on Twitter, and that doesn't mean what they post is entirely who they are (which people have pointed out already in this thread). Yet I'm not surprised that this thread has devolved into discussing AJ, because that's what usually happens in most threads involving Divas. For what it's worth, I think AJ is a fine wrestler, and is quite attractive (then again, so are all of the Divas, aside from Rosa and Eva, but both are due to their hair color). She does deserve to be Diva's Champion, considering she gets the biggest reaction out of all the Divas, but at the same time, no other Diva has come close to the number of major storylines she was involved in last year (the closest since her was Brie the week after she got engaged to Bryan, but that was dropped quickly), so of course she'd get some sort of reaction.
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Post by Bootista on Dec 15, 2013 11:45:21 GMT -5
If Chris Sabin got a tattoo commemorating his TNA Title win, SOR Wouldn't call him a Mark.
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Post by kidglov3s on Dec 15, 2013 11:46:28 GMT -5
Steveweiser only reported what he heard Meltzer say on Wrestling Observer Radio, but like in EVERY Dave Meltzer FAN thread pretty much no one cares that in our disussion he's being represnted by an account at least one generation removed from the source, and by page 3 it's about 5 or 6. That f***ing pervert Dave Meltzer always taking ass pictures of AJ Styles in the employment of TMZ, a REAL news source. TMZ at least doesn't hide the fact they are a tabloid and not hiding under the guise of being journalists. Now let me got back to watching an TMZ interview with Screech talking about his sex tape. Between his sober analysis of events based on years and years of being around the business, his access to talents and other individuals in the industry, and the strong pieces of writing he produces when he feels like it (mainly obituaries, sadly enough), I will continue to view Meltzer as a journalist and at least respect him enough to judge him by his own words rather than second/third/fourth etc hand accounts. I honestly don't see how someone could actually listen to his podcasts and read his writing and compare him to tabloid hacks. Are there things to criticize about Meltzer, absolutely! Is one of the big ones for me a certain kind of old timey misogyny? YES! Hell, I thought the first discussion he and Alvarez had about the tattoo thing was innocent typical Dave and Bryan mulling around a recent happening in the industry, but as it went on and Dave got flustered by the criticisms he kind of started digging himself a hole that he's clearly still stuck in with her fanbase. But he doesn't just make shit up for fun and he's not a tabloid writer.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 15, 2013 11:47:02 GMT -5
IRL, they mean less than nothing though. Sure, as far as WWE's story goes, it means a ton in the same way that a fake gun can portrayed as an actual threat when in a TV drama. At the end of the day, though, a belt is absolutely a prop. It is an object designed to push along a story. That's all it's ever been. Doesn't mean it should be treated highly in the story but IRL, I don't see how anybody can seriously say it's not a prop. Exactly. The argument that the belt means something in the story would only make sense if AJ's tattoo was done for storyline purposes, and not in real-life. Man, when you call Bret Hart a mark for himself, people just agree and move on. When it's AJ, it turns into a heated debate. Call a spade a spade. It's not a big deal. I think the reason why people get super defensive is that they don't realize that being "a mark for yourself" isn't necessarily a bad thing. Bret Hart was a mark for himself, no doubt, but he was also one of the greatest wrestlers of all time. Most top stars in this business have been marks for themselves. The most successful wrestlers are usually the ones that throw themselves into their work.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 15, 2013 11:47:20 GMT -5
I'll explain again
The physical belt is a prop.
The meaning of the title in the context of the story makes it a macguffin.
That's why a title belt for example is different to say...a table in a TLC match
They are both props, but very different types of prop.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Dec 15, 2013 11:47:30 GMT -5
If Chris Sabin got a tattoo commemorating his TNA Title win, SOR Wouldn't call him a Mark. Don't open that can of worms by calling someone else a hypocrite.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Dec 15, 2013 11:47:54 GMT -5
TMZ at least doesn't hide the fact they are a tabloid and not hiding under the guise of being journalists. Now let me got back to watching an TMZ interview with Screech talking about his sex tape. Wait.....Screech has a sex tape and I just learn about it right now? ? It's been out for over 7 years. He and 2 ladies got it on a bathtub.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 11:48:07 GMT -5
Fascinating thread. I no longer suffer from "Defensive fan rage" and therefore don't really empathize with that mindset much these days, and I really have no strong feelings on AJ one way or the other, so I don't think I'm really going to get into this discussion too much.
But jeeze, I hope this isn't true.
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Post by Dat Dude on Dec 15, 2013 11:49:19 GMT -5
Acknowledging that something isn't real and saying that something has no value are two completely different things. Nobody's getting a free grand slam at Denny's for flashing their IC title.
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