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Post by BorneAgain on Dec 15, 2013 11:50:57 GMT -5
Jeez, there had to be subtler ways of weaving AJ onto the next season of Total Divas.
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Post by BigWill on Dec 15, 2013 11:50:59 GMT -5
Acknowledging that something isn't real and saying that something has no value are two completely different things. They have value when the show is on sure but that's it. Nobody's getting a free grand slam at Denny's for flashing their IC title. Winning the title is an award for a superstars accomplishments. There's nothing wrong with a wrestler valuing that, regardless of whether or not it's during a show, or during their personal life. It's no different from a person having a full display of trophies in their house.
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Post by Piccolo on Dec 15, 2013 11:51:02 GMT -5
No The physical belts are props. But they do mean something, or at least should, because they are supposed to be macguffins, a prized object that drives the story forward If the object means nothing, neither does the story. IRL, they mean less than nothing though. Sure, as far as WWE's story goes, it means a ton in the same way that a fake gun can portrayed as an actual threat when in a TV drama. At the end of the day, though, a belt is absolutely a prop. It is an object designed to push along a story. That's all it's ever been. Doesn't mean it should be treated highly in the story but IRL, I don't see how anybody can seriously say it's not a prop. Are you proud when you get a promotion? How about when your boss trusts you with an important project that is highly visible, knowing you'll do a great job with it? Are those things considered markers of career success? And if they are, how can anyone not understand the feeling of accomplishment that a wrestler gets when they are trusted with a title run?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 11:51:14 GMT -5
Wait.....Screech has a sex tape and I just learn about it right now? ? It's been out for over 7 years. He and 2 ladies got it on a bathtub. Apparently it was a stunt penis. And no I'm not making that up.
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Post by Andy Martin on Dec 15, 2013 11:51:33 GMT -5
Nobody's getting a free grand slam at Denny's for flashing their IC title. One free Grand Slam ain't enough man, he needs five.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 15, 2013 11:51:36 GMT -5
This thread is well on its way may not be true thread since Melina was going to jump Kelly Kelly. No screwdrivers though. If the ladies want to get in on the newz, they need tools. I'm assuming, given how prolific he is, Punk has that covered.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 15, 2013 11:52:15 GMT -5
I'll explain again The physical belt is a prop. The meaning of the title in the context of the story makes it a macguffin. That's why a title belt for example is different to say...a table in a TLC match They are both props, but very different types of prop. ...BUT, they are still props. It doesn't matter if they are different, a prop is a prop. I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make now. In WWE's universe, a title should be more important than a table. Yes. I agree. That doesn't change the fact that the belt is an object used to push along story in a work of fiction. IE. A prop.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Dec 15, 2013 11:52:25 GMT -5
TMZ at least doesn't hide the fact they are a tabloid and not hiding under the guise of being journalists. Now let me got back to watching an TMZ interview with Screech talking about his sex tape. Between his sober analysis of events based on years and years of being around the business, his access to talents and other individuals in the industry, and the strong pieces of writing he produces when he feels like it (mainly obituaries, sadly enough), I will continue to view Meltzer as a journalist and at least respect him enough to judge him by his own words rather than second/third/fourth etc hand accounts. I honestly don't see how someone could actually listen to his podcasts and read his writing and compare him to tabloid hacks. I never worshiped in the church of Meltzer. I came from the old school Apter mags era where my wrestling news was kayfabe and the wrestlers' personal lives stay hidden unless for storyline purposes. Him talking about ppv numbers and business deals, cool. Talking about gossip and people's relationships, not so much.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Dec 15, 2013 11:52:36 GMT -5
Acknowledging that something isn't real and saying that something has no value are two completely different things. They have value when the show is on sure but that's it. Nobody's getting a free grand slam at Denny's for flashing their IC title. Depends on the Denny's.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 15, 2013 11:53:49 GMT -5
Wait, wasn't this thread about some incident at Tribute to the Troops? How the hell did I get wrapped up in a discussion about title belts and whether or not AJ's a mark for herself?
...AJ threads are weird.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 15, 2013 11:54:09 GMT -5
I'll explain again The physical belt is a prop. The meaning of the title in the context of the story makes it a macguffin. That's why a title belt for example is different to say...a table in a TLC match They are both props, but very different types of prop. ...BUT, they are still props. It doesn't matter if they are different, a prop is a prop. I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make now. In WWE's universe, a title should be more important than a table. Yes. I agree. That doesn't change the fact that the belt is an object used to push along story in a work of fiction. IE. A prop. No, a macguffinA very specific type of prop, different from other props. That's the point I'm making.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Dec 15, 2013 11:54:58 GMT -5
Go into FAN to see an eight page thread about AJ, curious I open said thread and read every page. Examining the arguments presented most in defense of AJ, and those arguments against her. After looking at all the data and measuring all opinions I have come to one conclusion:
I would give it to Michelle Beadle if she wanted it.
That is all. Thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 11:55:06 GMT -5
Hey Punk by the Beadles
Hey Punk, don't make it bad Bang a diva and you'll feel better Remember to let her into your bus Then you can start to make it better
Hey Punk, don't be afraid You knew that your girlfriend was crazy when you met her The minute you bang some other chicks Then you'll begin to feel better
And any time you see her around Hey Punk, get down Don't let her know that you're there For well you know that it's a fool Who plays it cool When his girlfriend is crazy. Na na na naa-naa na-na-naa naaa
Hey Punk, don't let me down There's lots of divas on the roster, now go and bang them Remember to let her into your bus Then you can start to make it better
So slide it out and slide it in Hey Punk, begin There's plenty of divas to perform with And don't you know that it's just you Hey Punk, you'll do The movement you need is in the hips Na na na naa-naa na-na-naa naaa Yeah
Hey, Punk, don't make it bad Bang a diva And you'll feel better The minute that you bang some other chicks Then you begin To feel better Better, better, better, better, better Whoa!
Yeah Na na na na-na-na-naa Na-na-na-naa, hey, Punk
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 11:55:17 GMT -5
...BUT, they are still props. It doesn't matter if they are different, a prop is a prop. I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make now. In WWE's universe, a title should be more important than a table. Yes. I agree. That doesn't change the fact that the belt is an object used to push along story in a work of fiction. IE. A prop. No, a macguffinA very specific type of prop, different from other props. That's the point I'm making. So, not a prop, but a macguffin, which is a prop. Got it.
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Post by kidglov3s on Dec 15, 2013 11:55:29 GMT -5
Between his sober analysis of events based on years and years of being around the business, his access to talents and other individuals in the industry, and the strong pieces of writing he produces when he feels like it (mainly obituaries, sadly enough), I will continue to view Meltzer as a journalist and at least respect him enough to judge him by his own words rather than second/third/fourth etc hand accounts. I honestly don't see how someone could actually listen to his podcasts and read his writing and compare him to tabloid hacks. I never worshiped in the church of Meltzer. I came from the old school Apter mags era where my wrestling news was kayfabe and the wrestlers' personal lives stay hidden unless for storyline purposes. Him talking about ppv numbers and business deals, cool. Talking about gossip and people's relationships, not so much. How can Apter mags possibly be considered news of any sort when they're completely fake? I'm sorry, clearly we're at an impasse the size of the Atlantic Ocean, I'm not sure we're gonna reach common ground.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 11:55:45 GMT -5
Wait, wasn't this thread about some incident at Tribute to the Troops? How the hell did I get wrapped up in a discussion about title belts and whether or not AJ's a mark for herself? ...AJ threads are weird. Don't forget Screech's stunt penis. This thread has covered a lot of ground.
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Post by Sparkybob on Dec 15, 2013 11:56:03 GMT -5
Between his sober analysis of events based on years and years of being around the business, his access to talents and other individuals in the industry, and the strong pieces of writing he produces when he feels like it (mainly obituaries, sadly enough), I will continue to view Meltzer as a journalist and at least respect him enough to judge him by his own words rather than second/third/fourth etc hand accounts. I honestly don't see how someone could actually listen to his podcasts and read his writing and compare him to tabloid hacks. I never worshiped in the church of Meltzer. I came from the old school Apter mags era where my wrestling news was kayfabe and the wrestlers' personal lives stay hidden unless for storyline purposes. Him talking about ppv numbers and business deals, cool. Talking about gossip and people's relationships, not so much. Yea Meltzer should leave the personal gossip to real professionals like Lancer.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Dec 15, 2013 11:56:16 GMT -5
They have value when the show is on sure but that's it. Nobody's getting a free grand slam at Denny's for flashing their IC title. Winning the title is an award for a superstars accomplishments. There's nothing wrong with a wrestler valuing that, regardless of whether or not it's during a show, or during their personal life. It's no different from a person having a full display of trophies in their house. That's all well and good. You can personally value whatever you want. The titles themselves are still props IRL at the end of the day though.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 15, 2013 11:57:02 GMT -5
No, a macguffinA very specific type of prop, different from other props. That's the point I'm making. So, not a prop, but a macguffin, which is a prop. Got it. It is, but a very unique type of prop. That distinction must be made in order to understand why belts are meaninglful in wrestling.
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Post by stealthamo on Dec 15, 2013 11:57:28 GMT -5
Wait, wasn't this thread about some incident at Tribute to the Troops? How the hell did I get wrapped up in a discussion about title belts and whether or not AJ's a mark for herself? ...AJ threads are weird. At this point, I'm not even surprised about that. It seems like a lot of AJ threads come back to that f***ing tattoo for some reason. In fact, it just goes back to when Meltzer called her a mark for getting it. Hell if I know why, but it does.
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