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Post by chazraps on Dec 17, 2013 12:38:30 GMT -5
How old are you now? When it comes to sexuality, a 15-year-old is incapable of making those sort of decisions when dealing with a predatory adult. It's the most volatile age when one's body is changing and their hormones are all over the place, leaving them insecure and vulnerable regardless who it is. He's taking advantage of girls in this state by swindling sex out of them. There's a reason we have statutory rape laws in this country, and the fact that you're blaming a victim for being pressured into having a much older man piss in her mouth and call him "Daddy" is kind of sickening. I know looking back on it we try to put such an weird age like 15 behind us or look at it through rose-colored glasses, but speaking as someone who has taught 15-year-olds for six years now, sexuality is a bizarre and confusing territory and any adult looking to manipulate anyone is such a state is an absolute monster. Maybe you were in a fortunate enough position to grow up sheltered from a situation where an adult would coerce sex out of you, but these girls weren't. You can't just go imposing your own personal experience as some standard for absolutely everybody to live up to. Those girls didn't deserve to be raped, and if you've never been in the type of legal situation where you've had to accept a settlement because "pursuing justice" was made into an impossible obstacle, then consider yourself lucky. I'm 19. I was only 15 3 years ago, so I don't think I'm looking through rose-tinted glasses or any of that. I'm not American so sex laws here are not going to be the same. For example, the age of consent here is 16 and it's only statutory rape if they're under 13. Going by my country's laws for a minute here, having sex with a 15-year old isn't rape. And a 15-year old can't make sexual decisions but somehow when they turn 16 they magically can? And a 15-year old and an 8-year old come under the same legal definition? The whole thing is a grey area because of things like that. It's a gradual process and of course some teens are more mature than others, but there's not a world of difference between 15 and 16. Not everything in life should go by the letter of the law. You have to take things like this case by case imo. Again I'm not absolving R. Kelly of things he's done. But you yourself seem to be reading that article through rose tinted glasses. Maybe I'm just more cynical and pessimistic than you are, but you're telling me you can't possibly imagine a teenage girl throwing themselves at a famous musician and then trying to score some money out of it? Of course, I'm not suggesting that's the case with many, if any, of the girls. But you don't seem to be considering it at all. There actually is a world of a difference between a 15 and 16 year old. As, again, someone who's taught both for the past six years, at 16 you've had a year to at least begin to process and work out all of the changes in your body and get some understanding of what's going on in your life. At 15, it's all hitting you at once. It's legitimately the biggest one-year difference in a person's life. Think back (although your school system might be different as well) can you think of a bigger change in your life than between when you were a high schol freshman and a high school sophomore? And yes, you're still too close to the fire to really get scope of where your head was at at 15. Your scenario of a "Teenage girl throwing herself at a musician" still doesn't make it the girl's fault, but rather solely the fault of the adult willing to take advantage of them knowing full well that they're underage. Let me explain a little further what R. Kelly's doing: He, an adult in his 30s, is going into the poorest, most disenfranchised area of Chicago (where it's currently also a nationwide topic about how education is low and crime is way up) to coerce 15 year old girls to have sex with him. Your sexuality is the one thing in life you should have control of, and at age 15 you can't begin to fathom what that really means. Again, using your "throw yourself at him" scenario, imagine you're a petite 15-year-old girl who gets asked to go on a joyride with a hulking multimillionaire and his giant entourage. At first, you might be a little star struck and the whole thing plays out like a fantasy. But then he gets you alone, and the powerful rich guy who towers above you begins pissing on you, molesting you, and making you call him "daddy." He knows you can't just run out because of the "potentially humiliating stigma" you may feel would pressure you, not to mention the threat of violence from such an imposing figure, as well as the fact that his celebrity is so large he could throw money at whatever happens until it goes away. That's rape. I really don't think I'm reading this article about a guy who raped 40 girls through rose-tinted glasses. This isn't a gray area. This is a 30 year old serial raping children. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2013 12:59:12 GMT -5
Well, a lot of that is your opinion. Under U.S. law, yes it's statutory rape. Something should be done but there's nothing I can do about it since I don't even live in the U.S. and I don't buy R. Kelly's albums anyway.
I'm trying to look at things objectively and see both sides of the coin, which you seem incapable of doing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2013 13:06:01 GMT -5
I'll just say that there is no gray area when a 20+ year old guy is going to high schools and picking up girls. At best that's statutory rape whether he's famous or not. More likely he's using his fame to coerce these girls to have sex with him in degrading ways that they're probably not into at that age. Which sounds like rape to me.
I don't necessarily believe that these girls feel that they couldn't get justice due to their race(not to discount it completely, because it does happen), but I do think that a big part of our society will take money to make a difficult situation go away. I mean what sounds better to a lot of people: going to the police/court and reliving the situation in statements over and over and having to deal with the inevitable backlash that some of his more hardcore fans will surely put them in, and making yours and your families lives a matter of public record all the while probably not having the quality of lawyer that a successful musician has, or taking a payout and getting a vacation in France and a music credit on an R. Kelly album?
Hopefully he is investigated thoroughly and fairly in the near future.
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Post by BRV on Dec 17, 2013 13:11:53 GMT -5
Here is a series of tweets from Jezebel editor Erin Gloria Ryan:
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Post by chazraps on Dec 17, 2013 13:15:12 GMT -5
Well, a lot of that is your opinion. Under U.S. law, yes it's statutory rape. Something should be done but there's nothing I can do about it since I don't even live in the U.S. and I don't buy R. Kelly's albums anyway. I'm trying to look at things objectively and see both sides of the coin, which you seem incapable of doing. A guy in his 30s is raping 15 year olds. What is the other side of the coin? Are you suggesting Kelly is somehow the victim of the 15-year-old girls wanting to be raped? |
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Dec 17, 2013 13:15:15 GMT -5
Well, a lot of that is your opinion. Under U.S. law, yes it's statutory rape. Something should be done but there's nothing I can do about it since I don't even live in the U.S. and I don't buy R. Kelly's albums anyway. I'm trying to look at things objectively and see both sides of the coin, which you seem incapable of doing. If you claim to be objective while at the same time claiming that others aren't because they do not share your views, I'm sorry but you're lying to yourself. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2013 13:22:07 GMT -5
Well, a lot of that is your opinion. Under U.S. law, yes it's statutory rape. Something should be done but there's nothing I can do about it since I don't even live in the U.S. and I don't buy R. Kelly's albums anyway. I'm trying to look at things objectively and see both sides of the coin, which you seem incapable of doing. A guy in his 30s is raping 15 year olds. What is the other side of the coin? Are you suggesting Kelly is somehow the victim of the 15-year-old girls wanting to be raped? You would be terrible on a jury. That is all. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2013 13:23:06 GMT -5
Well, a lot of that is your opinion. Under U.S. law, yes it's statutory rape. Something should be done but there's nothing I can do about it since I don't even live in the U.S. and I don't buy R. Kelly's albums anyway. I'm trying to look at things objectively and see both sides of the coin, which you seem incapable of doing. If you claim to be objective while at the same time claiming that others aren't because they do not share your views, I'm sorry but you're lying to yourself. Did I say that? |
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Post by Bootista on Dec 17, 2013 13:24:10 GMT -5
A guy in his 30s is raping 15 year olds. What is the other side of the coin? Are you suggesting Kelly is somehow the victim of the 15-year-old girls wanting to be raped? You would be terrible on a jury. That is all. He would be terrible for rightfully Convicting a scumbag who rapes kids? Nice Logic there. |
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Post by chazraps on Dec 17, 2013 13:25:05 GMT -5
A guy in his 30s is raping 15 year olds. What is the other side of the coin? Are you suggesting Kelly is somehow the victim of the 15-year-old girls wanting to be raped? You would be terrible on a jury. That is all. Because if I see video of a guy in his 30s molesting a 15-year-old, I'd call him a child molester? |
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Post by Raskovnik on Dec 17, 2013 13:28:27 GMT -5
A guy in his 30s is raping 15 year olds. What is the other side of the coin? Are you suggesting Kelly is somehow the victim of the 15-year-old girls wanting to be raped? You would be terrible on a jury. That is all. Dude, you're being ridiculous, over here essentially condoning some grown ass man pissing all over kids and now you're resorting to insulting people. I think you should just cut your losses and evacuate because there's not going to be any more meaningful contribution coming from you in this thread. But you don't have to take my word for it. |
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 17, 2013 13:42:31 GMT -5
Right now I'm facepalming like hell,
Checks inside this thread,
Now it's gone off the rails,
He's locking it up,
He comes to the closet,
Now he's opening the closet,
He's putting the thread in the closet
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