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Post by angryfan on Dec 17, 2013 20:32:30 GMT -5
Can't commit to him? He gets huge amounts of TV time every week, and is always in highly publicized matches. What on earth are you talking about? I'm not seeing a ring on Bryan's finger... What was it Beyoncé said? If you push it put a ring on it? All the title holders, all the title holders? Something like that?
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Post by wisdomwizard on Dec 17, 2013 20:34:51 GMT -5
They wouldn't have Orton DQ him with a low brow when he was close to winning if they weren't planning to have him fight Orton. Seems to me either Bryan fights Orton in a Triple Threat with Cena and Orton, or he's set to to win the Rumble.
People are only using cynical assumptions as evidence that Bryan won't get another shot at the WWE Title.
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Post by mizerable on Dec 17, 2013 20:35:02 GMT -5
Can't commit to him? He gets huge amounts of TV time every week, and is always in highly publicized matches. What on earth are you talking about? I think I'll apply the same message to my mistress. "Look at how great things are! I bang you on occasion, send you nice little gifts, nice little messages and pay for the hotel room. You know I care about you, babe. WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT??" Edit: Dammit...beat to the joke.
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Post by slappy on Dec 17, 2013 20:36:21 GMT -5
Maybe he isn't that over? I've raised the point before and got largely ridiculed but maybe research, ratings breakdowns etc, aren't marrying up to the in-arena reaction. This week we've had the biggest fall in the third hour ratings for Raw in memory (according to Meltzer) and while that isn't all Bryan's fault, of course, he isn't completely absolved of responsibility either. A cynic might say all we have to go on his popularity is pseudo 'sing-a-long' crowd reactions and internet fans, for whom a 'darling' are a dime a dozen. Maybe there's more to it than this big evil company refusing to push this obviously massively over star. The millions (AND MILLIONS) of the Rock's fans agree with you. And if anybody disagrees I've got two words for them. SUCK IT.
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Post by RI Richmark on Dec 17, 2013 20:38:45 GMT -5
Simple answer is because the don't want to. They don't see him as being the kind of star they want to promote. Essentially, they (meaning Vince) see him as another flash in the pan that won't last. So they book him as Gilligan and if he still draws, great, but if not then they've proved their theory. If they didn't wan't to promote him they wouldn't have given him the title match in the first place much less beat John Cena clean. They're saving Bryan's big win for WrestleMania.
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Post by mizerable on Dec 17, 2013 20:42:00 GMT -5
Simple answer is because the don't want to. They don't see him as being the kind of star they want to promote. Essentially, they (meaning Vince) see him as another flash in the pan that won't last. So they book him as Gilligan and if he still draws, great, but if not then they've proved their theory. If they didn't wan't to promote him they wouldn't have given him the title match in the first place much less beat John Cena clean. They're saving Bryan's big win for WrestleMania. They only did that to wash their hands of things, much like Ryder. Give the fans what they want, only to take it away, that way they can always say "well, we made Bryan a 2 time WWE champion, what more do you want?".
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Dec 17, 2013 20:52:43 GMT -5
1st- I don't think it's fair to say WWE completely dropped the ball on Bryan and his appeal until after Royal Rumble. If it's not him standing tall at the end, then we'll have something to truly grasp onto as far as WWE being short-sighted imbeciles.
2nd: I can't believe there are people actually trying to deconstruct *why* Bryan is over as some sort of *proof* that its fallible. The bottom line is: He gets more positive, sustained reactions than anyone guy in the company right now. It doesn't matter if some people want to believe (to justify their own butt-hurt preferences) that its all some sort of pavlovian reaction to his catchphrase (which it's not; and its absurd to think that based on the fact that Bryan keeps the fans captivated through the WHOLE of his matches), the fact is, he IS getting a reaction. That's the point. There's no asterisk beside it that makes it worth more or less than anyone else. If people like him, they like him. That's it.
If someone wants to have a debate that he's not a draw, however, well that's going to be a short conversation regardless. They have one on the full time roster. And he only draws against past commodities or as a heel in a program with another babyface. He draws mediocre PPV numbers against regular heels.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Dec 17, 2013 20:54:39 GMT -5
Can't commit to him? He gets huge amounts of TV time every week, and is always in highly publicized matches. What on earth are you talking about? I think I'll apply the same message to my mistress. "Look at how great things are! I bang you on occasion, send you nice little gifts, nice little messages and pay for the hotel room. You know I care about you, babe. WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT??" Edit: Dammit...beat to the joke. I'm really not sure I get the analogy. Either the WWE would literally have to build every second of the show around him in order to "commit" to him, or... you're having sex with Daniel Bryan.
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Post by RI Richmark on Dec 17, 2013 21:02:15 GMT -5
If they didn't wan't to promote him they wouldn't have given him the title match in the first place much less beat John Cena clean. They're saving Bryan's big win for WrestleMania. They only did that to wash their hands of things, much like Ryder. Give the fans what they want, only to take it away, that way they can always say "well, we made Bryan a 2 time WWE champion, what more do you want?". With all due respect to Dolph Ziggler there's a major difference between beating him for the US Title and pinning John Cena at the second biggest PPV of the year for the WWE Title.If they just wanted to be rid of Bryan then Orton would have beaten Bryan clean at Night of Champions and sent him away. Orton hasn't beaten Bryan clean yet (a fact they brought up last night). Bryan is still a main eventer. The only reason Bryan's been fueding with the Wyatt Family lately was they can't keep running Orton vs Bryan from August to WrestleMania.
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Post by BigWill on Dec 17, 2013 21:07:18 GMT -5
Maybe he isn't that over? I've raised the point before and got largely ridiculed but maybe research, ratings breakdowns etc, aren't marrying up to the in-arena reaction. This week we've had the biggest fall in the third hour ratings for Raw in memory (according to Meltzer) and while that isn't all Bryan's fault, of course, he isn't completely absolved of responsibility either. A cynic might say all we have to go on his popularity is pseudo 'sing-a-long' crowd reactions and internet fans, for whom a 'darling' are a dime a dozen. Maybe there's more to it than this big evil company refusing to push this obviously massively over star. The millions (AND MILLIONS) of the Rock's fans agree with you. And if anybody disagrees I've got two words for them. SUCK IT. WHAT!?
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Post by RI Richmark on Dec 17, 2013 21:09:34 GMT -5
The millions (AND MILLIONS) of the Rock's fans agree with you. And if anybody disagrees I've got two words for them. SUCK IT. WHAT!? If you want some, come get some!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2013 21:13:25 GMT -5
If you want some, come get some! THERE'S A WOMAN IN THE MEN's ROOM TONY!
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Post by Sephiroth on Dec 17, 2013 21:13:55 GMT -5
Out of curiosity-how did anyone here survive Sting chasing Hogan to a year?
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Post by wisdomwizard on Dec 17, 2013 21:21:26 GMT -5
Because they caught you in bed with him.
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Post by mizerable on Dec 17, 2013 21:21:38 GMT -5
I'm really not sure I get the analogy. Either the WWE would literally have to build every second of the show around him in order to "commit" to him, or... you're having sex with Daniel Bryan. It's really about what you want to consider if they're doing all they can? I know some people are satisfied with whatever, but I consider his less than stellar "reign" as champion to be undermined. Call me crazy, but I'd like to see a little bit more effort. I would have preferred a real title reign with a real beginning and a real end, it doesn't need to all be about Bryan...but don't sell someone short by giving them less than 24 hours as champion when the fans seem to like it. WWE mentions "B+" all the time, and that seems to be all they try to shoot for anymore.
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Post by mizerable on Dec 17, 2013 21:29:43 GMT -5
With all due respect to Dolph Ziggler there's a major difference between beating him for the US Title and pinning John Cena at the second biggest PPV of the year for the WWE Title.If they just wanted to be rid of Bryan then Orton would have beaten Bryan clean at Night of Champions and sent him away. Orton hasn't beaten Bryan clean yet (a fact they brought up last night). Bryan is still a main eventer. The only reason Bryan's been fueding with the Wyatt Family lately was they can't keep running Orton vs Bryan from August to WrestleMania. They shouldn't have blown their load at Summerslam then. Even if this had a Wrestlemania end game, something I still don't believe...it could have been handled far better. Give Bryan a modest reign and eventually have Orton screw him over. Oh and with the Authority...no rematch clause. Bryan wins the Rumble and wins at Mania. Sound familiar? Instead, we got a ton of hot potatoing the title, in a bunch of less than mediocre PPVs, which drew piss poor buyrates, which may influence their reasons to change the end game. Everything they've done since Summerslam has been assbackwards, and it doesn't end at just Daniel Bryan.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Dec 17, 2013 21:35:08 GMT -5
It's listening to the crowd response on Monday, and then having six days to talk yourself into why they're wrong. I basically agree that everyone outside Cena suffers from start-stop-start-stop booking.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 17, 2013 21:44:15 GMT -5
I think I'll apply the same message to my mistress. "Look at how great things are! I bang you on occasion, send you nice little gifts, nice little messages and pay for the hotel room. You know I care about you, babe. WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT??" Edit: Dammit...beat to the joke. I'm really not sure I get the analogy. Either the WWE would literally have to build every second of the show around him in order to "commit" to him, or... you're having sex with Daniel Bryan. Sounds like fun.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Dec 17, 2013 21:45:53 GMT -5
Out of curiosity-how did anyone here survive Sting chasing Hogan to a year? We are a set-it-and-forget-it, instant everything generation living in the post-Attitude Era. These days, people tune out of storylines in four-to-six weeks. Waiting just isn't an option.
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Post by bigalbass86 AKA Smokin Vokoun on Dec 17, 2013 21:56:47 GMT -5
The thing is. And richmark brought this up. He beat Cena, clean as a sheet at Summerslam. Hell, he's beaten Orton clean as well. If they REALLY didn't see him as a potential big star, and if they REALLY didn't want him to be featured, then that wouldn't have happened. I highly doubt they would have let him beat Cena clean, if they didn't think of him as big time player. If they did it to just f*** with him and their fans, then WWE is dumber than I think they are. That would be like if after they let Warrior beat Hogan, and then Warrior is depushed to go fight The Genius or something.
WWE maybe dumb sometimes, but they can't be THAT dumb.
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