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Post by kevin on Dec 17, 2013 21:57:00 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan is without a doubt the most over guy on the entire roster, and he was set for a big push for SummerSlam. However, that push quickly got derailed by the formation of the Authority. Why is it that WWE isn't willing to pull the trigger on Daniel Bryan? I honestly have no idea what you are talking about If Bryan was anyone else we have endless threads about how he is being pushed down our throats. He main evented multiple payperviews has become the hottest wrestler on the roster and has an ongoing storyline about how he is better than the current champ who just beat Cena clean. Daniel Bryan is the actual face of the show right now and has been since Summer slam. How in the world is that not committing to him? Making someone the most protected wrestler in your company, booking them stronger than anyone else for months and dedicating your entire main storyline for months about him is committing to them.
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Post by monstermike87 on Dec 17, 2013 21:57:02 GMT -5
Out of curiosity-how did anyone here survive Sting chasing Hogan to a year? It was actually a year and a half and the main crux of everything was the Fake Sting angle and then Sting basically saying F*** You to to most of the fans at the time. Then the intrigue of Sting being a wild card showing up whenever to reek havoc but with unknown motivations until he pointed the bat right at Hogan. Which brings to mind the part that never is brought up as Sting taking his role as WCW's number one back from Hogan. Plus less "GIMME IT NOW!!!!" fan reaction and it worked. Nowadays, with a more rushed approached (Stone Cold took about the same amount of time to build), and fans freaking out over every time their guy, be it Bryan, Ziggler, Punk, Big E. or Jinder Mahal not winning equals a lack of faith in that guy and not watching for the story. I'm not excusing WWE from telling crappy stories though, because the Authority storyline has been a fiasco since almost day one. Which is really the problem with WWE right now. Its like they finally realized that while the bad guys do need their victories, doing it 3 times in a row against the hero, then dumping the hero, replacing him twice, and then bringing him back after basically writing him out of the story only to bring him back is not only stupid, but straight up incompetent.
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metylerca
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Post by metylerca on Dec 17, 2013 22:20:40 GMT -5
I think they blame SummerSlam and Battleground on him. Both shows didn't perform up to par and both shows were headlined by him. They were also his first times headlining a show (save for the September show) and they didn't do well. He was also against proven headliners, which even though he's seriously not the person I'd put the blame on, the signs are all there for WWE-style depushes. Who cares if Vince decided to put all the focus on Bryan's size and appearance as a method of justifying not pushing him, on live television no less. Who cares if after his title win, the focus went from him to HHH and Randy Orton forming a heel authority stable (which is fresh and what fans clamor for). Who cares if he won the title again and had the decision reversed? He's not a draw and it's his fault.
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SEAN CARLESS
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Dec 17, 2013 22:22:53 GMT -5
Out of curiosity-how did anyone here survive Sting chasing Hogan to a year? Because Hogan didn't wrestle Sting multiple times and beat him with Bischoff interference over and over in 1996/1997. They had Hogan build heel cred at the expense of others, but kept Sting strong the whole time (invincible, really), despite not wrestling, building toward their match and WCW's single biggest buyrate ever.
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Post by Sephiroth on Dec 17, 2013 22:29:32 GMT -5
Not for nothing, but I seem to recall how downtrodden many were about Bryan getting beaten to a pulp week after week by Orton and The Shield. Low and behold, that made it all the more explosive when the rest of the locker room finally ran out and helped Bryan give a beat down to the bad guys. Don't get me wrong, I wish they had put the title on Bryan and turned Cena into the corporate heel to feud with him. But I am under the personal impression that WWE might be doing a slow burn to get as much hype out of Bryan's title hunt as they can before finally giving him the strap. But, for those people for whom Bryan is a forum darling, it is just not acceptable that he lose or not be in the main event-ever. Bryan has to be THE top guy, always winning, especially over entrenched guys like Orton and Cena. In other words-just chill guys, its not like Bryan is being made to do the job to Ziggler or The Miz...yet.
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Post by Shanman on Dec 17, 2013 22:41:21 GMT -5
Most of you love following wrestling so much that you tend to over-analyze it. If you would just sit back and enjoy the story being told without ridiculing each and every storyline plot point that doesn't unfold exactly the way it does in your mind, you would see that the story being told is a pretty great one.
Bryan got a big opportunity in the summer, and the WWE capitalized on his popularity by placing him in the main-event of Summerslam. To continue capitalizing on his connection with the fans without pushing him with victories to the point where his success becomes repetitive, they have him go up against the Authority and get screwed. If he gets side-tracked with the Wyatt Family, that is not a punishment - that is a change of scenery that acts as a holdover until the big money Road to Wrestlemania season. Furthermore, there are other WWE superstars that - believe it or not - some fans like more than Daniel Bryan... so it's stupid to think that the entire WWE should revolve around the guy winning everything.
Sorry if I come off a bit preachy, but it bothers me when people say the WWE screwed up Bryan's rise to the main-event. It's a story... sit back and enjoy the ride as opposed to complaining that it didn't go the specific way you would've done it.
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Post by monstermike87 on Dec 17, 2013 22:52:34 GMT -5
Not for nothing, but I seem to recall how downtrodden many were about Bryan getting beaten to a pulp week after week by Orton and The Shield. Low and behold, that made it all the more explosive when the rest of the locker room finally ran out and helped Bryan give a beat down to the bad guys. Don't get me wrong, I wish they had put the title on Bryan and turned Cena into the corporate heel to feud with him. But I am under the personal impression that WWE might be doing a slow burn to get as much hype out of Bryan's title hunt as they can before finally giving him the strap. But, for those people for whom Bryan is a forum darling, it is just not acceptable that he lose or not be in the main event-ever. Bryan has to be THE top guy, always winning, especially over entrenched guys like Orton and Cena. In other words-just chill guys, its not like Bryan is being made to do the job to Ziggler or The Miz...yet. I wouldn't be a huge fan of the Bryan superman push, since I'm not a huge fan of his (he seems like a guy I'd kinda get along with but want to punch in the face for no apparent reason), but I wouldn't be against it. I'm not sure of the slow burn either since WWE is screwy with stories in general. Honestly, if Cena wins the Rumble I'm done so for me it's all speculation. The locker room saving Bryan was AWESOME. It just wasn't followed up. It's the good idea with no follow through thing that's almost as bad as nothing really happening. It could've set up so much stuff but failed miserably.
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Post by monstermike87 on Dec 17, 2013 23:05:35 GMT -5
Most of you love following wrestling so much that you tend to over-analyze it. If you would just sit back and enjoy the story being told without ridiculing each and every storyline plot point that doesn't unfold exactly the way it does in your mind, you would see that the story being told is a pretty great one. Bryan got a big opportunity in the summer, and the WWE capitalized on his popularity by placing him in the main-event of Summerslam. To continue capitalizing on his connection with the fans without pushing him with victories to the point where his success becomes repetitive, they have him go up against the Authority and get screwed. If he gets side-tracked with the Wyatt Family, that is not a punishment - that is a change of scenery that acts as a holdover until the big money Road to Wrestlemania season. Furthermore, there are other WWE superstars that - believe it or not - some fans like more than Daniel Bryan... so it's stupid to think that the entire WWE should revolve around the guy winning everything. Sorry if I come off a bit preachy, but it bothers me when people say the WWE screwed up Bryan's rise to the main-event. It's a story... sit back and enjoy the ride as opposed to complaining that it didn't go the specific way you would've done it. The problem with saying that is that story is unfinished and seeminily going in the direction many people don't care for. It's the good premise (which it kinda had originally) that went off the rails at some point. Like I said Bryan been replaced as the hero twice, no guarantee he won't be again. I'm not a huge of his but he was positioned as the "guy" if you will and he went out the picture to be kidnapped or something and then lose a match to his kidnappers and then be in line for a title shot for...reasons...I guess. Plus the kidnappers still hate him I think. But no worries, eventho we already kidnapped you we'll just let you wrestle the champion and not interfere at all, eventho we totally can. But we won't...for reasons? Bascially...it's bad story telling at this point.
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Post by tekkenguy on Dec 17, 2013 23:09:55 GMT -5
...so it's stupid to think that the entire WWE should revolve around the guy winning everything. Isn't that the same mentality the IWC has with Cena?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2013 23:11:23 GMT -5
Because Daniel Bryan leaves the toilet seat up, that is the one thing that the WWE doesn't tolerate. How can they go on together with suspicious minds?
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SEAN CARLESS
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Dec 17, 2013 23:12:58 GMT -5
Most of you love following wrestling so much that you tend to over-analyze it. If you would just sit back and enjoy the story being told without ridiculing each and every storyline plot point that doesn't unfold exactly the way it does in your mind, you would see that the story being told is a pretty great one. Bryan got a big opportunity in the summer, and the WWE capitalized on his popularity by placing him in the main-event of Summerslam. To continue capitalizing on his connection with the fans without pushing him with victories to the point where his success becomes repetitive, they have him go up against the Authority and get screwed. If he gets side-tracked with the Wyatt Family, that is not a punishment - that is a change of scenery that acts as a holdover until the big money Road to Wrestlemania season. Furthermore, there are other WWE superstars that - believe it or not - some fans like more than Daniel Bryan... so it's stupid to think that the entire WWE should revolve around the guy winning everything. Sorry if I come off a bit preachy, but it bothers me when people say the WWE screwed up Bryan's rise to the main-event. It's a story... sit back and enjoy the ride as opposed to complaining that it didn't go the specific way you would've done it. I agree in that the story isn't over yet. But if the story doesn't end with Bryan winning the belt at Mania and undisputedly shutting the Authority's mouths and proving them wrong, the story is terrible and will deserve to be ridiculed. They started this story with that being the natural conclusion. Anything less than that by the end is a fail. The ride means nothing if the destination is wrong.
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Post by Lazy peon on Dec 17, 2013 23:20:27 GMT -5
Can't commit to him? He gets huge amounts of TV time every week, and is always in highly publicized matches. What on earth are you talking about? I'm not seeing a ring on Bryan's finger... The brass ring?
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Post by wisdomwizard on Dec 17, 2013 23:26:49 GMT -5
Because they know what you did last Summer.
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Post by Sparkybob on Dec 17, 2013 23:38:40 GMT -5
I sure hope the WWE is commit to Bryan and his contract or else Brie might just realize that her fiance is truly a homeless lumberjack.
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Post by monstermike87 on Dec 17, 2013 23:47:49 GMT -5
Most of you love following wrestling so much that you tend to over-analyze it. If you would just sit back and enjoy the story being told without ridiculing each and every storyline plot point that doesn't unfold exactly the way it does in your mind, you would see that the story being told is a pretty great one. Bryan got a big opportunity in the summer, and the WWE capitalized on his popularity by placing him in the main-event of Summerslam. To continue capitalizing on his connection with the fans without pushing him with victories to the point where his success becomes repetitive, they have him go up against the Authority and get screwed. If he gets side-tracked with the Wyatt Family, that is not a punishment - that is a change of scenery that acts as a holdover until the big money Road to Wrestlemania season. Furthermore, there are other WWE superstars that - believe it or not - some fans like more than Daniel Bryan... so it's stupid to think that the entire WWE should revolve around the guy winning everything. Sorry if I come off a bit preachy, but it bothers me when people say the WWE screwed up Bryan's rise to the main-event. It's a story... sit back and enjoy the ride as opposed to complaining that it didn't go the specific way you would've done it. I agree in that the story isn't over yet. But if the story doesn't end with Bryan winning the belt at Mania and undisputedly shutting the Authority's mouths and proving them wrong, the story is terrible and will deserve to be ridiculed. They started this story with that being the natural conclusion. Anything less than that by the end is a fail. The ride means nothing if the destination is wrong. Yeah, the main crux of storytelling is that you BELIEVE the protaganist will succeed in his/her endeavor, be it winning the title or just simply vanquishing the bad guy. If in act one it's established that the protaganist is just some guy that doesn't matter why would the story be worth finishing to begin with?
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Dec 17, 2013 23:50:31 GMT -5
I agree in that the story isn't over yet. But if the story doesn't end with Bryan winning the belt at Mania and undisputedly shutting the Authority's mouths and proving them wrong, the story is terrible and will deserve to be ridiculed. They started this story with that being the natural conclusion. Anything less than that by the end is a fail. The ride means nothing if the destination is wrong. Yeah, the main crux of storytelling is that you BELIEVE the protaganist will succeed in his/her endeavor, be it winning the title or just simply vanquishing the bad guy. If in act one it's established that the protaganist is just some guy that doesn't matter why would the story be worth finishing to begin with? Good point. I'm just holding out hope that they give us the right ending at least. I can forgive the bad early storytelling if the payoff is there.
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Post by monstermike87 on Dec 18, 2013 0:41:16 GMT -5
Yeah, the main crux of storytelling is that you BELIEVE the protaganist will succeed in his/her endeavor, be it winning the title or just simply vanquishing the bad guy. If in act one it's established that the protaganist is just some guy that doesn't matter why would the story be worth finishing to begin with? Good point. I'm just holding out hope that they give us the right ending at least. I can forgive the bad early storytelling if the payoff is there. Yeah, but since its it seems like a three way at the Royal Rumble, considering standard WWE booking protocol, it doesn't seem likely. Then again, that does leave open a completely unexpected rumble winner...so maybe a Cena vs. Bryan opener with draw 1 vs. 30 on the line? Which is whoever loses going in number 1 after a possible 20+ minute match and winning the rumble would be crazy and if it's Bryan make him at least the most badass rumble winner ever would be cool. Or the 2 losers of the match get entered or something. Still, once you f*** up chapter 1, chapter 20 doesn't mean as much. Yeah, Stone Cold winning the 1998 rumble was predictable, but that doesn't mean the crowd wasn't as in to it. His story was set in motion already. It's crowd investment, not unpredictability that sells. Plus if it's Cena vs. Bryan that would mean Orton doesn't defend the title at all at the rumble, which I'd honestly prefer, especially since there isn't a fued for him on the side. It's amazing, WWE is predictable yet not at the same time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2013 0:46:42 GMT -5
They're still trying to get mileage out of Orton and Cena.
Its funny because Orton and Cena both get apathy or a split crowd at best, but Punk and Bryan get a majority of the crowd's love...yet we're supposed to believe Orton and Cena are the 2 most important people in the company?
If you just turned on WWE today for the first time, you'd have to wonder why Orton and Cena are fighting for the titles when the heroes of the show are clearly Bryan and Punk.
And they wonder why they can't build a stronger audience.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Dec 18, 2013 1:16:04 GMT -5
Cause he's committed to Brie. You gotta be a playa like Cena, Punk, Orton if ya wanna be a main event playa, playa.
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Post by monstermike87 on Dec 18, 2013 1:26:35 GMT -5
They're still trying to get mileage out of Orton and Cena. Its funny because Orton and Cena both get apathy or a split crowd at best, but Punk and Bryan get a majority of the crowd's love...yet we're supposed to believe Orton and Cena are the 2 most important people in the company? If you just turned on WWE today for the first time, you'd have to wonder why Orton and Cena are fighting for the titles when the heroes of the show are clearly Bryan and Punk. And they wonder why they can't build a stronger audience. Part of it's the curse of "too young/too soon" for both of them. Cena can be great, Orton can be great, but since their pushes at top of the card guys started in their mid-20's the 3-5 years as beings big draws you could get out of them ended in their late-20's to early-30's. The fact that neither has had any real character progression (especially Cena, at least there was psychopath Orton) and that they're both still young is the definition of why no one should be top draw at 25 in the era of no competition. If TNA had the money or at least recognition one of the would be gone by now and at least the other would be looked at as the (if somewhat stale) mainstay. Everyone loses their ability to draw overtime and if no one jumps or freshens up overtime no one ultimately succeeds. As for Punk & Bryan, Punk is still popular but past his state as the main guy, Bryan has a shot, but has been cut out at the knees at every opprotunity recently. I don't like him and even I see it. Right now the WWE needs to figure out some long term planning but when everyone gets booked in to jobber land at somepoint it's hard to do that. Hell, Cena & Orton, regardless if you don't like them or not are their 2 biggest guys and were never booked down to midcard/jobber status and holy shit, they're over! Punk & Bryan earned it thru some decent booking and being great talents. They're also more recent and therefor get better crowds reactions. But I do think the days of the crowd being pissy toward them is coming. Hell, it's kinda already started for Punk. I guess my true response is find trained talent that's 30+ and put them in the spotlight (which actually is Bryan right now) as opposed to guys who's face run get stale when they're 27 years old. Or something.
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