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Post by slappy on Dec 18, 2013 20:57:10 GMT -5
And the thread isn't about some B2K bullshit either. But what I said goes along with what you are saying about making statements to the media. If someone doesn't believe A, B and C should it be in their contract that they cannot talk about not believing A, B and C? Yes, and many contracts already have that. It's so that networks/studios/companies investing in a performer doesn't undo their work by poppin' off at the mouth spewing hate and ignorance. I just think it's ridiculous. We seem to be holding reality TV stars to a higher standard than politicians who say the same or worse (which because of the politics rule I won't go further than that). Hell, we are holding this reality star to a higher standard than Sean Penn, a genuinely awful person (to put it mildly). People (obviously not all) complaining about this guy's comments happily handed over money to watch Penn portray Harvey Milk.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Dec 18, 2013 21:00:03 GMT -5
I don't feel denigrated. And I'm not going to let some reality TV star hurt my feelings or make me upset. If you work at an office and suddenly burst out with these comments disrupting the work day, I'd think you'd get in trouble but that'd probably have to do with the disruption and not the comments. Any disruption or distraction would cause trouble. You don't think these comments are causing/will cause a massive disruption for everyone involved with managing the multimedia juggernaut that is Duck Dynasty? A huge multimillion dollar enterprise just went from being silly and wholesome to racist homophobic and wholesome-in-the-sense-of-old movies-from-the-10s-40s-that-require-apologies-from-Leonard-Maltin-on-the-disc. Wholesome like a big bowl of Quaker Oatmeal...Isn't that right, Wilford Brimley? Hi, I'm Wilford Brimley and I have DIABEETUS. That's why every morning I have a nice hot bowl of Quaker Oatmeal. It helps me get in a good days work of building a tiny spaceship underneath the shed Kurt Russell locked me in because I went crazy and tried to kill him with an axe. F*** YOU, KURT RUSSELL!! I'LL SHOW YOU AND KEITH DAVID WHEN I FLY MY ASS OUTTA THIS DEAD AND FORSAKEN WASTELAND KNOWN AS ANTARCTICA!!! HAVE A BIG SPOONFUL OF THAT, BITCH!!
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Dec 18, 2013 21:00:07 GMT -5
Homophobia is still as common as sunrise, so yes. I agree, that his guy is a douche, and I agree that homophobia is terribly common. But getting bent out of shape on the FAN boards? I dunno what that really solves. Well it's a discussion, the aim isn't for us to solve or change anything here, obviously. At minimum, i'd hope there's enough uproar over this to continue the landslide of changing attitudes towards homophobia and how unacceptable, ignorant and wrong it is rather than people just sweeping it under the rug and presuming it'll just go away eventually.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 18, 2013 21:00:09 GMT -5
I don't feel I've misused it. Yes you did. No one was saying he should've been jailed or arrested, which is what freedom of speech covers: the right to say any dumb or stupid thing you want (as long as it doesn't incite violence or is blatant slander) without fear of repercussion from the government. Freedom of speech also covers: 1. The ability to call him an asshole and not respect a thing he said. 2. The ability to boycott him or his business because you think he's an asshole. 3. The ability to pressure a private business that employs him to suspend or fire him for being an asshole. 4. The ability for people to treat him like a pariah for being an asshole. Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism or consequence. Amazing Kitsune said that people "on other forums" were calling for his arrest, and if these people exist they would be wrong. But that has no relevance to the discussion here and it comes off like a boogeyman. And arguably worse, an accusation was made that board members here were ignoring his freedom of speech, which is not the case and frankly insulting to fellow posters. Apologies if I've come off as a curt, but I'm a history teacher and easily set off by Constitutional arguments that are misappropriated.
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Post by kidglov3s on Dec 18, 2013 21:00:28 GMT -5
Yes, and many contracts already have that. It's so that networks/studios/companies investing in a performer doesn't undo their work by poppin' off at the mouth spewing hate and ignorance. I just think it's ridiculous. We seem to be holding reality TV stars to a higher standard than politicians who say the same or worse (which because of the politics rule I won't go further than that). You must not follow politics much because any notable figure saying something like this would be major news and a really big deal, for days and days and weeks and even years it would be a permanent part of that person's identity and reputation. That's just kind of what it means to be a public figure.
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Post by Raskovnik on Dec 18, 2013 21:01:08 GMT -5
Now who will Wal Mart sell posters of?
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Post by slappy on Dec 18, 2013 21:01:26 GMT -5
I certainly don't agree with anything he said but I think forcing him off TV is ridiculous. Should we screen every TV star, actor or reality star to make sure they believe A, B and C before they are allowed to be on TV? Or if they don't believe A, B and C then put in their contract that they cannot reveal that they don't believe A, B and C? It's not a matter of what he believes or doesn't believe; anyone's free to say or do what they please (within the law, obviously). It's making a public spectacle of yourself and making comments that are insanely insensitive at best, thoroughly offensive at worst, and ignorant in every way, to an enormous segment of the population, a portion of whom may well be among your fans, or at the very least may be fans of the network you work for. If you're going to put your network's image at risk like that, then yeah, they're going to kick you off; very little to do with personal beliefs and much more to do with public conduct. It's up to them. If they want to kick him off, I have no problem with that. I also have no problem if they want to keep him.
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Post by kidglov3s on Dec 18, 2013 21:03:29 GMT -5
Now who will Wal Mart sell posters of? Like Phil Collins once said, "I WANNNA KNOWWWW! CANYA SHOWWWWWWWWWWME!" Also, "TWO WORLDS! ONE FAMILY!"
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 18, 2013 21:05:23 GMT -5
Yes, and many contracts already have that. It's so that networks/studios/companies investing in a performer doesn't undo their work by poppin' off at the mouth spewing hate and ignorance. I just think it's ridiculous. We seem to be holding reality TV stars to a higher standard than politicians who say the same or worse (which because of the politics rule I won't go further than that). Hell, we are holding this reality star to a higher standard than Sean Penn, a genuinely awful person (to put it mildly). People (obviously not all) complaining about this guy's comments happily handed over money to watch Penn portray Harvey Milk. Be careful, though; you're comparing apples and oranges. In an ideal world, I think all politicians would be held to insanely high standards on issues like this; however, politicians are responsible to their constituents. If a congressperson, for example, said something this ignorant, it would be in the hands of the voters in his/her district or state to decide his/her fate (the rest of Congress, meanwhile, may condemn what the congressperson said or censure them, but that's about the extent of what they can do). As for Penn, he could certainly be subject to boycotts, as well; that's up to the general public. But he's not a TV actor with a hit show on cable, hence him saying something one might consider awful doesn't wind up reflecting on an entire channel; that's baggage that most movie actors don't have to carry, fair or not.
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Post by slappy on Dec 18, 2013 21:06:23 GMT -5
I just think it's ridiculous. We seem to be holding reality TV stars to a higher standard than politicians who say the same or worse (which because of the politics rule I won't go further than that). You must not follow politics much because any notable figure saying something like this would be major news and a really big deal, for days and days and weeks and even years it would be a permanent part of that person's identity and reputation. That's just kind of what it means to be a public figure. It'd be news for a day until another shooting happened then "everyone" would forget about it. Politicians say and do terrible things all the time and people forgive and forget. They let them continue their careers and they suffer no real consequences for it. Sure, they may be voted out because of it (doubtful) but they'll have a cushy job lined up so it doesn't really matter.
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Post by RedSmile on Dec 18, 2013 21:07:40 GMT -5
I agree, that his guy is a douche, and I agree that homophobia is terribly common. But getting bent out of shape on the FAN boards? I dunno what that really solves. Well it's a discussion, the aim isn't for us to solve or change anything here, obviously. At minimum, i'd hope there's enough uproar over this to continue the landslide of changing attitudes towards homophobia and how unacceptable, ignorant and wrong it is rather than people just sweeping it under the rug and presuming it'll just go away eventually. It won't go away to the intelligent people who read the article. That's the great thing about morons, they can't help but prove to you how moronic they are. The man has outed himself, clearly confirming that he's an idiot douche. That just won't go away, no matter how many canned PR prepared apologies A&E PR makes him read. He can't unsay what has been said, it's the same with Tim Hardaway and the Ultimate Warrior.
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Post by kidglov3s on Dec 18, 2013 21:09:54 GMT -5
You must not follow politics much because any notable figure saying something like this would be major news and a really big deal, for days and days and weeks and even years it would be a permanent part of that person's identity and reputation. That's just kind of what it means to be a public figure. It'd be news for a day until another shooting happened then "everyone" would forget about it. Politicians say and do terrible things all the time and people forgive and forget. They let them continue their careers and they suffer no real consequences for it. Sure, they may be voted out because of it (doubtful) but they'll have a cushy job lined up so it doesn't really matter. I don't remarks like this are so easily erased, just because you might not immediately think about it doesn't mean it's not a part of their brand, as this is now forever going to be a part of the Duck Dynasty brand. As hmark alluded to, it's not always a negative. Not so much racist remarks but there are definitely politicians whose brand identity is pretty firmly rooted in being homophobic and the people they represent award them with re-elections and continued support for maintaining a consistent attitude of anti gayness.
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Post by slappy on Dec 18, 2013 21:10:32 GMT -5
I just think it's ridiculous. We seem to be holding reality TV stars to a higher standard than politicians who say the same or worse (which because of the politics rule I won't go further than that). Hell, we are holding this reality star to a higher standard than Sean Penn, a genuinely awful person (to put it mildly). People (obviously not all) complaining about this guy's comments happily handed over money to watch Penn portray Harvey Milk. Be careful, though; you're comparing apples and oranges. In an ideal world, I think all politicians would be held to insanely high standards on issues like this; however, politicians are responsible to their constituents. If a congressperson, for example, said something this ignorant, it would be in the hands of the voters in his/her district or state to decide his/her fate (the rest of Congress, meanwhile, may condemn what the congressperson said or censure them, but that's about the extent of what they can do). As for Penn, he could certainly be subject to boycotts, as well; that's up to the general public. But he's not a TV actor with a hit show on cable, hence him saying something one might consider awful doesn't wind up reflecting on an entire channel; that's baggage that most movie actors don't have to carry, fair or not. They'd probably vote to keep them because it seems the general public doesn't really care about stuff like this. Shouldn't it look bad for any studio that hires him to do a movie or any theater that carries his films? But I guess that is an ideal world.
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Post by BR329 on Dec 18, 2013 21:14:53 GMT -5
So this is why he's the top trend on twitter and there is so, so many ignorant tweets defending him.
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Post by RedSmile on Dec 18, 2013 21:19:22 GMT -5
Yes, and many contracts already have that. It's so that networks/studios/companies investing in a performer doesn't undo their work by poppin' off at the mouth spewing hate and ignorance. I just think it's ridiculous. We seem to be holding reality TV stars to a higher standard than politicians who say the same or worse (which because of the politics rule I won't go further than that). Hell, we are holding this reality star to a higher standard than Sean Penn, a genuinely awful person (to put it mildly). People (obviously not all) complaining about this guy's comments happily handed over money to watch Penn portray Harvey Milk. Slappy, you are correct that there is a hypocrisy within society. I can locate a number of terrible stories. Ones about violence, murder, animal cruelty, human trafficking, sweatshops. terrorism, stories full of legit evil on a near daily basis, and that won't get near the outrage that this story about a dumbass flapping his lips will get. The blame for this, I believe lies squarely with the sensationalist, ratings driven media.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 18, 2013 21:20:13 GMT -5
Now who will Wal Mart sell posters of? Like Phil Collins once said, "I WANNNA KNOWWWW! CANYA SHOWWWWWWWWWWME!" Also, "TWO WORLDS! ONE FAMILY!" It's a Land Of Confusion as to who they'll go with now. Maybe the answer lies in a Trick Of The Tail.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2013 21:22:37 GMT -5
I'm with him about vagina's being more appealing...then again that's my own thought. Then again i've never seen Brad Pitt's ass and that could sway me. What about SuperSweet's ass? I looked at this thread and somehow knew i was going to be brought up. Anyways what about ladies anuses? What about the heterosexual anal sex? What about couples who prefer anal sex rather then vaginal sex? Are they gay by his logic? Am I less of a man? His logic is confusing me!!!!!
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Post by Some Guy on Dec 18, 2013 21:24:05 GMT -5
I just think it's ridiculous. We seem to be holding reality TV stars to a higher standard than politicians who say the same or worse (which because of the politics rule I won't go further than that). Hell, we are holding this reality star to a higher standard than Sean Penn, a genuinely awful person (to put it mildly). People (obviously not all) complaining about this guy's comments happily handed over money to watch Penn portray Harvey Milk. Be careful, though; you're comparing apples and oranges. In an ideal world, I think all politicians would be held to insanely high standards on issues like this; however, politicians are responsible to their constituents. If a congressperson, for example, said something this ignorant, it would be in the hands of the voters in his/her district or state to decide his/her fate (the rest of Congress, meanwhile, may condemn what the congressperson said or censure them, but that's about the extent of what they can do). As for Penn, he could certainly be subject to boycotts, as well; that's up to the general public. But he's not a TV actor with a hit show on cable, hence him saying something one might consider awful doesn't wind up reflecting on an entire channel; that's baggage that most movie actors don't have to carry, fair or not. I'm pretty sure Penn torturing Madonna is worse than a few misguided comments. Honestly, this guys comments aren't even that bad in comparison to some of the shit that gets said by public figures daily.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Dec 18, 2013 21:24:18 GMT -5
I shouldn't have gotten on Twitter. It really irritates me when I see so many people completely misunderstand 'free speech' and the 'First Amendment.'
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Post by Glitch on Dec 18, 2013 21:28:58 GMT -5
What about SuperSweet's ass? I looked at this thread and somehow knew i was going to be brought up. Anyways what about ladies anuses? What about the heterosexual anal sex? What about couples who prefer anal sex rather then vaginal sex? Are they gay by his logic? Am I less of a man? His logic is confusing me!!!!! Calm down man. Here, have some Jericho brand ass-cream.
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