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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2013 6:45:35 GMT -5
1. Vince Mcmahon filtered Vince Russo's bad ideas alot - this seems to come from Cornette and has become considered the truth, by 1998 Vince was pretty much hands off with creative, leaving Russo and Ferrera to it. people claim that Russo lacked the filter in WCW which is why he failed there, but in reality the company was in bad shape and he had to deal with all the bullshit politics from overpaid egomaniacs used to getting their own way, Creative control and Turner standards and practices.
2. Vince was the first to break the unwritten rules of territories by trying to expand nationally on Cable TV - Georgia Championship Wrestling was on cable in the late 70's, before the WWF in the 80s
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Post by BigJerichool222 on Dec 23, 2013 6:48:36 GMT -5
That it sucks.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2013 6:52:01 GMT -5
As someone who only got into the WWE into 2001, where a lot of their historical revisionism was already ingrained I'm excited for this thread. I'm gonna learn.
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Post by Abdullah on Dec 23, 2013 6:55:08 GMT -5
I wonder how true, or rather widespread, the possibility of 'sleeping your way to the top' is. With WWE presenting itself like a real business, I've tended to assume that the casting couch environment has faded in recent years.
It probably still exists to an extent, but even then I don't know that it leads to huge pushes.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2013 7:08:21 GMT -5
1. Vince Mcmahon filtered Vince Russo's bad ideas alot - this seems to come from Cornette and has become considered the truth, by 1998 Vince was pretty much hands off with creative, leaving Russo and Ferrera to it. people claim that Russo lacked the filter in WCW which is why he failed there, but in reality the company was in bad shape and he had to deal with all the bullshit politics from overpaid egomaniacs used to getting their own way, Creative control and Turner standards and practices. That's debatable. I've seen plenty of guys who were in the WWF at the time say Russo sucked and only actually came up with a few winning ideas. As for Vince being "hands off" with creative, I don't think that's ever happened. What Vince says goes. And Russo in WCW, I don't know how anyone can deny he did a terrible job. Most of the people who worked with him have nothing but negative things to say. Ratings were worse, PPV buys plummeted. All Turner's standards and practices did was stop WCW from being edgy like the WWF. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2013 7:10:23 GMT -5
Stephanie and Macho Man.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Dec 23, 2013 7:12:25 GMT -5
Triple H isn't over, everyone hates him, he sucks, he's not one of the best of all time, etc.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Dec 23, 2013 7:13:03 GMT -5
That Vince McMahon is trying to clone himself.
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Post by JTG Fan on Dec 23, 2013 7:13:32 GMT -5
1. Vince Mcmahon filtered Vince Russo's bad ideas alot - this seems to come from Cornette and has become considered the truth, by 1998 Vince was pretty much hands off with creative, leaving Russo and Ferrera to it. people claim that Russo lacked the filter in WCW which is why he failed there, but in reality the company was in bad shape and he had to deal with all the bullshit politics from overpaid egomaniacs used to getting their own way, Creative control and Turner standards and practices. That's not exactly true though. Russo was definitely left to his own devices when it came to the midcard with Vince adding input as well, but when it came to the main events, the main event players, and actually setting up matches that drew money, Vinny Mac was the be all, end all. It's clear that when he went to WCW that Russo didn't have anybody above him steering him towards angles that would actually make a person buy a house show ticket or plunk down money for a PPV. And c'mon, Russo blaming Standards and Practices and Turner for the product not being great because they made him cut out fat jokes about Bertha Faye is the height of absurdity. |
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Post by Snaptastic on Dec 23, 2013 9:28:42 GMT -5
Triple H isn't over, everyone hates him, he sucks, he's not one of the best of all time, etc. Agreed. He's certainly one of the best of all time...it's just that there's quite a number of guys who were closer to the title of "best". |
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Post by Brooklynpunk97 on Dec 23, 2013 9:32:40 GMT -5
Without Rock and Austin, HHH wouldnt have drew a dime.
(I believe that, actually.)
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Dec 23, 2013 9:40:18 GMT -5
Triple H isn't over, everyone hates him, he sucks, he's not one of the best of all time, etc. What HHH are we talking about? It's true that he was once an amazing wrestler. It's also true that after his big injury, he bulked up way too much and it really hurt his ring work. People forget that he WAS awesome in the ring, which is part of why they pushed him so hard. But the reason they forget is that he started to suck. |
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Post by Reflecto on Dec 23, 2013 9:43:16 GMT -5
2. Vince was the first to break the unwritten rules of territories by trying to expand nationally on Cable TV - Georgia Championship Wrestling was on cable in the late 70's, before the WWF in the 80s This was also a reverse myth: Georgia Championship Wrestling [and Vince Sr.'s WWWF] had cable timeslots in the late '70s- but they were still considered not breaking the unwritten rules- in both cases, they were local shows taken nationally by circumstances out of their control [WTBS going from an local Atlanta TV station to being the Superstation bringing GCW national, Madison Square Garden getting its own cable network [and thus Vince's MSG shows getting a national audience], and both networks didn't exploit their cable coverage, staying inside their own territories. Vince Jr. was the first one who actually decided to use the cable advantage to promote anywhere in the country he pleased, so that's where the issue was. |
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Dec 23, 2013 9:45:37 GMT -5
I can count on one hand the amount of HHH matches i'd ever want to see again and they were all before 2001.
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Post by mrbananagrabber on Dec 23, 2013 10:08:10 GMT -5
That the words "wrestler" and "wrestling" are taboo, despite them being used at least once a week.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Dec 23, 2013 10:17:20 GMT -5
I wonder how true, or rather widespread, the possibility of 'sleeping your way to the top' is. With WWE presenting itself like a real business, I've tended to assume that the casting couch environment has faded in recent years. It probably still exists to an extent, but even then I don't know that it leads to huge pushes. in regards to the divas, it probably did exist but it isn't as all-pervasive as it used to be. you're more likely to get ahead by hooking up with one of the wrestlers than by sleeping with Johnny Ace or Michael Hayes (Rosa Mendes isn't the one with a tv show, after all). as for male talent I think it's probably completely gone now, and was more of an NWA thing than a WWE thing (most of the stories about Patterson I put down as just homophobia, but Dusty Rhodes has confirmed it did go on in the NWA and he had to push guys who were "with" someone in the NWA hierarchy fairly often, though he didn't name names). |
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Dec 23, 2013 10:19:20 GMT -5
Without Rock and Austin, HHH wouldnt have drew a dime. (I believe that, actually.) except that one's true. ratings started plummeting right around the beginning of his Poochie push. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2013 10:21:59 GMT -5
That you can't see John Cena.
You can actually see him quite well. I'm really not sure what they're talking about. He's just as visible as all the other wrestlers.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2013 10:24:00 GMT -5
That the words "wrestler" and "wrestling" are taboo, despite them being used at least once a week. They're not taboo but it's pretty obvious Vince prefers the terms "superstar" and "entertainment/sports-entertainment". |
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Post by Push R Truth on Dec 23, 2013 10:25:27 GMT -5
I still run into people at Live Events that claim the Big Show is Andre's kid/we are on the second Undertaker/we are on the 2-4th Kane. Although I can at least see why somebody might have believed these because some old storylines related to each one (Fake Undertaker/Fake Kane). Although my memory is foggy on Big Show, did WCW used to call him Andre's kid to get him over in the long-long ago(in the before time)? I always figured this wasn't true because it was a stupid rumor in the first place. Well that, and Macho didn't end up brutally injured/mysterious disappearance/murdered. Plus the "Slim Jim" theory fits timelines better and performs better against Occam's Razor. That might still not be "the answer", but I fully belief it's safe to assume the Steph/Macho theory is bullshit. |
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