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Post by Talent Name on Jan 7, 2014 20:17:56 GMT -5
Can we please simmer down here? What the hell are we even arguing about? I am being highly calm and we are discussing if Dean's smile is because he is a psycho
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mizerable
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Post by mizerable on Jan 7, 2014 20:18:00 GMT -5
To be fair, I agree with MichaelMartini. Outside of demeanor, I've never seen anything that should be considered psychotic, at least nothing that Reigns and Rollins aren't already doing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2014 20:27:01 GMT -5
Eh...
I took it as Dean was just being his old crazy self. He has one of those characters that doing something like this actually works. Not everyone can fit in that category. Dean could pull it off. Bray Wyatt can potentially pull something like this off. Mankind could have pulled it off. Certain characters are so weird, demented and twisted that corpsing won't matter much to their characters. It's not like Del Rio, Brock or Undertaker did it. They couldn't pull it off. Dean pulls it off.
As for the fact is it "acceptable" well look at how it affects his character and what the WWE has done. They didn't edit it out of their Youtube account either. With that said, Dean is completely fine.
It's not that serious guys.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2014 20:29:16 GMT -5
Honestly Dean is the one of the Shield with the clearest character out of the group. Why do you single him out? As I said before it's fine to say that he's not playing a good psychopath or that WWE should acknowledge it more but to say that he's not playing a psychopath at all is clearly incorrect. Someone also posted the definition of psychopath which Dean clearly falls under. You don't have much ground to walk on at this point. Name one crazy ACTION he has performed. Or just keep ignoring the question I'm trying to have answered. I really don't care anymore at this point. Did you read where I asked you to point it out? Seriously if you had actually watched the match I was pointing you to then your question would have been answered. Running all over the ring and having to constantly be restrained by Rollins during Reigns' match as well as having to be restrained during the Piper segment. Also when he cost Rollins the match and instead of chasing Punk he sat in a corner and rocked. I believe this one was mentioned already. There are clearly signs of him being a psychopath. You can ignore them or choose to believe that they're stupid or corny or it's him playing a character but even then you're admitting that he is trying to play the character of a psychopath even if it is a poor Ledger Joker. So obviously fans of his are going to believe this character. I truly don't know what is so hard to understand. The Shield were always about unity and as such they would have difficulty fully fleshing out their characters (that is the same with Rollins and Reigns). Now that the cracks are beginning to show they can begin fleshing out their own characters more. Edit: K sorry mods and everyone didn't mean to be a bother. I normally don't get serious on here often and I guess I may have come across as insulting. I apologize to all involved sorry to derail the thread. Honestly the smile really added to the segment for me. Admittedly I was too busy feeling so happy for Jake that he managed to beat his demons and make it back into the WWE. You just knew he was loving it and then they show Dean who just completely portrayed the exact same emotion I was feeling at the time and I felt it just made it that much better.
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Post by mizerable on Jan 7, 2014 20:33:42 GMT -5
It's not that serious guys. I don't think it's serious, but I do seem to see a lot of people jump to conclusions with Ambrose's character any time something happens. Everything gets explained away because he's "psychotic". "Was Dean smiling?" "Yeah, it's great because he's a psycho." "Was Dean calling his spots too loud?" "Yeah, it's great because he's a psycho." "Is Dean not defending his title for a reason?" "Yeah, it's great because he's a psycho." Look...I like the guy. But, without going to his Jon Moxley character, he has not exhibited MUCH in WWE, yet he's supposed to be a future main eventer. I can't base that simply on his WWE stuff (which is what SHOULD count when measuring his character RIGHT NOW).
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Post by Essential1 on Jan 7, 2014 20:34:30 GMT -5
Yeah I caught that, it was quite funny seeing the man of 1000 facial expressions trying his best to hold back a smile.
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Post by Green Arrow on Jan 7, 2014 20:37:10 GMT -5
I thought the way he even moved in the ring in general put him over as a twitchy psycho. I didn't need to hear the guy speak or have him toss someone through the window to know that there's something off. Ehh...I really should stay out of this. there's a Man on a mission... fwiw I agree with the 'perception' side of things...
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Post by mrjl on Jan 7, 2014 20:44:28 GMT -5
Honestly Dean is the one of the Shield with the clearest character out of the group. Why do you single him out? As I said before it's fine to say that he's not playing a good psychopath or that WWE should acknowledge it more but to say that he's not playing a psychopath at all is clearly incorrect. Someone also posted the definition of psychopath which Dean clearly falls under. You don't have much ground to walk on at this point. Name one crazy ACTION he has performed. Or just keep ignoring the question I'm trying to have answered. I really don't care anymore at this point. after taking several minutes desperately trying to persuade Seth Rollins not to attack Luke Harper, he turns around and decks Bray Wyatt himself for no reason at all.
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Post by mrjl on Jan 7, 2014 20:48:41 GMT -5
It's not that serious guys. I don't think it's serious, but I do seem to see a lot of people jump to conclusions with Ambrose's character any time something happens. Everything gets explained away because he's "psychotic". "Was Dean smiling?" "Yeah, it's great because he's a psycho." "Was Dean calling his spots too loud?" "Yeah, it's great because he's a psycho." "Is Dean not defending his title for a reason?" "Yeah, it's great because he's a psycho." Look...I like the guy. But, without going to his Jon Moxley character, he has not exhibited MUCH in WWE, yet he's supposed to be a future main eventer. I can't base that simply on his WWE stuff (which is what SHOULD count when measuring his character RIGHT NOW). to be perfectly honest I'm not a big Ambrose guy, but his body language seems off to me. I can easily see him just randomly upping it to twitching it or scratching himself bloody
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Post by MichaelMartini on Jan 7, 2014 20:53:16 GMT -5
Name one crazy ACTION he has performed. Or just keep ignoring the question I'm trying to have answered. I really don't care anymore at this point. after taking several minutes desperately trying to persuade Seth Rollins not to attack Luke Harper, he turns around and decks Bray Wyatt himself for no reason at all. You win. At least in the sense that it's the closest anyone has come to giving me an example of him DOING something that might be considered a bit psycho.
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Post by mizerable on Jan 7, 2014 20:53:39 GMT -5
to be perfectly honest I'm not a big Ambrose guy, but his body language seems off to me. I can easily see him just randomly upping it to twitching it or scratching himself bloody He has a snap to his kicks and punches, but outside of that, it seems pretty standard. I just think if WWE wants the fans to be high on this guy, they need a better reason to give us. I don't think it's fair to draw conclusions from literally very minor things. It's like that promo where he namedropped Andre the Giant. It was very very standard, both in it's content and it's delivery, however I remember at least one poster on here almost having an orgasm from it. Again, I'm ot saying that Ambrose can't be an amazing guy, but everything in WWE so far has just been okay, at best.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Jan 7, 2014 21:05:29 GMT -5
Can we please simmer down here? What the hell are we even arguing about? Something about Jack Roberts and his Snane putting poop on a happy psychopath person.
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Post by SCCB Was Told To Do Steroids on Jan 7, 2014 21:15:31 GMT -5
I believe between his Florida history (remember, WWE acknowledges its existence, Ambrose didn't have his history wiped clean when was called up) and the announcers constantly referring to him as warped, demented, "a bit off" and the like is the basis for this. Storyline terms, John Moxley and Dean Ambrose aren't the same guy. If they mentioned it it was only in passing as I've never heard it. And there's a big difference between "a bit off" and psychopath. That still didn't answer my question anyway. What has he done? Storyline terms, CM Punk is more of a psycho since he tormented Rey's kids, defiled Paul Bearers ashes. They gave Ambrose a slight backstory in NXT, carrying his gimmick over. They say proven stars are "international stars". Hell, last week Cole even mentioned that Luke Harper was a former truck driver. I think it just adds to his character. Remember, this is the same guy who said in a shoot interview that you can't take this job to seriously.
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Post by King Boo on Jan 7, 2014 21:23:41 GMT -5
It's a breakdown that's picking up speed the more he's told he's the weak link, because he's hot tempered and off-kilter.
His body language and demeanor are full of small tics and quirks (the dancing motions, the hunched shoulders, the mumbling, the pacing, the manic nail biting, the crouching alone after a loss). I think those details are what's great about it. I like paying attention to him, reading his mannerisms and watching him begin to snap. I don't think it's fair to say that because he hasn't been full on psychopath yet that the signs aren't there and it's based on nothing. They *are* there, you just have to watch him, especially when he's not the focus. There's something to be said about it simmering just barely under the surface, rather than boiling out all over the place - it makes it seem more genuine, and it will mean more when he finally does snap all the way.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Jan 7, 2014 21:24:02 GMT -5
Can we please simmer down here? What the hell are we even arguing about? Whether a picture of AJ proved if The Rock was black or the first gay character in wrestling
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jan 7, 2014 21:43:40 GMT -5
It was probably a natural, unconscious reaction, kind of like the sensation of something being ticklish.
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Post by evilhomer on Jan 7, 2014 22:09:24 GMT -5
He's doing a Joker impression. The Joker does crazy stuff. Dean has not. You're using very strange logic. I didn't ignore their examples. I said they were no good since they weren't able to come up with something crazy that Dean has done. Oh, he was crazy in the indies or Cole told us he was doesn't cut it. I gave reasons why that doesn't answer my question which you are ignoring. Point out what I ignored and I'll answer it. In the meantime please have a look at that Punk/Reigns matchup and tell me what more Dean could do to be a psychopath. Ironic that you would be talking about ignoring what someone is saying yet completely ignored that comment of mine that you quoted. ![](http://venkiraja.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/ta-da.jpg)
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Post by Lazy peon on Jan 7, 2014 22:17:25 GMT -5
It's not that serious guys. I don't think it's serious, but I do seem to see a lot of people jump to conclusions with Ambrose's character any time something happens. Everything gets explained away because he's "psychotic". "Was Dean smiling?" "Yeah, it's great because he's a psycho." "Was Dean calling his spots too loud?" "Yeah, it's great because he's a psycho." "Is Dean not defending his title for a reason?" "Yeah, it's great because he's a psycho." Look...I like the guy. But, without going to his Jon Moxley character, he has not exhibited MUCH in WWE, yet he's supposed to be a future main eventer. I can't base that simply on his WWE stuff (which is what SHOULD count when measuring his character RIGHT NOW). It's like how everything about AJ is explained as "she's crazy!"
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Jan 7, 2014 22:34:37 GMT -5
I think we can all agree that Dean Ambrose needs to prove he's crazy by blowing up a hospital. In the mean time he's totally not psychotic, like, at all. Not even any crazy tics or anything.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2014 22:36:42 GMT -5
What is everyone talking about? Ambrose is like the normalest guy on the roster!
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