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Post by Cela on Jan 8, 2014 18:05:31 GMT -5
What about Maleficent getting stabbed in the heart onscreen before falling into a firepit?
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on Jan 8, 2014 19:06:50 GMT -5
^ She was a large fire-breathing dragon at the time, fantasy monsters being stabbed isn't so bad.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2014 19:07:18 GMT -5
Because no one cared about that movie. It was either on the tail end of Disney movies which people cared about, or the first Disney movie that a lot fewer people than usual cared about.... The latter for me. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 8, 2014 19:11:08 GMT -5
Disney knew how to give villains their comeuppance, even in kids movies.
Scar was eaten alive, Gaston fell to his death, I think Frollo did too, Ursula was stabbed by a ship, and Jafar was forced to endure being trapped in a lamp for all eternity.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Jan 8, 2014 19:32:00 GMT -5
I always found it weird that it's apparently less offensive to censors if we don't technically see the death. We still know he died, we still know HOW he died, we still know it was brutal and presumably painful, so how is it any less shocking just because we don't see the actual body? I don't think any kid is gonna buy "he's just sleeping, honey". I think it's that death in itself isn't an issue, gore is. When you guy away, it's not graphic, so it's more acceptable. Death, however, is such a ubiquitious part of reality that you can't ban it from movies or tv. As for brutal Disney deaths, Ray gets stepped on, and then dies onscreen later. Still seems pretty graphic to me, especially in the case of a hanging. It doesn't leave much to the imagination. |
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Post by CMWaters on Jan 8, 2014 19:56:43 GMT -5
and Jafar was forced to endure being trapped in a lamp for all eternity. And in the sequel was killed because he underestimated his old sidekick. |
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Post by Red Impact on Jan 8, 2014 19:58:36 GMT -5
I think it's that death in itself isn't an issue, gore is. When you guy away, it's not graphic, so it's more acceptable. Death, however, is such a ubiquitious part of reality that you can't ban it from movies or tv. As for brutal Disney deaths, Ray gets stepped on, and then dies onscreen later. Still seems pretty graphic to me, especially in the case of a hanging. It doesn't leave much to the imagination. I don't really agree, I think showing an actual impaling or hanging is much more graphic than showing that that's what is happening, then cutting away so you don't see the actual event. They rate things based on what's shown, so blood, nudity, gore, language, etc. all increase the movie rating. Implying that someone cursed or were killed is different. Disney is pretty smart about it, you can't ignore that people die in these stories, but they won't show a bullet ripping through through someone or their neck stretched and contorted or someone bleeding with entrails ripped out on a pike. In Tarzan, it's a shadow in a lightning flash, shadows don't show body damage. |
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Jan 9, 2014 10:10:42 GMT -5
Not really shocking when you remember Tarzan came a year after Mulan, a film which not only has the villains implicitly killing a messenger because he wasn't necessary, the desolation of entire village (with specific imagery to denote children were included in the slaughter) and has Mulan likely killing at least hundreds of enemy soldiers via avalanche, giving her a higher body count than Charles Bronson in the Death Wish movies. to this day, Mulan is my favorite Disney movie. great story, wonderful main character, Eddie Murphy being Eddie Murphy, fantastic comedy relief, a love interest prince character who actually has motivations and a story of his own unrelated to the main character (and a BAD ASS training montage song!), a story that doesn't shy away from the ugliness of war (it's basically as Game of Thrones about war as a Disney film can be), and a legitimately frightening villain. |
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Post by BigWill on Jan 9, 2014 10:34:16 GMT -5
Because no one cared about that movie. It was either on the tail end of Disney movies which people cared about, or the first Disney movie that a lot fewer people than usual cared about.... The latter for me. For me, it's probably my favorite Disney movie ever. |
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Post by Beast Army Ass on Jan 9, 2014 11:29:35 GMT -5
I always found it weird that it's apparently less offensive to censors if we don't technically see the death. We still know he died, we still know HOW he died, we still know it was brutal and presumably painful, so how is it any less shocking just because we don't see the actual body? I don't think any kid is gonna buy "he's just sleeping, honey". I think it's that death in itself isn't an issue, gore is. When you guy away, it's not graphic, so it's more acceptable. Death, however, is such a ubiquitious part of reality that you can't ban it from movies or tv. As for brutal Disney deaths, Ray gets stepped on, and then dies onscreen later. Doesn't the witch doctor get dragged to hell by evil voodoo demons in the end too? I'd classify that as an unpleasant. I feel like the message they're going for is "do good things kids! Or be murdered horribly." Teaching through fear! Yayyyyyyy! |
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Post by Red Impact on Jan 9, 2014 11:31:45 GMT -5
I think it's that death in itself isn't an issue, gore is. When you guy away, it's not graphic, so it's more acceptable. Death, however, is such a ubiquitious part of reality that you can't ban it from movies or tv. As for brutal Disney deaths, Ray gets stepped on, and then dies onscreen later. Doesn't the witch doctor get dragged to hell by evil voodoo demons in the end too? I'd classify that as an unpleasant. I feel like the message they're going for is "do good things kids! Or be murdered horribly." Teaching through fear! Yayyyyyyy! Facilier's death was awesome, the only Disney villain to be killed by his own song. And hey, it's better than Pre-Hunchback Disney lessons. "If you're ugly, you're evil and will die horribly." |
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Post by Lupin the Third on Jan 9, 2014 11:38:04 GMT -5
I was actually going to mention the Gaston death in my post. But I couldn't remember if the spikes were in the movie or something I just imagined  I think that was in the Mortal Kombat Special Edition version. "Beast wins.........FATALITY." |
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Jan 9, 2014 11:39:50 GMT -5
It was either on the tail end of Disney movies which people cared about, or the first Disney movie that a lot fewer people than usual cared about.... The latter for me. For me, it's probably my favorite Disney movie ever. if nothing else it did give us South Park making continuous pot-shots at Phil Collins. |
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Post by Glitch on Jan 9, 2014 11:42:32 GMT -5
Because censors have gotten more easy over the years.Eventually we're gonna see an on screen decapitation, with the hero afterwards saying: "that's what you f***ing get."
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2014 12:11:03 GMT -5
Yeah, I really want to know why they would allow Stealth Sneak to crush him.
Oh, we're talking about the movie.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Jan 9, 2014 13:06:09 GMT -5
and Jafar was forced to endure being trapped in a lamp for all eternity. And in the sequel was killed because he underestimated his old sidekick. Before being resurrected and killed off again by a Greek hero and his sidekick. |
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Post by CMWaters on Jan 9, 2014 13:08:09 GMT -5
And in the sequel was killed because he underestimated his old sidekick. Before being resurrected and killed off again by a Greek hero and his sidekick. Can we really say he was alive then considering he had to hold on to the staff that Hades gave him to be corporeal? |
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Post by Alexander The So-so on Jan 9, 2014 20:09:55 GMT -5
You ever hear of the earlier idea for the ending of The Lion King?
Scar defeats Simba and throws him off a cliff, but Scar dies anyway, as he is consumed by the fire raging over Pride Rock while laughing maniacally.
For some reason, this was "too dark" for Disney's taste.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Jan 9, 2014 20:44:52 GMT -5
Before being resurrected and killed off again by a Greek hero and his sidekick. Can we really say he was alive then considering he had to hold on to the staff that Hades gave him to be corporeal? Let's go the judge. Mills? |
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Post by Lupin the Third on Jan 9, 2014 20:49:58 GMT -5
You ever hear of the earlier idea for the ending of The Lion King? Scar defeats Simba and throws him off a cliff, but Scar dies anyway, as he is consumed by the fire raging over Pride Rock while laughing maniacally. For some reason, this was "too dark" for Disney's taste. That was......confusing. |
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