Lila
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Post by Lila on Jan 9, 2014 23:14:47 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure at least some of it has been. Can I ask which parts were confirmed? I can see where Moolah was ripping them off, but that in itself might be motivation to invent other allegations. Billy Graham is the greatest example of when you mess with his income, he'll say anything and everything against you. I want to say Wendi and Luna have both talked about it because I know there have been female wrestlers shoot about it. |
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Post by Red Impact on Jan 9, 2014 23:25:12 GMT -5
There's no set requirement to any Hall of Fame that I know of, as they're based on the arbitrary whims of voters or committees. One Cooperstown voter this year farmed his ballot out to a snarky website, and it's also the only hall of fame that I know of that put (and kept) mediocre players in solely due to their connections with the head of the veteran's committee. It's value as an honor isn't for the fans to decide, it's for the people eligible for it. As for removing people,unless they're convicted of a heinous rime, I don't really think so. I think some people tend to downplay what some of these performers did because of the time frame they performed in. True, but even those have some sort of process, arbitrary or not that has some form of voting. I'll grant you, for the most part they're the equivalent of like the Miss Teen USA pageant or something. Cooperstown had a cronyism scandal that puts WWE to shame, and those players stayed in. Is it a fake Hall of Fame too? Fifty arbitrary opinions don't make a set criteria, so I'm having a hard time seeing that much of a difference. People will vote on whatever whim they want, and a lot of those whims are complete and total crap that has nothing to do with the game. And when we have voters that won't vote for people they think are deserving because they don't want them to get too much of the ballot or because they don't think they deserve to be a first ballot Hall of Famer (because once you're in, it totally matters if you were a first or second ballot player), it really makes me wonder how they're considered legit when wrestlers who see a WWE HOF induction as a big honor get to have their achievement trashed because it involves fewer people being completely and totally arbitrary. I think the WWE HoF gets judged by fans when, in the long run, I don't think it's a fan's place to pass judgement on how big of an honor it is. |
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jan 9, 2014 23:30:30 GMT -5
If they were to talk Moolah out, they would have to explain why, and thereby explain why they did business with her for so many years.
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Post by King Boo on Jan 9, 2014 23:56:58 GMT -5
If the inductees are honored by being inducted, then I don't feel it's my place to say that the HOF isn't "legitimate". I'm more than happy for them to have their moment in the sun and to have what they dedicated their life to acknowledged.
I know there's no set criteria or a board of voters or anything like that and I understand how that makes it random, but then I look at other HOF's and it's clear that even having that supposedly in place doesn't prevent bullshittery from occurring. The BBWA has a say in the Baseball Hall of Fame, and there's no way you can tell me that bitter, self-important writers don't use their ballot as a way to wield some sort of power over players they don't care for, sometimes for petty reasons. The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame has had people on the committee blatantly put their negative biases on display, preventing or massively delaying very worthy acts from getting an honor they've more than earned.
When I look at that, it makes me think that at least the way Vince is going about it is actually positive towards past talent, instead of denying them a thank you. Even the business end of it - he's not cutting his nose to spite his face. Speaking from a strictly business standpoint, that's more intelligent than what some other "more respectable" HOF's seem to be doing.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Jan 10, 2014 0:22:07 GMT -5
Can I ask which parts were confirmed? I can see where Moolah was ripping them off, but that in itself might be motivation to invent other allegations. Billy Graham is the greatest example of when you mess with his income, he'll say anything and everything against you. I want to say Wendi and Luna have both talked about it because I know there have been female wrestlers shoot about it. Wendi had an axe to grind over the Spider Lady incident, so it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility that she made it up. At least in that case, you may have to question her motives. |
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Post by molson5 on Jan 10, 2014 0:33:56 GMT -5
If the inductees are honored by being inducted, then I don't feel it's my place to say that the HOF isn't "legitimate". I'm more than happy for them to have their moment in the sun and to have what they dedicated their life to acknowledged. I know there's no set criteria or a board of voters or anything like that and I understand how that makes it random, but then I look at other HOF's and it's clear that even having that supposedly in place doesn't prevent bullshittery from occurring. The BBWA has a say in the Baseball Hall of Fame, and there's no way you can tell me that bitter, self-important writers don't use their ballot as a way to wield some sort of power over players they don't care for, sometimes for petty reasons. The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame has had people on the committee blatantly put their negative biases on display, preventing or massively delaying very worthy acts from getting an honor they've more than earned. When I look at that, it makes me think that at least the way Vince is going about it is actually positive towards past talent, instead of denying them a thank you. Even the business end of it - he's not cutting his nose to spite his face. Speaking from a strictly business standpoint, that's more intelligent than what some other "more respectable" HOF's seem to be doing. I think of the WWE hall of fame as comparable to regional or college sports hall of fame as opposed to the baseball/basketball/football hall of fame. The latter is serious business, with voters, criteria, a whole process. Inductions into the former is often just based on who may be in town for the annual banquet that year. It's a feel-good, happy event, a celebration, where individuals are honored. Which is totally cool too. I wouldn't demean the WWE HOF by calling it "fake" or anything like that - it is what is, it's not a super-serious criteria-driven thing, it's a fun night to honor a bunch of people that were important to wrestling's past. There's no science to it, so it's not worth getting upset that Koko B. Ware is in and some other guy isn't. It's just a big fun party during the biggest wrestling weekend of the year. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 10, 2014 0:46:17 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it isn't an honorific and a nice thing to do for guys and gals; just saying there's no real weight behind it at all/it's meaningless beyond that so debating the merits of who gets in or removed is pretty pointless.
Hell other Hofs don't matter much beyond that either, so I'm in agreement there.
Perhaps I was a bit too harsh with the adjective FAKE.
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Post by unc40 on Jan 10, 2014 1:12:05 GMT -5
The WWE Hall of Fame has become a joke in fact most Hall of Fames have become a joke. The Hall of Fame should be only for people who were great at their profession over a long period of time yet I have heard some pretty stupid reasons for putting people in a Hall of Fame. The latest one was a movement to put Ray Chapman in the Baseball Hall of Fame because he was killed during a baseball game.
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Post by Germansuplex on Jan 10, 2014 1:17:24 GMT -5
When you're HoF, you're HoF 4 life!
Or afterlife.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2014 1:18:34 GMT -5
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Post by Old Jack Burton on Jan 10, 2014 3:12:08 GMT -5
There's no criteria at all, no voters, no anything besides WWE going "Hey you're a hall of famer." I guess if votes are a requirement you are right. But it seems to me a "hall of fame" isn't a well defined concept. |
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Post by crowwreak was WRONG on Jan 10, 2014 3:26:00 GMT -5
We've gotten this far without mentioning Drew f***ing Carey?
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Post by fw91 on Jan 10, 2014 3:35:39 GMT -5
well my opinion of Moolah has changed drastically after lurking around here today. Kinda feel like this is Benoit-lite.
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Jan 10, 2014 3:48:27 GMT -5
Well if they are willing to induct a convicted rapist I really can't see the WWE removing some of the more scummy inductees.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 10, 2014 4:04:57 GMT -5
Well if they are willing to induct a convicted rapist I really can't see the WWE removing some of the more scummy inductees. Yeah, but he was at least convicted and has since come out of prison seemingly rehabilitated. |
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Post by Eunös ✈ on Jan 10, 2014 4:26:41 GMT -5
No doubt that if Benoit had already been in the HOF before the incident, He would have been the first ever inductee to be removed.
This is the first time I've ever heard about this whole Moolah situation, defiantly changed the way I see her.
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But yeah, No I don't think names should be removed.
rether you agree with their Induction or not, Unless they pull a Benoit, Let them stay.
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Post by Nic Nemeth on Jan 10, 2014 5:08:50 GMT -5
Unless it's a Benoit situation, no one should be removed.
How would they even explain it?
Cole: Fabulous Moolah has been removed from the Hall of Fame for spending a majority of her career being terrible to her students according to various sources!
Yeah that's not gonna fly, especially since she isn't even alive and it's better to remember the joy she brought us then something that's not even proven.
At least in a Benoit situation, they can go: "Due to actions that the WWE doesn't condone, we have removed Chris Benoit from our Hall of Fame!"
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Post by Dang! on Jan 10, 2014 5:21:18 GMT -5
Sunny shouldn't have hers revoked. Yeah, she's a slut, but she hasn't done anything worse than Hickenbottom who was absolute scum at his time.
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Post by DoubleDare on Jan 10, 2014 5:22:05 GMT -5
Pat Patterson was accused of sexual harassment and there's probably loads of stories we haven't even heard about what crap he pulled.
They even let him go in the early 90s or so because of it....and eventually rehired him lol.
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Post by Dang! on Jan 10, 2014 5:23:31 GMT -5
Um, can someone get me up to speed here about Moolah? What happened? I sense this is something a lot worse than the Spider Lady incident? The accusations are that she pimped out young women she was training (who were sometimes under-age) to promoters. Like she'd send them on the road to promoters to book them and have sex with them (and for the promoters to also offer them to their male booked wrestlers for sex as a kind of payment) in exchange for money, and any of the girls who refused were raped and fired. Ok. In that case I agree that Moolah should definetely have hers revoked. |
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