Boo!
Dennis Stamp
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Post by Boo! on Jan 10, 2014 6:03:00 GMT -5
Pat Patterson was accused of sexual harassment and there's probably loads of stories we haven't even heard about what crap he pulled. They even let him go in the early 90s or so because of it....and eventually rehired him lol. I think that was just homophobia from guys who were released or didn't make it or had some other kind of axe to grind who knew that in the early 1990s a gay man would be a very easy target to make those allegations at.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Jan 10, 2014 7:07:50 GMT -5
I still feel Moolah deserves her place even though what she did was scummy. Sunny should have hers revoked. Being a bit of a slag = pimping girls out, getting them blacklisted and stealing pay from them?
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jan 10, 2014 7:21:11 GMT -5
Moolah should be removed, but it's not going to happen unless the mainstream media start to do more digging into her past. If they removed Moolah, people would start asking questions they don't want to answer and start to investigate, Sweet Georgia Brown may just be the tip of the iceberg, heck, they may start digging into wrestling as a whole and there's a lot of stuff that I'm sure the McMahons would prefer to remain swept under the rug.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jan 10, 2014 7:31:53 GMT -5
From what they've said, Dudley did a whole hell of a lot of work backstage, and was a key figure backstage.
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Post by grimbiniho on Jan 10, 2014 9:42:43 GMT -5
I don't see any point removing anyone. It would just give them more unwanted publicity. Easier thing is just to not mention them again. It's easy enough nowadays to never bring up Moolah.
If there was a physical hall of fame that would be a different matter but no one would be any the wiser if they never mentioned Moolah again.
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Post by The Masked Heel WAS WRONG on Jan 10, 2014 9:44:56 GMT -5
Remove: James Dudley Johnny Rodz The Fabulous Moolah "Baron" Mikel Scicluna Ivan Putski Billy Graham Sunny "High Chief" Peter Maivia "Soulman" Rocky Johnson Koko B. Ware Whoa... I get some of those.... but Putski, Graham? Sunny? Probably some young kid who has no knowledge of the history of the business.
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Post by wallabylikeyou on Jan 10, 2014 10:05:44 GMT -5
WWE isn't going to want to go down the rabbit hole of removing people from the HOF for terrible things they've done, because that would be a pretty long list.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jan 10, 2014 10:47:38 GMT -5
no need to remove Moolah. just don't talk about her or promote her anymore. she's dead so it's not like she's going to complain.
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Woo
Hank Scorpio
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Post by Woo on Jan 10, 2014 11:43:25 GMT -5
Yeah Moolah should be quietly removed from the hall of fame. Can't believe I'm the first one to also mention Jimmy Snuka though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2014 11:56:18 GMT -5
Pat Patterson was accused of sexual harassment and there's probably loads of stories we haven't even heard about what crap he pulled. They even let him go in the early 90s or so because of it....and eventually rehired him lol. I think that was just homophobia from guys who were released or didn't make it or had some other kind of axe to grind who knew that in the early 1990s a gay man would be a very easy target to make those allegations at. It's kind of like in the Middle Ages whenever someone had a churchman or scholar who didn't like them, their posthumous biography would almost invariably accuse them of being gay. The "He's gay!" or "He's a pervert BECAUSE he's gay" are ancient mudslinging tactics.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jan 10, 2014 11:56:20 GMT -5
Yeah Moolah should be quietly removed from the hall of fame. Can't believe I'm the first one to also mention Jimmy Snuka though. You aren't.
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PKO
King Koopa
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Post by PKO on Jan 10, 2014 12:04:21 GMT -5
If there's ever a Benoit situation with a HOF then I expect their place will be revoked.
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Woo
Hank Scorpio
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Post by Woo on Jan 10, 2014 12:05:52 GMT -5
Just saw on page 2 that another person mentioned Superfly. I wouldn't have put him or Moolah in.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jan 10, 2014 12:12:21 GMT -5
Yeah Moolah should be quietly removed from the hall of fame. Can't believe I'm the first one to also mention Jimmy Snuka though. with Snuka it's a bit more complicated. it's up in the air whether he did it or not (for the record I think he did, and the cops investigating were terrible at their jobs). and WWE isn't going to kick him out unless they KNOW for certain he did it (which would open up a whole can of worms about why they never said anything before and continued to promote him).
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Woo
Hank Scorpio
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Post by Woo on Jan 10, 2014 12:22:14 GMT -5
Well the case still hasn't been solved, so he's still the main murder suspect right? I wouldn't have put him in to begin with.
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Post by Red Impact on Jan 10, 2014 12:23:40 GMT -5
The WWE Hall of Fame has become a joke in fact most Hall of Fames have become a joke. The Hall of Fame should be only for people who were great at their profession over a long period of time yet I have heard some pretty stupid reasons for putting people in a Hall of Fame. The latest one was a movement to put Ray Chapman in the Baseball Hall of Fame because he was killed during a baseball game. If you have a sports hall of fame where you can actually define a great career in concrete terms (achievements, wins, stats, longevity, etc.) then sure. But for non-sports Halls of Fame, it's different because it has to be. Unless you make it a kayfabe HoF, there's no set standard of greatness in wrestling, nor is success a true indicator of how talented a wrestler is. Wrestlers on their own cannot achieve anything no matter how talented they are. They can be booked to achieve something, they can be great at backstage politics and be good friends with the right people so that they can be booked well, they can outsleaze sleazy people to get recognition and fame, or they could be fortunate enough to have the right genetics to fit what the promoter thinks will make money at the time (or, conversely, the wrong genetics. But is someone less talented at his craft because promoters at the time didn't think they had the look to be a top star? If someone was extremely charismatic but an average in ring talent, do they get the same regard as someone who was a great in-ring talent but a charisma black hole? If someone was a huge name where they were in the territory era, should they get less consideration because where they were wasn't the same territory that the company had previously hyped up? What makes a wrestler great is different from what makes a baseball player great, because wrestling is not a sport, it's a show. A show takes all kinds, it take main eventers and middle carders and lower carders, and wrestlers can only influence where they stand o a certain degree. Sure, you have things like the celebrity inductions that are ultimately pointless, but as far as what wrestlers actually did, I don't think you can treat it as a sport and truly capture what wrestling is.
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Crappler El 0 M
Dalek
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I'm a good R-Truth.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jan 10, 2014 12:28:39 GMT -5
I cannot find any example of anyone ever being removed from any hall of fame, certainly not a major one. I found an incident where a picture of someone was removed (Aaron Hernandez in the Pro Football Hall of Fame), but he was never inducted into that Hall of Fame.
Moolah was inducted almost 20 years ago, well after her career as a wrestler and trainer. She died six years ago. If she were to be removed for her actions in the 1970s or 1980s behind the scenes, why wait until well after her death to remove her from the Hall of Fame? Everything she did which people are calling into question was done well before she was inducted. There was no real backlash or protest of WWE inducting Moolah into the Hall of Fame. She lived several more years after her induction and there was essentially no major call for WWE to take away her induction. WWE should not remove her from the Hall of Fame.
The induction of Jimmy Snuka could POTENTIALLY get troublesome because the death of his girlfriend is not a closed case and the district attorney there recently ordered that the case be reviewed. I think it's unlikely that Jimmy Snuka will ever be charged with murder. There may be evidence that he was abusive, but it would be difficult to prove that her death was not an accident. Her cause of death was judged to be from a tramautic brain injury caused by her head falling into a stationary object. To me, it would be very difficult to prove that Snuka was responsible for her death and that it wasn't an accidental death. However, in the scenario where Snuka IS charged and convicted, then I will be open to the idea of removing him from the Hall of Fame.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jan 10, 2014 12:37:08 GMT -5
I personally rather have her in the Hall of Fame. Her actions were not uncommon in a sleazy business, and if it brings into discussion what the pro wrestling scene was like before cable tv and sports entertainment, then I think it's important to leave her in there.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jan 10, 2014 13:05:59 GMT -5
I personally rather have her in the Hall of Fame. Her actions were not uncommon in a sleazy business, and if it brings into discussion what the pro wrestling scene was like before cable tv and sports entertainment, then I think it's important to leave her in there. I think it's sad that there's so much from back then that people keep trying to sweep under the carpet. Moolah was a monster, but she was far from the only one prowling around in those days. the wrestling industry, especially in the 70s and 80s is probably one of the sleaziest industries in all entertainment. Moolah and Snuka (if he is guilty) are probably not the only crooks in the HoF. they're just not as good as others at hiding it.
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