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Post by judodave on Jan 28, 2014 9:00:08 GMT -5
Angry Joe's posted his thoughts as well, he's taken it hard.
I was never a consistent watcher of his work but I enjoyed what I saw and it's said that this happened.
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Post by Fiddleford H. McGucket on Jan 28, 2014 19:33:17 GMT -5
I see it a tad differently. The impulse to make the move is sudden, but that attitude that leads to it has been in part cultivated by apathy or at least what the person perceives as such. You pretty much have to kill yourself to get people to actually feel you and then you don't even get a ticket to the show. If you truly want out, you just up and do it one day. If you sit on it, you're looking for something that you're not getting and it just twists and grows stronger until you eventually do. And folks that have these thoughts/urges aren't stupid. They get the difference between someone that doesn't give a f*** about them going "HEY BUDDY. YOU DOING OKAY TODAY? WE JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WOVE YOU" and a true friend going "Look, man, what's going on? What can I do?" That then proceeds to legitimately be there and tries to help right the ship as best they can. Not that it would 100% eliminate suicide, but I think the attention that gets paid to it is often patronizing. Not harping on you, but gonna point out a weird logical semi-error, or at the very least a point I need to possibly comment upon. Perception, you mention that the person perceives apathy, but that might not be the intent. Depression f***s with your perception. It destroys your sense of trust, because when your on brain is lying to you, telling you lies about yourself, and then mixing it with skewed truths that only you know.....you can't trust your own perception of even your own thoughts. Suicide seems....easy. And your depressed brain, it will lie to you and tell you that it will solve everything, and you want to believe that you can trust yourself, and worse yet..... Even if you know your brain is lying to you, you know that suicide will stop the lies inside your head. I GET that feeling.....I've HAD that feeling. Be there for, and be with your friends with Depression. Strike that. BE THERE. Be there entirely. Not just for your friends with depression, but ALL your friends, because a great many people with depression......YOU'LL NEVER KNOW. Just be there and listen. DO NOT JUDGE THEM. Suicidal thoughts and actions are not weakness. Depression is not weakness.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2014 20:15:20 GMT -5
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Post by lionheart21 on Jan 28, 2014 21:35:09 GMT -5
I’ve been trying to figure out why Justin kept his depression to himself, and this is just pure speculation, but I have a theory about it. Justin was the kind of man that lived to make people laugh and smile, and it’s possible that he may have believed that people wouldn’t feel that same joy if they knew how much pain his depression was causing him.
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Post by Wolfman Rose on Jan 28, 2014 21:38:58 GMT -5
I’ve been trying to figure out why Justin kept his depression to himself, and this is just pure speculation, but I have a theory about it. Justin was the kind of man that lived to make people laugh and smile, and it’s possible that he may have believed that people wouldn’t feel that same joy if they knew how much pain his depression was causing him. I would imagine that's plausible, having been in the same boat. It took me ages to admit even to myself that it could happen to someone as happy as me. Depression is a terrible thing.
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Post by Talent Name on Jan 28, 2014 22:32:23 GMT -5
I’ve been trying to figure out why Justin kept his depression to himself, and this is just pure speculation, but I have a theory about it. Justin was the kind of man that lived to make people laugh and smile, and it’s possible that he may have believed that people wouldn’t feel that same joy if they knew how much pain his depression was causing him. I have been in that boat and still am in that boat, I love to make people laugh and smile yet I am hurting on the inside and don't want people to see me being weak even though I know its not a weakness I still view like that. Like part of me views it as weakness, another part as people taking pity on me because I am feeling down I make up for that with jokes and wisecracks
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Post by Sparvid on Jan 29, 2014 7:15:36 GMT -5
I can't wait until the day mental illness actually gets the proper awareness it deserves. To repeat what someone posted earlier in the thread; I'm not trying to be an asshole here, and I am honestly wondering what can be changed exactly? I have no history of depression, and the same with pretty much everyone close to me, so I'm far from qualified about it. But doesn't doctors and suicide hotlines etc. already exist? And sadly it's like it's extremely uncommon with cases like this, where someone commits suicide and the people close to them never saw it coming in a million years. So how do you help someone with a problem when they actively hide the fact that said problem even exists in the first place?
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Post by Talent Name on Jan 29, 2014 21:01:01 GMT -5
I can't wait until the day mental illness actually gets the proper awareness it deserves. To repeat what someone posted earlier in the thread; I'm not trying to be an asshole here, and I am honestly wondering what can be changed exactly? I have no history of depression, and the same with pretty much everyone close to me, so I'm far from qualified about it. But doesn't doctors and suicide hotlines etc. already exist? And sadly it's like it's extremely uncommon with cases like this, where someone commits suicide and the people close to them never saw it coming in a million years. So how do you help someone with a problem when they actively hide the fact that said problem even exists in the first place? They do exist, but here is the problem with doctors. Psychiatrist cost up to 200 USD a session most don't take insurance and if you need meds good luck my anti depressants cost 60 USD a month and I take two different ones, my insurance covers those cost though. In regards to hotlines most people don't feel comfortable talking to a random stranger and they aren't as promoted outside of schools. Honestly most suicides aren't planned they are rash sudden decisions, that is a very common misconception that they are planned out and thought about a large percentage of them just happen. A lot of people don't want to talk about because there is a stigma still attached certain aspects of society still view people with a mental disorder as weak and can't cope.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Jan 29, 2014 21:27:20 GMT -5
I can't wait until the day mental illness actually gets the proper awareness it deserves. To repeat what someone posted earlier in the thread; I'm not trying to be an asshole here, and I am honestly wondering what can be changed exactly? I have no history of depression, and the same with pretty much everyone close to me, so I'm far from qualified about it. But doesn't doctors and suicide hotlines etc. already exist? And sadly it's like it's extremely uncommon with cases like this, where someone commits suicide and the people close to them never saw it coming in a million years. So how do you help someone with a problem when they actively hide the fact that said problem even exists in the first place? Main thing I can think of would be awareness campaigns because right now there's still a large amount of stigma surrounding mental illness. Many people dont recognize things like depression as a legitimate disease. Often if a person tells someone that they've got depression they'll be told "get over it" or "be a man" or "what do you have to be depressed about, your life is great!" ect ect ect. And depression isn't the only mental illness that has that kind of stigma surrounding it. So I think there needs to be an increased effort to educate people about how depression works. Because your average person does not really understand that depression and other mental illnesses are actual diseases that affect the way you think in real palpable ways. So they don't treat them seriously. Think about how stand up comics make jokes about how "we have pills for stupid stuff now, like 'being said'". That there is making light of depression. Which is a pretty serious problem considering the fact that depression literally kills. The rest of it is a little hard to define though... a lot of people with mental illnesses find that drugs and/or therapy don't really seem to be enough. I know plenty of people for whom drugs either do not help or make it worse, and who's specific form of mental illness make therapy counterproductive because they have too much trust issues or anxiety to share with a therapist. I have a close friend who's severe depression and anxiety is completely mismanaged because of a mother who would rather it not exist and just wants the problem "fixed" quickly, and who's therapists and psychiatrists don't understand the severity of the problems because trust issues cause her to not share her full experience, and for whom drugs are only helpful because they literally numb away her anxiety. I'm constantly in fear that one day she'll up and kill herself and I won't even know because she's an internet friend. And there's little I can do but be there for her, because the adults in her life are completely botching the whole process including the supposed "experts". For me personally? Therapy has been a big help and I don't feel I need medication at the moment, but there are plenty of people out there who find the existing programs... insufficient. So I just feel like there needs to be more research into these things. Social anxiety is a big one. I think there needs to be more programs that help people with social anxiety like... in the field in some way. Like in a... practical sense I suppose you could say.
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Post by Talent Name on Jan 29, 2014 22:24:54 GMT -5
To repeat what someone posted earlier in the thread; I'm not trying to be an asshole here, and I am honestly wondering what can be changed exactly? I have no history of depression, and the same with pretty much everyone close to me, so I'm far from qualified about it. But doesn't doctors and suicide hotlines etc. already exist? And sadly it's like it's extremely uncommon with cases like this, where someone commits suicide and the people close to them never saw it coming in a million years. So how do you help someone with a problem when they actively hide the fact that said problem even exists in the first place? Main thing I can think of would be awareness campaigns because right now there's still a large amount of stigma surrounding mental illness. Many people dont recognize things like depression as a legitimate disease. Often if a person tells someone that they've got depression they'll be told "get over it" or "be a man" or "what do you have to be depressed about, your life is great!" ect ect ect. And depression isn't the only mental illness that has that kind of stigma surrounding it. So I think there needs to be an increased effort to educate people about how depression works. Because your average person does not really understand that depression and other mental illnesses are actual diseases that affect the way you think in real palpable ways. So they don't treat them seriously. Think about how stand up comics make jokes about how "we have pills for stupid stuff now, like 'being said'". That there is making light of depression. Which is a pretty serious problem considering the fact that depression literally kills. The rest of it is a little hard to define though... a lot of people with mental illnesses find that drugs and/or therapy don't really seem to be enough. I know plenty of people for whom drugs either do not help or make it worse, and who's specific form of mental illness make therapy counterproductive because they have too much trust issues or anxiety to share with a therapist. I have a close friend who's severe depression and anxiety is completely mismanaged because of a mother who would rather it not exist and just wants the problem "fixed" quickly, and who's therapists and psychiatrists don't understand the severity of the problems because trust issues cause her to not share her full experience, and for whom drugs are only helpful because they literally numb away her anxiety. I'm constantly in fear that one day she'll up and kill herself and I won't even know because she's an internet friend. And there's little I can do but be there for her, because the adults in her life are completely botching the whole process including the supposed "experts". For me personally? Therapy has been a big help and I don't feel I need medication at the moment, but there are plenty of people out there who find the existing programs... insufficient. So I just feel like there needs to be more research into these things. Social anxiety is a big one. I think there needs to be more programs that help people with social anxiety like... in the field in some way. Like in a... practical sense I suppose you could say. Honestly I am the same as your friend, I see a therapist but I have trust issues because I have paranoid schizophrenia which leads to a lot of complications chiefly severe anxiety, and depression. I don't feel like my therapist understands it enough and I don't trust her enough to go further. Because of my history I am a high risk client yet they haven't let me see a shrink so I don't want to go back this happens with a few places because their is such backlog of patients. People that have schizophrenia and depression have the highest rate of suicide. I don't even tell my family what is going because they are in the boat of I'll get over it, its just a phase. If I have my meds though I am fine especially the xanex it numbs me to everything.
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Post by Ryushinku on Jan 30, 2014 5:08:17 GMT -5
Just to chip in - the Gofundme for Justin's family has closed now. The target was $850, but they ended up with $13,835.
It can only be a small help with the grief they must be dealing with, but I'm very glad it will be that small help.
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