The All Purpose Daniel Bryan Booking Thread

[mizerable]

If he doesn't win...it's because of the concussion, right?

[thelonewolf527]

Jan 26, 2014 14:23:59 GMT -5 metylerca said:

Jan 26, 2014 9:08:55 GMT -5 @lovehater said:

I understand why the thread was made, but I find it a bit over-reactionary(?) in itself. It's just a bunch of people who want a guy to win, and feel like logic dictates that he should. You're making it sound like a bunch of spoiled 8 year olds who are going to throw tantrums and start breaking things if it doesn't happen.

I think most realize it's just wrestling, and get passionate on here but not to a degree where "precautions" need to be taken. But, you guys are the mods, and most have been here longer than me so maybe you see something I don't.

About the spoiled 8 year olds line, it's happened here plenty of times. When Orton beat Christian for the WHC in 2011, this board was a war zone for people. Anything spoken positively of WWE was immediately derailed into a thread saying the company was terrible and they should feel bad for making a guy lose.

Then there were the countless attempts to get other posters to boycott the television show because... Jeremy Piven guest hosted or something.

In fact, when Bryan was fired in 2010 for Tiegate, this place almost went up in flames.

I fully expect people to behave immaturely if their favorite wrestler doesn't win a fixed match. I'm rooting for Bryan. Every year me and my cousins and family do a predictions based game, and this year I'm picking Bryan to win. Hopefully I do win, because I might walk away with a whopping 10 bucks. But that doesn't mean if he loses I'll proclaim my exiting from wrestling fandom (only to be here tomorrow) or it doesn't mean WWE is the worst thing in the history of the universe and it makes me shake while holding my Macbook in my lap.

Earlier, Meltzer mentioned he doesn't move the needle and while he's over with the live audiences and internet fans, he doesn't rise viewership, and in fact there's been a lot of occasions where he lowers it. The top 4 viewer getters are Cena, Hunner, Orton, and Punk. Batista also is on the list after Monday, when the no good, terrible wrestler who probably has cancer or something... his return caused 2 million people that normally do not watch RAW to tune in and catch a glimpse at him. I'm not saying it's the right thing to do to push this ratings draw above the guy the live audiences adore... but if he's bringing viewers in where a Daniel Bryan or John Cena or CM Punk isn't, then what's a company to do? Based on merch and ratings points, it's baffling to point out that Bryan doesn't draw like many would think he does. And that doesn't reflect his push, because if it did then people wouldn't react to him accordingly. It just so happens that those who love Bryan, LOVE Bryan. And those who don't find him appealing show it by tuning out and not buying his shirts and other merchandise.

That's only reporting the facts and in hearing it, my stomach did sink a little bit at the harsh reality that someone people unanimously seem to think is the next big thing doesn't represent a rise in interest before they even gave him the keys to the city. I do hope he wins tonight and I really wish if he doesn't, that the entire audience hijacks the show again and chants for him. Because to me, this booking philosophy WWE has is too flawed and with this WrestleMania coming up already being a huge draw and without a risk of disinterest, there should be no reason to take a chance with a fan favorite. They did it with Bret twenty years ago. They did it with Benoit ten years back. I think it's Bryan's time.

That being said, I reserve the right to laugh my ass off at overreactions tonight.

Go Bryan.

I was liking this post up until the part about hijacking the show. I don't think it's right to "hijack" a show because your favorite wrestler didn't win one specific match, especially when he's young and there are plenty of other matches for him to have. Then again, I don't think it's ever right to hijack a show

[Cesaro Smirk]

May I suggest this get renamed the "The All-Purpose Rumble 2014 Thread - When the Daniel Bryan Shit Hits the FAN" or something similar?

[ritt works hard fo da chickens]

I'm not going to say there aren't people who behave immaturely if their favorite doesn't go over but the real problem is the haters and baiters. They see someone who's passionate about something that they are not and feel some deep down need to mock them and rile them up. Look how many people are "reserving the right" to laugh about other peoples overblown emotional responses.

As for the Meltzer analysis I think though it may be true it is kind of an outdated metric. The television broadcast market is slowly dieing out. I am not saying it is going away. I am saying it's what the newspaper was by the time cable news appeared. I posted in another thread the googlefight numbers for stream searches.

www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Randy+orton+stream&word2=john+cena+stream

Cena clocks in a little less than twice what Orton does and that's to be expected. However,

www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Daniel+Bryan+stream&word2=john+cena+stream

Daniel Bryan is well over twice what Cena does. Which surprised the hell out of me and I have often believed DB was far more over than he's given credit for. Those streamers are who they need for the network to succeed. In any business you have the first buyers who are the ones willing to take a risk on something new and unproven and their impressions and reviews determine how well the rest of your roll out goes. Now remember these are people using google to find streams, not the guys who have bookmarked sites that put up proven and safe links, the people who pirate regularly. These are people willing to risk the virus infested wasteland of stream searching with just the help of google.

[thelonewolf527]

Jan 26, 2014 15:25:30 GMT -5 ritt works hard fo da chickens said:

I'm not going to say there aren't people who behave immaturely if their favorite doesn't go over but the real problem is the haters and baiters. They see someone who's passionate about something that they are not and feel some deep down need to mock them and rile them up. Look how many people are "reserving the right" to laugh about other peoples overblown emotional responses.

As for the Meltzer analysis I think though it may be true it is kind of an outdated metric. The television broadcast market is slowly dieing out. I am not saying it is going away. I am saying it's what the newspaper was by the time cable news appeared. I posted in another thread the googlefight numbers for stream searches.

www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Randy+orton+stream&word2=john+cena+stream

Cena clocks in a little less than twice what Orton does and that's to be expected. However,

www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Daniel+Bryan+stream&word2=john+cena+stream

Daniel Bryan is well over twice what Cena does. Which surprised the hell out of me and I have often believed DB was far more over than he's given credit for. Those streamers are who they need for the network to succeed. In any business you have the first buyers who are the ones willing to take a risk on something new and unproven and their impressions and reviews determine how well the rest of your roll out goes. Now remember these are people using google to find streams, not the guys who have bookmarked sites that put up proven and safe links, the people who pirate regularly. These are people willing to risk the virus infested wasteland of stream searching with just the help of google.

The "Google Fight" that you did does not constitute searches for "Daniel Bryan stream" and "John Cena stream" they constitute searches containing the words "Daniel, Bryan, and stream" and "John, Cena, and Stream." Naturally, Cena is a very uncommon word, while Daniel and Bryan are relatively common. When doing a Google Fight against "Daniel Bryan" and "John Cena" in quotations, Cena gets 3 times as many results.

Besides the fact that Daniel Bryan is more popular with people who probably know that streams exist (aka the internet) so even if your analysis was true, it wouldn't hold much value.

[ritt works hard fo da chickens]

Good catch. I changed the qualifiers to use name in quotes and + stream. Cena comes up twice what DB does and Orton is slightly ahead of DB which is closer to what I expected. Saying that analysis doesn't hold value though is kind of counter-intuitive when the big business venture they are building towards is streaming content on the internet. I'd say the guys who regularly stream don't use google though and those that do are the casuals who stream irregularly.

www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=%22Randy+Orton%22++%2B+Stream&word2=%22Daniel+Bryan%22++%2B+Stream

there used to be a better search comparison tool but all I can find is that french site and Google trends which is even shittier.

[HBL]

Still think that Bryan's definitely winning.

[thelonewolf527]

Jan 26, 2014 16:10:58 GMT -5 ritt works hard fo da chickens said:

Good catch. I changed the qualifiers to use name in quotes and + stream. Cena comes up twice what DB does and Orton is slightly ahead of DB which is closer to what I expected. Saying that analysis doesn't hold value though is kind of counter-intuitive when the big business venture they are building towards is streaming content on the internet. I'd say the guys who regularly stream don't use google though and those that do are the casuals who stream irregularly.

www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=%22Randy+Orton%22++%2B+Stream&word2=%22Daniel+Bryan%22++%2B+Stream

there used to be a better search comparison tool but all I can find is that french site and Google trends which is even shittier.

I was curious myself about one thing last night and decided to check it out.

Since WWEShop doesn't really have a good feature to sort by best selling items and stuff, I decided to see what superstars had the most items available. I figure that the more weird shit you have, the more merchandise you were moving. Here's the top 6:

1. John Cena - 91
2. CM Punk - 84
3. Randy Orton - 46
4. AJ - 37
5. Ryback - 37
6. Daniel Bryan - 33

It could mean nothing, but it is interesting to see just how much more Cena and Punk have than everyone else, as well as the high number for AJ

[ritt works hard fo da chickens]

That is very interesting. Does that also include the part timers and legends? Weird to think Ryback gets more gear than Trips or Taker.

[Lancers]

[Magic knows Black Lives Matter]

This place is gonna go nuts when Bryan, still suffering amnesia from his concussion, debuts as the Goatface Killah.

[mizerable]

I have to admit, that even though I'm not happy with WWE and do not in any way believe that they'll make the right decision and have Bryan win the Rumble, I'm still pretty stoked about the outcome either way. I called WWE to completely and totally drop the ball after Summerslam and they haven't proved me wrong yet. I wish they would prove me wrong, because that would be a nice change of pace from the years of disappointing me with the same programs and the same bland outcomes and the same shortcomings when it deals with people I believe that can make a difference. Despite ALL OF THAT....if WWE does indeed fail to make the right decision with Bryan winning the Rumble, it's going to at least provide the following things;

1. People are going to lose their mind and gripe about Bryan not winning.

2. The wishful thinkers are going to say it's not Wrestlemania yet, and that anything can still happen.

3. The backpedalers will make excuses as to why WWE changed their plan; concussion, ratings, etc.

4. The trolls are going to laugh.

5. I'm still not going to watch.

[StuntGranny®]

I like you people, so let me be the first to warn you by saying that I am going to bitch SO MUCH is Bryan doesn't win.

[Tom Turkey]

I don't we even had something like this at Money in the Bank 2011 for Punk vs. Cena.

[Deleted]

Daniel Bryan won't be in the Rumble, but the DAZZLER will

[BigJerichool222]

Jan 26, 2014 17:20:11 GMT -5 mizerable said:

The backpedalers will make excuses as to why WWE changed their plan; concussion, ratings, etc.

As if Daniel winning was EVER the plan in the first place.

[mizerable]

Jan 26, 2014 17:28:11 GMT -5 BigJerichool222 said:

Jan 26, 2014 17:20:11 GMT -5 mizerable said:

The backpedalers will make excuses as to why WWE changed their plan; concussion, ratings, etc.

As if Daniel winning was EVER the plan in the first place.

Oh, I agree. But I know how people will spin things to adjust to this notion of not wanting to admit they were wrong about the outcome, or how WWE never intended to give Bryan a Cinderella finish. It happened before when he first lost the title, people said he was still in the main event, then when he lost again, people argued that he can't be in the main event from now until Mania. This is just the steady process of how to deter any criticism of what WWE is doing.

[Deleted]

If he's not in, the board will explode.

If he's in and loses, the board will explode.

If he wins, the board will explode. No win situation.

[Bub (BLM)]

Jan 26, 2014 14:23:59 GMT -5 metylerca said:

Jan 26, 2014 9:08:55 GMT -5 @lovehater said:

I understand why the thread was made, but I find it a bit over-reactionary(?) in itself. It's just a bunch of people who want a guy to win, and feel like logic dictates that he should. You're making it sound like a bunch of spoiled 8 year olds who are going to throw tantrums and start breaking things if it doesn't happen.

I think most realize it's just wrestling, and get passionate on here but not to a degree where "precautions" need to be taken. But, you guys are the mods, and most have been here longer than me so maybe you see something I don't.

About the spoiled 8 year olds line, it's happened here plenty of times. When Orton beat Christian for the WHC in 2011, this board was a war zone for people. Anything spoken positively of WWE was immediately derailed into a thread saying the company was terrible and they should feel bad for making a guy lose.

Then there were the countless attempts to get other posters to boycott the television show because... Jeremy Piven guest hosted or something.

In fact, when Bryan was fired in 2010 for Tiegate, this place almost went up in flames.

I fully expect people to behave immaturely if their favorite wrestler doesn't win a fixed match. I'm rooting for Bryan. Every year me and my cousins and family do a predictions based game, and this year I'm picking Bryan to win. Hopefully I do win, because I might walk away with a whopping 10 bucks. But that doesn't mean if he loses I'll proclaim my exiting from wrestling fandom (only to be here tomorrow) or it doesn't mean WWE is the worst thing in the history of the universe and it makes me shake while holding my Macbook in my lap.

Earlier, Meltzer mentioned he doesn't move the needle and while he's over with the live audiences and internet fans, he doesn't rise viewership, and in fact there's been a lot of occasions where he lowers it. The top 4 viewer getters are Cena, Hunner, Orton, and Punk. Batista also is on the list after Monday, when the no good, terrible wrestler who probably has cancer or something... his return caused 2 million people that normally do not watch RAW to tune in and catch a glimpse at him. I'm not saying it's the right thing to do to push this ratings draw above the guy the live audiences adore... but if he's bringing viewers in where a Daniel Bryan or John Cena or CM Punk isn't, then what's a company to do? Based on merch and ratings points, it's baffling to point out that Bryan doesn't draw like many would think he does. And that doesn't reflect his push, because if it did then people wouldn't react to him accordingly. It just so happens that those who love Bryan, LOVE Bryan. And those who don't find him appealing show it by tuning out and not buying his shirts and other merchandise.

That's only reporting the facts and in hearing it, my stomach did sink a little bit at the harsh reality that someone people unanimously seem to think is the next big thing doesn't represent a rise in interest before they even gave him the keys to the city. I do hope he wins tonight and I really wish if he doesn't, that the entire audience hijacks the show again and chants for him. Because to me, this booking philosophy WWE has is too flawed and with this WrestleMania coming up already being a huge draw and without a risk of disinterest, there should be no reason to take a chance with a fan favorite. They did it with Bret twenty years ago. They did it with Benoit ten years back. I think it's Bryan's time.

That being said, I reserve the right to laugh my ass off at overreactions tonight.

Go Bryan.

"Over with the live audiences". As in, those people who buy the expensive ass tickets in every city... Who are you making more money from? The people in those buildings who bought the $40-$250 tickets and buy a ton of crap at the merchandise stands, or the people sitting at home watching for free on cable? All they're doing with talk like that is proving that they care more about advertisers than paying customers.

[metylerca]

Jan 26, 2014 17:41:11 GMT -5 Bub (BLM) said:

Jan 26, 2014 14:23:59 GMT -5 metylerca said:

About the spoiled 8 year olds line, it's happened here plenty of times. When Orton beat Christian for the WHC in 2011, this board was a war zone for people. Anything spoken positively of WWE was immediately derailed into a thread saying the company was terrible and they should feel bad for making a guy lose.

Then there were the countless attempts to get other posters to boycott the television show because... Jeremy Piven guest hosted or something.

In fact, when Bryan was fired in 2010 for Tiegate, this place almost went up in flames.

I fully expect people to behave immaturely if their favorite wrestler doesn't win a fixed match. I'm rooting for Bryan. Every year me and my cousins and family do a predictions based game, and this year I'm picking Bryan to win. Hopefully I do win, because I might walk away with a whopping 10 bucks. But that doesn't mean if he loses I'll proclaim my exiting from wrestling fandom (only to be here tomorrow) or it doesn't mean WWE is the worst thing in the history of the universe and it makes me shake while holding my Macbook in my lap.

Earlier, Meltzer mentioned he doesn't move the needle and while he's over with the live audiences and internet fans, he doesn't rise viewership, and in fact there's been a lot of occasions where he lowers it. The top 4 viewer getters are Cena, Hunner, Orton, and Punk. Batista also is on the list after Monday, when the no good, terrible wrestler who probably has cancer or something... his return caused 2 million people that normally do not watch RAW to tune in and catch a glimpse at him. I'm not saying it's the right thing to do to push this ratings draw above the guy the live audiences adore... but if he's bringing viewers in where a Daniel Bryan or John Cena or CM Punk isn't, then what's a company to do? Based on merch and ratings points, it's baffling to point out that Bryan doesn't draw like many would think he does. And that doesn't reflect his push, because if it did then people wouldn't react to him accordingly. It just so happens that those who love Bryan, LOVE Bryan. And those who don't find him appealing show it by tuning out and not buying his shirts and other merchandise.

That's only reporting the facts and in hearing it, my stomach did sink a little bit at the harsh reality that someone people unanimously seem to think is the next big thing doesn't represent a rise in interest before they even gave him the keys to the city. I do hope he wins tonight and I really wish if he doesn't, that the entire audience hijacks the show again and chants for him. Because to me, this booking philosophy WWE has is too flawed and with this WrestleMania coming up already being a huge draw and without a risk of disinterest, there should be no reason to take a chance with a fan favorite. They did it with Bret twenty years ago. They did it with Benoit ten years back. I think it's Bryan's time.

That being said, I reserve the right to laugh my ass off at overreactions tonight.

Go Bryan.

"Over with the live audiences". As in, those people who buy the expensive ass tickets in every city... Who are you making more money from? The people in those buildings who bought the $40-$250 tickets and buy a ton of crap at the merchandise stands, or the people sitting at home watching for free on cable? All they're doing with talk like that is proving that they care more about advertisers than paying customers.

They....do care more about advertisers than paying customers.