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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jan 29, 2014 13:33:00 GMT -5
I've got to say, to the people who really believe Punk is somehow justified in doing this, I really feel sorry for your employers if you really have the viewpoint that it's OK to just pick up and leave if you don't like how things are going at work. Granted, anyone is free to quit or resign their job at any time, but it's a little different when you're under a contractual agreement to the company to work for a certain period of time. And it's also different when you have tens of thousands of fans who have paid money to watch you perform, only to find out you aren't actually going to be there because you didn't feel like it anymore. dude, that's part of business. if someone can get a better deal from someone else or they don't need to put up with your bullshit for one reason or another, they will leave. and in this economy, it's perfectly fine for them to do so. your boss isn't some king who you have to hold loyalty to forever. I sided with Austin and thought even as a 14 year old that WWE was being needlessly petty about it, and I think the same here. if you run a business (a BUSINESS, not some fictitious family cult compound that the DIS BUSINESS faction cling to) one of the fundementals you have to expect is that your employees owe you nothing more than what you pay them for.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 13:33:32 GMT -5
Over/under on pages in the inevitable AJ thread when she drops the title to Eva Marie on Raw: 84
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Post by Boozeman on Jan 29, 2014 13:33:40 GMT -5
I've got to say, to the people who really believe Punk is somehow justified in doing this, I really feel sorry for your employers if you really have the viewpoint that it's OK to just pick up and leave if you don't like how things are going at work. Granted, anyone is free to quit or resign their job at any time, but it's a little different when you're under a contractual agreement to the company to work for a certain period of time. And it's also different when you have tens of thousands of fans who have paid money to watch you perform, only to find out you aren't actually going to be there because you didn't feel like it anymore. Yeah how dare he, after years of sacrificing his body and mind - admittedly whilst making a lot of money - for our entertainment, decide that he's had enough of working for a company whose decision making skills border on the insane, especially recently. Not to mention there could be other factors at play here like being unsure of how much he was going to get paid (I'm sure all of us in the real world would love to be unsure of what money was coming into our bank every month), being asked to work injured for long periods of time, be usurped at the biggest show of the year by someone you don't feel has worked half as hard as you have (imagine being pushed aside for a promotion you've worked all year for in favour of a guy who's only been there for a few weeks and who, you feel, is in no way superior to yourself). I'm sure we'd all love that, so we should definitely shit on Punk for making such a selfish decision. Oh please. Punk has been booked better than anyone in the WWE over the last two years. He has very, very little room to complain about anything in regard to his position in the company. If this is a case where he's being a baby and pouting because WWE won't let him do the last thing on his wrestling bucket list (main eventing Wrestlemania) then that's just sad. Yeah, working hurt sucks, but everyone in WWE does it. Yeah, working for a company that has its head up its ass sucks, but how many of us here have to go into a job we hate every day? That's kind of my whole point. Buying into this theory that it's OK to just quit and go home when things aren't going exactly your way is a joke. Guy had to stick it out a few more months and he could have been done forever. Instead he screws over the company and many, many fans by doing what he did. Shocks me that anyone would defend that.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jan 29, 2014 13:34:32 GMT -5
I've got to say, to the people who really believe Punk is somehow justified in doing this, I really feel sorry for your employers if you really have the viewpoint that it's OK to just pick up and leave if you don't like how things are going at work. Granted, anyone is free to quit or resign their job at any time, but it's a little different when you're under a contractual agreement to the company to work for a certain period of time. And it's also different when you have tens of thousands of fans who have paid money to watch you perform, only to find out you aren't actually going to be there because you didn't feel like it anymore. Have to disagree with this to an extent. Any person anywhere has the absolute right to leave a job should they feel it's not what they should be doing. I love my job, but the day comes that it doesn't benefit me in the ways I need it to, be that emotionally, financially or whatever, it's so long, guys. No one should feel they *have* to work at a specific place if they don't want to. He owes no one anything on that front. But it's one thing to lose passion with work and want to leave. It's another to just up and leave, no prior warning or notice, and leave people high and dry. I mean, yeah, it can be 100% justifiable to do a s***ty thing to someone, but it's still a s***ty thing to do in the first place.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jan 29, 2014 13:34:53 GMT -5
At least Edge had the decency to come out to the fans and say what was happening and even went on the UK tour to say goodbye. If Punk's concussed, injured or whatever, then fair enough, but it's surely not too much to ask for him to walk out to the ring and say "So look, I'm done because of this and that". Unless this is just the dumbest work ever, the fact is that Punk threw a hissy fit and walked out on the company without any notice. However you look at that it's a massive middle finger from Punk to the fans and it is something that simply hasn't happened before. If Punk wants to wrestle before July anywhere, WWE will sue him and rightly so. My point is simply that whether you think Punk is right to be annoyed or to walk out or not, the fact is that he's been unprofessional in how he's one about it. If it is enforced by health, then come out and admit it to fans - he would get his big final moment and no-one would think any less of him. If it's just because he's burned out or sick of the booking, then ask to be taken off house shows and say in advance that you want to leave at a set point and try to leave with a bit of dignity. Just walking out is the worst option. It's spiteful against a company that hasn't exactly been adverse to placing wrestlers on an everlasting s**tlist for less (Jarrett, Chyna, maybe Savage). I mean, if you were WWE and Punk came back in a year or so asking for his job back, would you take him back? The guy isn't Austin. With Bryan and the upcoming Roman Reigns megapush, Punk is completely superfluous to WWE. Unless Punk begs, and I don't get the impression he's the sort of man who would, he isn't going to appear again. I'm a giant Punk mark and feel no ill-will toward him going home. He worked hurt, gave me years of great matches and memories, and even worked the Rumble for an hour on sunday night. I respect that whatever reason he left is likely justified. He owes me nothing or anyone else. WWE is simply the platform I watch that features wrestlers I like. I'll be disappointed if he's done, but I won't blame him. I'll just assume, as it usually is, that WWE simply suggested something stupid or f***ed up. I'm not loyal to "WWE" as some sort of hivemind cult. I'm loyal to the wrestlers as people. I hope the guy finds whatever peace and rest he can. basically how I see it. if he's feeling worn out and knows the hard work he's putting in won't get him the thing he's working so hard for, it's fine for him to leave. and I also believe he will be back in some capacity some day, but he also doesn't come off to me as the kind of guy who'd overstay his welcome if/when he ever does come back.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jan 29, 2014 13:35:14 GMT -5
wwe has unfollowed CM Punk Did they block him on AIM as well? No, but you should have seen what they wrote about him on the bathroom wall. He's still being followed by Trips, Vince and Steph.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 13:35:49 GMT -5
For what it's worth, Punk's profile is still up on WWE.com and he's still in the Featured Superstars section. I figure that'll probably remain the case until his contract runs out, just in case they can get him back on board and because he has a ton of merch that needs sold off.
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Post by kidglov3s on Jan 29, 2014 13:35:53 GMT -5
I feel like the typical yknow 2 week notice etiquette goes out the window when your job involves you getting hit?
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Post by Crimson on Jan 29, 2014 13:37:11 GMT -5
Over/under on pages in the inevitable AJ thread when she drops the title to Eva Marie on Raw: 84 I'd say 40 before a Mod Lockdown.
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Post by Widow's Peak on Jan 29, 2014 13:39:26 GMT -5
Over/under on pages in the inevitable AJ thread when she drops the title to Eva Marie on Raw: 84 Honestly, I think AJ will be okay. The company loved her long before she hooked up with Punk and she does consistently good work. Unless she does something stupid like leaves with him or starts badmouthing the company, I'm sure she'll be fine.
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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Jan 29, 2014 13:39:40 GMT -5
Yeah how dare he, after years of sacrificing his body and mind - admittedly whilst making a lot of money - for our entertainment, decide that he's had enough of working for a company whose decision making skills border on the insane, especially recently. Not to mention there could be other factors at play here like being unsure of how much he was going to get paid (I'm sure all of us in the real world would love to be unsure of what money was coming into our bank every month), being asked to work injured for long periods of time, be usurped at the biggest show of the year by someone you don't feel has worked half as hard as you have (imagine being pushed aside for a promotion you've worked all year for in favour of a guy who's only been there for a few weeks and who, you feel, is in no way superior to yourself). I'm sure we'd all love that, so we should definitely shit on Punk for making such a selfish decision. Oh please. Punk has been booked better than anyone in the WWE over the last two years. He has very, very little room to complain about anything in regard to his position in the company. If this is a case where he's being a baby and pouting because WWE won't let him do the last thing on his wrestling bucket list (main eventing Wrestlemania) then that's just sad. Yeah, working hurt sucks, but everyone in WWE does it. Yeah, working for a company that has its head up its ass sucks, but how many of us here have to go into a job we hate every day? That's kind of my whole point. Buying into this theory that it's OK to just quit and go home when things aren't going exactly your way is a joke. Guy had to stick it out a few more months and he could have been done forever. Instead he screws over the company and many, many fans by doing what he did. Shocks me that anyone would defend that. So basically what you are saying is that if you were working injured, in a company you hate for their asinine booking decisions, where your talents have been wasted for the past year (winning matches does not qualify as having been booked well, not when you've been stuck in uninteresting, monotonous feuds) and you've been smart and saved enough money that you can retire to a life of relative luxury you wouldn't quit? If I had the money to quit a job I hate, I'd do it in a heartbeat. And don't trot out the "he owes the fans" line, he owes the fans nothing. He's given us an inordinate amount of entertainment for the 12+ years I've had the fortune to watch him.
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Post by lionheart21 on Jan 29, 2014 13:40:04 GMT -5
Over/under on pages in the inevitable AJ thread when she drops the title to Eva Marie on Raw: 84 I'd say 40 before a Mod Lockdown. I wouldn't even give it half that before a lock occurred.
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Post by Boozeman on Jan 29, 2014 13:40:08 GMT -5
I've got to say, to the people who really believe Punk is somehow justified in doing this, I really feel sorry for your employers if you really have the viewpoint that it's OK to just pick up and leave if you don't like how things are going at work. Granted, anyone is free to quit or resign their job at any time, but it's a little different when you're under a contractual agreement to the company to work for a certain period of time. And it's also different when you have tens of thousands of fans who have paid money to watch you perform, only to find out you aren't actually going to be there because you didn't feel like it anymore. dude, that's part of business. if someone can get a better deal from someone else or they don't need to put up with your bullshit for one reason or another, they will leave. and in this economy, it's perfectly fine for them to do so. your boss isn't some king who you have to hold loyalty to forever. I sided with Austin and thought even as a 14 year old that WWE was being needlessly petty about it, and I think the same here. if you run a business (a BUSINESS, not some fictitious family cult compound that the DIS BUSINESS faction cling to) one of the fundementals you have to expect is that your employees owe you nothing more than what you pay them for. I've got to say, to the people who really believe Punk is somehow justified in doing this, I really feel sorry for your employers if you really have the viewpoint that it's OK to just pick up and leave if you don't like how things are going at work. Granted, anyone is free to quit or resign their job at any time, but it's a little different when you're under a contractual agreement to the company to work for a certain period of time. And it's also different when you have tens of thousands of fans who have paid money to watch you perform, only to find out you aren't actually going to be there because you didn't feel like it anymore. Have to disagree with this to an extent. Any person anywhere has the absolute right to leave a job should they feel it's not what they should be doing. I love my job, but the day comes that it doesn't benefit me in the ways I need it to, be that emotionally, financially or whatever, it's so long, guys. No one should feel they *have* to work at a specific place if they don't want to. He owes no one anything on that front. Let's say I quit my 9-to-5 office job.. sure, it sucks for my company because they have to take the time to hire and train someone new. But if I quit, I'm likely not just going to show up one day and say "sure this, I'm out" - I'm going to probably give them two weeks notice to find a suitable replacement so I don't end up committing career suicide on myself. But essentially, when I quit - they stop paying me and I stop showing up. End of relationship. It's quite different, however, if you sign your name to a contract that guarantees you will work until a certain date. And based off this guarantee the company makes plans and business arrangements involving you until your contract is up. And tens of thousands of fans spend their money to watch you perform under the assumption that you will be there, based on that guarantee. Then one day you just decide, "I don't wanna do this anymore. Bye." ?? Sorry, that's BS.
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Post by Red Impact on Jan 29, 2014 13:41:01 GMT -5
I don't see a problem in him leaving, but I don't get the argument that the way he left wasn't bad. You're absolutely free to leave a job you don't like, but if you do it 10 minutes before you're scheduled to work with no prior warning, you're acting like a douche. If he's not satisfied, he's free to walk. Doing so without warning right before Raw is a jerk move, no matter how unsatisfied he is. Being injured is one thing, being unsatisfied is another.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 13:41:40 GMT -5
[Let's say I quit my 9-to-5 office job.. sure, it sucks for my company because they have to take the time to hire and train someone new. But if I quit, I'm likely not just going to show up one day and say "sure this, I'm out" - I'm going to probably give them two weeks notice to find a suitable replacement so I don't end up committing career suicide on myself. But essentially, when I quit - they stop paying me and I stop showing up. End of relationship. Are you a millionaire? Because Punk probably is.
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Post by Andy Martin on Jan 29, 2014 13:41:44 GMT -5
It's a Wednesday, and Punk is one of the top trending Twitter thingamabobs. That has to send some sort of message. That it's a slow news day?
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Post by Bootista on Jan 29, 2014 13:41:55 GMT -5
Yeah How dare a worn down, beaten up Punk want to stay off the road? He should keep working until he becomes like Edge. At least Edge had the decency to come out to the fans and say what was happening and even went on the UK tour to say goodbye. If Punk's concussed, injured or whatever, then fair enough, but it's surely not too much to ask for him to walk out to the ring and say "So look, I'm done because of this and that". Unless this is just the dumbest work ever, the fact is that Punk threw a hissy fit and walked out on the company without any notice. However you look at that it's a massive middle finger from Punk to the fans and it is something that simply hasn't happened before. If Punk wants to wrestle before July anywhere, WWE will sue him and rightly so. My point is simply that whether you think Punk is right to be annoyed or to walk out or not, the fact is that he's been unprofessional in how he's one about it. If it is enforced by health, then come out and admit it to fans - he would get his big final moment and no-one would think any less of him. If it's just because he's burned out or sick of the booking, then ask to be taken off house shows and say in advance that you want to leave at a set point and try to leave with a bit of dignity. Just walking out is the worst option. It's spiteful against a company that hasn't exactly been adverse to placing wrestlers on an everlasting s**tlist for less (Jarrett, Chyna, maybe Savage). I mean, if you were WWE and Punk came back in a year or so asking for his job back, would you take him back? The guy isn't Austin. With Bryan and the upcoming Roman Reigns megapush, Punk is completely superfluous to WWE. Unless Punk begs, and I don't get the impression he's the sort of man who would, he isn't going to appear again. I don't blame him for being Mad at WWE, As much as I love Batista, he doesn't need to be main eventing over Bryan. and Punk isn't Austin? Well Austin isn't Punk either so its a two way street. IMO Punk has every right to be annoyed and pissed at WWE Right now.
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Post by timomouse on Jan 29, 2014 13:42:41 GMT -5
At least Edge had the decency to come out to the fans and say what was happening and even went on the UK tour to say goodbye. If Punk's concussed, injured or whatever, then fair enough, but it's surely not too much to ask for him to walk out to the ring and say "So look, I'm done because of this and that". Unless this is just the dumbest work ever, the fact is that Punk threw a hissy fit and walked out on the company without any notice. However you look at that it's a massive middle finger from Punk to the fans and it is something that simply hasn't happened before. If Punk wants to wrestle before July anywhere, WWE will sue him and rightly so. My point is simply that whether you think Punk is right to be annoyed or to walk out or not, the fact is that he's been unprofessional in how he's one about it. If it is enforced by health, then come out and admit it to fans - he would get his big final moment and no-one would think any less of him. If it's just because he's burned out or sick of the booking, then ask to be taken off house shows and say in advance that you want to leave at a set point and try to leave with a bit of dignity. Just walking out is the worst option. It's spiteful against a company that hasn't exactly been adverse to placing wrestlers on an everlasting s**tlist for less (Jarrett, Chyna, maybe Savage). I mean, if you were WWE and Punk came back in a year or so asking for his job back, would you take him back? The guy isn't Austin. With Bryan and the upcoming Roman Reigns megapush, Punk is completely superfluous to WWE. Unless Punk begs, and I don't get the impression he's the sort of man who would, he isn't going to appear again. I'm a giant Punk mark and feel no ill-will toward him going home. He worked hurt, gave me years of great matches and memories, and even worked the Rumble for an hour on sunday night. I respect that whatever reason he left is likely justified. He owes me nothing or anyone else. WWE is simply the platform I watch that features wrestlers I like. I'll be disappointed if he's done, but I won't blame him. I'll just assume, as it usually is, that WWE simply suggested something stupid or f***ed up. I'm not loyal to "WWE" as some sort of hivemind cult. I'm loyal to the wrestlers as people. I hope the guy finds whatever peace and rest he can. He may owe us nothing, but that doesn't mean that saying goodbye isn't the right thing to do. As it stands, now he's just the guy who was a big part of the WWE for years but, as of Friday, he will not exist. That's the repercussion of his actions and that's a damned shame.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jan 29, 2014 13:43:32 GMT -5
I don't see a problem in him leaving, but I don't get the argument that the way he left wasn't bad. You're absolutely free to leave a job you don't like, but if you do it 10 minutes before you're scheduled to work with no prior warning, you're acting like a douche. If he's not satisfied, he's free to walk. Doing so without warning right before Raw is a jerk move, no matter how unsatisfied he is. Being injured is one thing, being unsatisfied is another. This. This here exactly.
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