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Post by Dave the Dave on Jan 29, 2014 13:59:09 GMT -5
To be fair if i was in a company where the boss best Buddies and favorites kept getting all opportunities and big things.I would probably quit too. Which is ironic, considering Punk's apparent justified reason for leaving is about him and his own buddies not getting all the opportunities and big things. Yeah but his buddies are in shape and didn't show up two weeks ago.
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Post by Error on Jan 29, 2014 14:00:21 GMT -5
WWE could probably go after him for breech of contract but I sincerely doubt they'd take an active deal to court and take the chance of a judge ripping their contracts to shreds. Especially since by the time they actually saw a courtroom his contract would've most likely already expired anyway rendering it pointless, plus when they went to court over Lesnar's contract it didn't work out in their favor. And if I remember right, the only thing that saved their ass in the Raven lawsuit was those three contracts having expired so long before the trial that they couldn't be used in court.
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Post by khali on Jan 29, 2014 14:00:56 GMT -5
I've known people and seen people just walk off a job. Sometimes the reasons were completely and totally 100% justified. Other times it was completely unprofessional. So to me judging whether or not Punk is a saint or sinner here when we have no real idea at all what happened is a little silly. The real answer might be in the middle of the two extremes anyway.
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Post by corndog on Jan 29, 2014 14:01:00 GMT -5
Thanks for the link, pretty interesting, especially considering when it took place. He does seem incredibly burnt out and talks about needing a break. I found his relationship with Vince interesting as well, and I find it hard to believe he didn't talk things out with him before leaving. I am willing to bet that if Vince felt he needed Punk to tie some loose ends before he took time off, he would do it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 14:01:04 GMT -5
To be fair if i was in a company where the boss best Buddies and favorites kept getting all opportunities and big things.I would probably quit too. Which is ironic, considering Punk's apparent justified reason for leaving is about him and his own buddies not getting all the opportunities and big things. That they worked hard to get. It's not like Punk or Bryan are a pair of jobbers on Superstars with egos that make them believe they should main event Mania.
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Jan 29, 2014 14:02:45 GMT -5
Personally, I can't begrudge Punk leaving (indeed, I applaud it), but he should maybe have at least offered to stick around a couple of weeks and get a proper write-out. Like, have him take the triple powerbomb and punt before getting fired or something, at least give his angle a payoff. Why? The only people that helps is the McMahons. The payoff you speak of would be forgotten within a week's TV by those of us who watch regularly. Its blatantly obvious that this company (Vince/HHH/Steph) have had their heads up their asses for YEARS now. The bland TV, the lack of new stars, the utterly ridiculous constant rehashing of angles, the list is endless. At this point, I want the shit to hit the fan and if Punk has to/wants to be the sacrificial lamb, so be it. The decision makers need a very real and heavy slap in the side of the head.
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Post by Boozeman on Jan 29, 2014 14:03:16 GMT -5
You're basically asking me to say "yes, it is OK to take your ball and go home when you're unhappy with work." That's kind of my whole point is that no, that is really not OK. It's childish and unprofessional. And you're wrong, he actually does owe the fans. He's contractually obligated to appear at shows until July and now he's not doing it. This guy is one of the top three most popular wrestlers in the company and there's going to be.. what, 80,000 fans at Wrestlemania? You don't think there's a good chunk of that crowd who spent all that money on tickets and travel arrangements primarily to see him? That's not even mentioning people going to upcoming RAW/Smackdowns/House Shows expecting to see him. Don't even try with the stuff about him being booked poorly. That's not going to get far with me. Guy just single handedly ran through the top heel entity in the company in The Shield, a group not even John Cena could stop. Yeah, he's really getting screwed over. He's been the most protected guy in the freaking company. So since you chose to completely ignore all my points I'm going to have to assume you wouldn't quit. That either makes you a saint or a glutton for punishment. Either way it's not something I could do so I'm not going to make myself a hypocrite for criticising Punk for something I'd have done myself. It sucks for the fans who won't get to see him, it does but he's given them his all for 12 years, he owes them nothing. The poorly booked stuff, John Cena has been poorly booked for the past half a decade and he is the most protected guy in the company. I doubt Punk would have objected to taking a few more losses if it had meant he was put in actually interesting storylines. Since 'Mania last year he has had ONE interesting feud and that was with Lesnar, and it only lasted a month. To me, that's sucky booking. What points did I ignore? I am telling you that quitting work because you don't like how things are going is wrong, childish and unprofessional. You trying to lay out the reasons that supposedly justify why he quit doesn't make me anymore likely to side with him. You're like... "No, no, you don't understand.. the reason he quit is because of uninteresting storylines!" as if that somehow justifies it. No, it doesn't. That's my whole point. The reasoning you're laying out to me basically amounts to "things aren't going Punk's way at work, so he's gonna quit." If you think that's OK, then you're the person I was referring to in the original post that started this discussion and I feel really sorry for whoever is employing you. As for your question of what I would do in that situation - of course I wouldn't quit. That doesn't make me a glutton for punishment, it just makes me someone who is fulfilling an obligation I signed my name to and not screwing over the countless people who are depending on me.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Jan 29, 2014 14:03:16 GMT -5
So if he took his ball home,what happened to his other one?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 14:03:32 GMT -5
It's not okay, but the mention in that post of 'career suicide' doesn't really ring true when you can live out the rest of your life without one and still be financially secure. For any of us schmoes, we'd have to find a new job pronto or we'd be out on the streets. It is douchey of him to do so, but if all goes wrong financially, he has only himself to blame. And the WWE would have him back anyway because they don't know any better (see Ric Flair). The career suicide thing was kind of to illustrate the point that you can't compare quitting a 9 to 5 job to quitting a job where you are contractually obligated to perform. I didn't mean Punk was committing career suicide. Fair point. Still, with either, you can leave whenever you want BUT you bear the responsibility of anything that happens afterwards, legal proceedings included.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 14:03:33 GMT -5
The theory of there even being any chance that Punk would get blackballed is the funniest thing that I've heard this week. Zero percent chance.
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Post by Andy Martin on Jan 29, 2014 14:04:10 GMT -5
So if he took his ball home,what happened to his other one? It's in AJ's purse.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 14:04:23 GMT -5
Meanwhile, a new CM Punk hat just went up on WWEShop...
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Post by king1836 on Jan 29, 2014 14:05:08 GMT -5
WWE is making me ANGRIER and ANGRIER.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Jan 29, 2014 14:05:22 GMT -5
So if he did QUIT so to speak, couldn't he get the pants sued off him and turn into a new Ultimate Warrior-like pariah? Does he want to induct Warrior so badly that he wanted to turn into him? It doesn't work like that. He would just make his downside guarantee while sitting at home with no extra monies coming in until July when his contract officially expired. He would not be able to compete anywhere else until then. And I suspect he won't anyway. I think he's burned out and is going to take the rest he wanted in 2011. You're really Overreaching with that. Yeah Punk is the stubborn type, But I don't see him getting blackballed from WWE, ROH, Or any other Indy fed. Except it happened with Low Ki, and if what Gabe posted before is true, Punk is not interested in the indies anymore, which leaves him very little options if he ends up burning this bridge. CM Punk has saved all his money and is probably sitting on about 10 million dollars. He doesn't exactly live excessively or live fast. He could feasibly live off of that money for the rest of his life. As for the blackballing. That is never going to happen with Punk. If there's money to be made, Vince will bring him back. Punk hasn't exactly handicapped the company or not shown up for an advertised event wherein it cost the company huge amounts of money like others. His creative direction has not even been publicly revealed to where he was seen as wrecking anything. It's not like he won the Rumble and ruined Mania by leaving. Most are ignorant to the proposed direction his character was taking with HHH. To most, they'll just wonder where he went.
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Post by JDviant on Jan 29, 2014 14:05:26 GMT -5
To be fair if i was in a company where the boss best Buddies and favorites kept getting all opportunities and big things.I would probably quit too. Is CM Punk one of those guys, because he's won Money in the Bank twice, is a two time heavyweight champion, and a two-time WWE champion, the second reign being for 434 days? I like Punk but he simply is not a guy that is constantly held back or anything.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 29, 2014 14:06:05 GMT -5
Which is ironic, considering Punk's apparent justified reason for leaving is about him and his own buddies not getting all the opportunities and big things. Yeah but his buddies are in shape and didn't show up two weeks ago. Basically yeh. Randy Orton has been THE champ forever.But that's okay ,it doesn't mean backstage politics.Orton has been a top heel for long and has been a long time with th company and is on great shape But suddenly,on the rumble and near wrestlemania suddenly Outlaws win the titles from nowhere for no reason, Batista shows up and gets to main event wrestlemania. meanwhile punk and his buddies that have been carrying the company get put behind.In his shoes i probably would do the same.If he did that of course,we still don't know everything.
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Post by playa on Jan 29, 2014 14:07:21 GMT -5
Forever this
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 14:07:28 GMT -5
You're basically asking me to say "yes, it is OK to take your ball and go home when you're unhappy with work." That's kind of my whole point is that no, that is really not OK. It's childish and unprofessional. And you're wrong, he actually does owe the fans. He's contractually obligated to appear at shows until July and now he's not doing it. This guy is one of the top three most popular wrestlers in the company and there's going to be.. what, 80,000 fans at Wrestlemania? You don't think there's a good chunk of that crowd who spent all that money on tickets and travel arrangements primarily to see him? That's not even mentioning people going to upcoming RAW/Smackdowns/House Shows expecting to see him. Don't even try with the stuff about him being booked poorly. That's not going to get far with me. Guy just single handedly ran through the top heel entity in the company in The Shield, a group not even John Cena could stop. Yeah, he's really getting screwed over. He's been the most protected guy in the freaking company. So since you chose to completely ignore all my points I'm going to have to assume you wouldn't quit. That either makes you a saint or a glutton for punishment. Either way it's not something I could do so I'm not going to make myself a hypocrite for criticising Punk for something I'd have done myself. It sucks for the fans who won't get to see him, it does but he's given them his all for 12 years, he owes them nothing. The poorly booked stuff, John Cena has been poorly booked for the past half a decade and he is the most protected guy in the company. I doubt Punk would have objected to taking a few more losses if it had meant he was put in actually interesting storylines. Since 'Mania last year he has had ONE interesting feud and that was with Lesnar, and it only lasted a month. To me, that's sucky booking. I'm a big fan of Punk, and I get the ideology behind him leaving and actually agree with it (if reports are true) but in any other job leaving like that is poor practice. We don't know the details so maybe it was a more mutual split than we know, but on the surface the way he left is unprofessional. I agree that he doesn't owe us fans anything, but he does quite literally owe the company several months by way of a contract. You can agree with him philosophically with leaving them high and dry while still understanding that it's not entirely ethical. I personally feel that if an artist feels burned out and unmotivated to produce at an acceptable level, especially when the art form involves taking the lives of others in your hands he should walk away but more gracefully than this. At one point this was a dream job and he had to scrape and claw to get the respect he deserves, and to an extent still doesn't have it obviously, but he did far better than most and his empire exists because of them. So I don't think a more amicable split is that out of the question.
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Post by Sumbody Gon' Get Dey Kneelift on Jan 29, 2014 14:07:37 GMT -5
WHERE ARE WE GETTING THIS INFORMATION?
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Post by Dub H on Jan 29, 2014 14:07:41 GMT -5
To be fair if i was in a company where the boss best Buddies and favorites kept getting all opportunities and big things.I would probably quit too. Is CM Punk one of those guys, because he's won Money in the Bank twice, is a two time heavyweight champion, and a two-time WWE champion, the second reign being for 434 days? I like Pink but he simply is not a guy that is constantly held back or anything. I would not say it's all and only about Punk.And yeh,i'm not saing Punk is always held back,but the current situation is very bullshit It probably involves more of a certain popular goat.
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